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(DIR) Post #AVNzU7E7hXbbnRSmS8 by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-05-06T16:41:15Z
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Lots of good discussion on #BlueSky and #Fediverse going on. These four questions dominate my thinking:1. Can the ATProtocol really scale and federate? This is a very open question.2. Can BlueSky's ATProtocol moderation work at scale? Or even NOT at scale? Blurry still.3. Can the #Fediverse and #Mastodon improve its UX and UI experiences faster than the these first two things occur?Lastly:4. How quickly do robust Fediverse/ATProtocol bridges emerge?cc: @activitypubblueskybridge
(DIR) Post #AVNzU7nvYQFHaUDNGC by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-05-06T18:05:09.608Z
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@tchambers@indieweb.social 1. They probably don't want it to.2. I keep seeing people bring this up and I have no idea what they're talking about or what they mean.3. Yes, there are plenty of instance softwares with fantastic UX and UI.4. OH GOD PLEASE NO@activitypubblueskybridge@venera.social
(DIR) Post #AVO4D6jOn2wr6inkdU by Bigou@framapiaf.org
2023-05-06T18:07:19Z
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@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge Please, stop speaking of the #Fediverse like it was only #Mastodon. Even if you limit yourself to #microblogging, the Fediverse is larger than that! If you don't believe me, go take a look at #Misskey & it's fork #Calckey, #Plemora or even one of the numerous #forks of Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AVP4NtXGO04mWcEFJw by scottjenson@social.coop
2023-05-06T17:29:40Z
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@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge *Is* there any discussion happening (in the open) around the UX of Mastodon? I jumped right in last October but quickly pulled back as all of the real work/prioritization was happening in house.
(DIR) Post #AVP4NuKtPTm70XRsg4 by dominick@indieweb.social
2023-05-07T00:58:36Z
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@scottjenson @tchambers I've seen open discussion around UX, but it's fraught because:1. The Mastodon team has limited dev resources and is spending most of them on improvements to security and scalability (which are arguably a higher priority).2. Because of (1), people feel bad criticizing the UXThe cool think about Masto, however, is that it's openness allows other teams (e.g. Elk.zone, Phanpy.social) to build their own compatible UI layer on top of Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AVP4Nv62aBUNMlVXAO by dominick@indieweb.social
2023-05-07T01:05:10Z
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@scottjenson @tchambers I'm using Phanpy right now, which solves a ton of UX issues (e.g. making it clear who is replying to whom in a thread), but I really like the approach Elk takes to spacing, typography, lists, and account previews. It would be great if the Mastodon team took some cues from either of these projects, but I'm happy to continue using them as my primary way of accessing Mastodon in the meantime.
(DIR) Post #AVP4NvgYOQhDC0ah4y by scottjenson@social.coop
2023-05-07T01:40:45Z
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@dominick @tchambers I see your point but I'd put it a little differently: Forking shows what's possible but it's a very slow road back to main line. The critical point here is that the UX issues we're talking about here: better onboarding, stronger DM model, search, quote tweets are all things that benefit most from being across ALL servers.The 'just fork it' approach focuses on the easy and optional window dressing that is far less important.
(DIR) Post #AVP4NwG0Gd3IxxB0Km by FinchHaven@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-07T02:13:56Z
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@scottjenson @dominick @tchambers I almost don't want to enter into this, but fools rush in"Forking shows what's possible but it's a very slow road back..."and"The 'just fork it' approach focuses on the easy and optional window dressing that is far less important"You seem to be using "forking" in a very different way from what I've read over the years"Forking" to me means the core source code - the Linux kernel, as oneYou seem to be talking about UI eye candyWhat am I missing?
(DIR) Post #AVP4NwzjWbdFFmZWc4 by FinchHaven@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-07T02:17:22Z
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@scottjenson @dominick @tchambers "You seem to be talking about UI eye candy"Then, if this *is* the case, doesn't the real problem lie with the proliferation of "apps" -- each of which seems to want to carve out its own place in the market by being just a little "different" and offering its own feature setSo the issue is Mastodon apps, of which I count 29, here:https://joinmastodon.org/appsNot the Mastodon source codeOr, again, what am I missing?
(DIR) Post #AVP4NxYTRRQAzWpGlM by scottjenson@social.coop
2023-05-07T02:33:24Z
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@FinchHaven @dominick @tchambers You're correct there are two sides of the coin: server and app. I'm not talking about Ivory (yet another app) but server forks like Calckey (an actual fork of mastodon. There are many others.An app can only do so much, it must work with the API of the server. Calckey and others are actually changing the API so new types of clients can be created.
(DIR) Post #AVP4NyCt1BkP0rjXkm by kainoa@calckey.social
2023-05-07T05:11:35.630Z
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@scottjenson@social.coop @FinchHaven@mastodon.sdf.org @dominick@indieweb.social @tchambers@indieweb.social Calckey is NOT a fork of Mastodon, it's a fork of Misskey. There's no code shared with Mastodon at all.