Post AVOTID4h88gP5EIAj2 by dmitri@social.coop
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(DIR) Post #AVO9zfECKoGHlgBEwK by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-05-06T20:00:12.668552Z
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@dmitri>paying instance admins, reviving the W3C Social Web Incubation Community Group for standards work, building bridges- Paying instance admins means supporting bigger instances.- Standards work is done here: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep, but you're creating a competing group.- A bridge to a tiny centralized social network you've been talking about will mostly benefit those who invested in it.How is this helping Fediverse?
(DIR) Post #AVOGnKcvnol84xodY8 by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T20:18:33Z
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@silverpill All good points.> Paying instance admins means supporting bigger instances::shrugs:: One, instance size doesn't really mean anything. And two - hey, if social.coop wants to provide hosting and moderation for me, why wouldn't I want to pay for their labor?
(DIR) Post #AVOGnLFZU9fS0ntUmG by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T20:19:09Z
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@silverpill > Standards work is done here: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep, but you're creating a competing groupSWICG is not a competing group :) It's the continuation of the original WG that created ActivityPub, etc. Also, I'm a HUGE fan of the FEP community (and of your work there, too), and I hope to work with them closely. There's room for both communities without conflict.
(DIR) Post #AVOGnLvOyd806XStyi by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-05-06T21:16:53.177228Z
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@dmitri Actually, FEP process is a continuation. SWICG disbanded and mailing list was dead until someone re-activated it several months ago.So, how do you think this new working group can help the SocialHub/FEP community?
(DIR) Post #AVOGnPjqnWGTvs5jWq by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T20:23:02Z
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@silverpill > A bridge to a tiny centralized social network you've been talking about will mostly benefit those who invested in it.Heh, I should have been more specific -- I generally try to build bridges between standards communities, and teams of developers. I'm not actually involved in building the Bluesky bridge.
(DIR) Post #AVOTICBkQQjMKoaI52 by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T22:12:51Z
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@silverpill Make sense, ok. (That someone was me, @rhiaro and @bengo, incidentally.)Ok, so what can a W3C CG offer to the FEP community? Off the top of my head: 1) Regular voice calls for any sort of topics that require higher bandwidth communication.2) Visibility to, and liaising with, the larger W3C community. Basically this means: easier to start a Working Group when time comes, and we represent the SocialWeb/FEP community to other CGs/WGs.
(DIR) Post #AVOTID4h88gP5EIAj2 by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T22:14:50Z
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@silverpill 3) (and here, we get into the whole topic of - so why do anything in a standards group like W3C rather than outside of it) IP protection. Basically, W3C exists to protect standards from patent trolls. Which hasn't been an issue so far for FEP, but becomes more important as the Fediverse gains more mainstream visibility and adoption.
(DIR) Post #AVOTIDcj5buAmmDLlo by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T22:19:17Z
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@silverpill Like, I'm not saying the FEP community NEEDS the W3C CG. But surely, more hands and eyes and voices on some of the Fediverse spec problems, might help?
(DIR) Post #AVOTIEDwrDgAeDd4mu by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-05-06T23:36:26.495768Z
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@dmitri I'm not sure about that. People have been talking about problems for years, and SocialHub has a huge archive of these discussions.With FEPs we are finally getting some results. New proposals come almost every week now. These proposals are well-thought-out, sometimes informed by implementations, and they really help move discussion forward.The fragmentation of online spaces doesn't help at all.
(DIR) Post #AVOXsYJo1Wc7D9wfIW by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-06T23:52:05Z
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@silverpill Are you saying the FEP community would not want to work with the community group? Like, we can still orient around the FEP repo, and also provide additional infrastructure / calls, etc..
(DIR) Post #AVOXsYuJplox2P1pD6 by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-05-07T00:27:56.135340Z
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@dmitri Hard to tell. I think having two parallel standards processes is challenging and many would prefer to have all discussions in one place.>we can still orient around the FEP repo, and also provide additional infrastructure / calls, etc..Yes, this might be a good idea.
(DIR) Post #AVOd9G75SkCVRVmWi8 by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-07T00:47:37Z
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@silverpill Would you be interested in attending the first SWICG call?
(DIR) Post #AVOd9GgXKwYbDSMpxw by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-05-07T01:27:06.167995Z
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@dmitri No, thanks. I don't want to participate in SWICG. I'm just saying that supporting community is a good idea.