Post AVMDYbRMJvFNhblgm0 by patrascan@ohai.social
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(DIR) Post #AVMB7lLfArtchlB5Vo by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:06:00Z
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People who often do the most dangerous, dirty or wrecking jobs are getting paid crap while CEO's who actually don't do much earn millionsIt's absurd and wrong that CEO's make millions, they do not deserve this in any way"Yes but they have build up the company" you might say..But guess who did the building for them, the people who earn crap.
(DIR) Post #AVMBK5Y9tJqYpktr3g by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2023-05-05T21:08:25Z
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@stux wait, CEO *do* have the most dangerous, dirty and wrecking jobs: they are destroying the planet!
(DIR) Post #AVMBq9zstNG9tRA4HI by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:14:00Z
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I do have a feeling that things are changing a bitCorrect me if im wrong but the past years in the Netherlands I've seen younger people taking less and less crap from employersI grew up with: "you need to get a full time job and work at least 40-50 hours per week and maybe you get a few weeks vacation per year"But i soon discovered that it's bs and we can chose for ourselfsI've done soo much jobs that almost killed me for shit pay but i refuse it now and chose what i love and am good at
(DIR) Post #AVMBvHTcViOwXSVn8a by moliver@pleistocene.social
2023-05-05T21:15:02Z
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@stux They stand on piles of bodies and say, "Look how tall I am!"
(DIR) Post #AVMBw23hJuan0fkFl2 by Grootinside@social.dev-wiki.de
2023-05-05T21:15:10Z
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@stux AOC is right, "No one ever makes a billion dollars. You take a billion dollars...You sat on a couch while thousands of people were paid modern-day slave wages."š”
(DIR) Post #AVMC6LYzemJCOmIlkm by marlin@haminoa.net
2023-05-05T21:16:07Z
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@stux What's even worse than CEOs are shareholders. They often do absolutely nothing exept for having some money invested, yet they benefit from profit distribution.
(DIR) Post #AVMC8selaXDHc9D636 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:17:20Z
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@elin I dont know š® i made quite a fuzzz about it haha
(DIR) Post #AVMCAPC06beOoRTxtw by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:17:44Z
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@marlin Exactly..
(DIR) Post #AVMCCfXoHUHW6clMKe by loehwe@social.tchncs.de
2023-05-05T21:18:10Z
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@stux the whole system of money as compensation / apprecciation for work is totally fucked up, because it only values if you can make more money for shareholders or owners of a company, while really important and / or life saving work is paid like crap :/
(DIR) Post #AVMCIcUiX83qNt9bF2 by marcibadwolf303@mastodon.world
2023-05-05T21:19:16Z
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@stux If a business makes $40 bn a year that has 7000 employees, an equal division would be $5.71 mn per year. Obviously, thereās overhead & expenses to be added into that equation but when you consider many huge corporations in #usa pay no tax, pay less than $20 an hour to most employees, no benefits & huge CEO bonuses ā¦ā¦ #capitalism #inequity #socialism #workersrights
(DIR) Post #AVMCM6Kw2MZzo6Epyy by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:19:48Z
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@wttw I'm glad!Hopefully things will shift a bit more, the fair way
(DIR) Post #AVMCT7FJ3TXwebwz6O by peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv
2023-05-05T21:21:07Z
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@stux it is not about who builds it, but who owns means. It always have been a problem - before capitalism, it was called differently, but same thing.People who hoard resources always will come at defense of this system. They can't think otherwise, their minds are set differently and not easily changed.
(DIR) Post #AVMCTEqmmWgaEsXVzc by marcibadwolf303@mastodon.world
2023-05-05T21:21:10Z
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@stux If a business makes $40 bn a year that has 7000 employees, an equal division would be $5.71 mn per employee per year. Obviously, thereās overhead & expenses to be added into that equation but when you consider many huge corporations in #usa pay no tax, pay less than $20 an hour to most employees, no benefits & huge CEO bonuses ā¦ā¦ #capitalism #inequity #socialism #workersrights
(DIR) Post #AVMCTypdp76QqeMFay by wttw@electroverse.tech
2023-05-05T21:21:16Z
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@stux not sure though. There are other developments making this change obsolete
(DIR) Post #AVMCZHcZOR8IZNlxOi by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:22:15Z
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@wttw there are maaany fields shifting at this moment in timeit's gonna be a lot of change within a short amount of time i guess
(DIR) Post #AVMCyuuaRshVfPQHaa by tahoegirl@sfba.social
2023-05-05T21:26:54Z
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@stux itās kind of what I think of bootstrap Republicans., they strap on boots to walk on the backs of others. š„¾
(DIR) Post #AVMDD7NkseugOhq0EC by elisse@mas.to
2023-05-05T21:29:30Z
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@stux All I can say is we now know our rights and have a work life balance thankfully. Our strong laws help a lot.
(DIR) Post #AVMDEWlryEtdQgmzOS by searchparty@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:29:46Z
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@stux I think I heard that when GenY was first going out into the workforce, too. A couple of years later it was all about āhustle cultureā and āgirl bossā stuff. But with the boomers retiring, maybe GenZ is in a better position to negotiate.
(DIR) Post #AVMDYbRMJvFNhblgm0 by patrascan@ohai.social
2023-05-05T21:32:58Z
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@stux I wonder if this might boil down to simple supply and demand in the labor market. When worker supply is plentiful (with a large underlying demographic such as USA Boomers), there are always some workers who will obey employers just to keep jobs. Employers exploit this and therefore call the shots, so to speak. When worker supply shrinks, then labor can take the upper hand. I am not an economist but I have observed supply and demand as a strong factor.
(DIR) Post #AVMDdp1LFwx1Gk5UCe by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T21:34:18Z
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@stux if you wanted good pay, longer vacation periods and a good retirement check you had to be a boomer or at least a gen x like me. the good retirement check for me is a mirage though since I left work years ago and I have no intention to start again. as I told you once the pay was fair, >5 paid vacation weeks per year and severance when I left.
(DIR) Post #AVMDnBZQmmqRoQUtrU by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:35:55Z
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@ranx haha i know..thats on me! :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AVMDrejyH4rfRKYjFQ by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T21:36:47Z
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@patrascan oh trust me.. we notice it in almost every sector these daysPeople wanted everywhere haha!
(DIR) Post #AVMEIwM2tT5Dt6NVrc by patrascan@ohai.social
2023-05-05T21:41:43Z
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@stux Ebb and flow of immigration (legal and not legal) adds volatility to the size of the workforce and, oh boy, what a hot potato that is!
(DIR) Post #AVMGKJOGvqRdWwCXzs by MrLee@aus.social
2023-05-05T22:04:24Z
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@stux Join a Union, or start a Union
(DIR) Post #AVMTTfDsQbF9Fi83Ae by PJ_Evans@mastodon.social
2023-05-06T00:31:45Z
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@stux Many of them didn't even do that - they were hired from outside by the board of directors, most of whom never worked at the company either.
(DIR) Post #AVMUy88Rb4LVZ2gA8u by Imcrees@mas.to
2023-05-06T00:48:28Z
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@stux okay gonna be the discordant mf here. CEOs ARE needed. They are an essential part of the leadership in a company, and the supposed piece that abstracts and connects all layers, inside and outside, to be able to develop the best business strategies possible. They also hold the ultimate responsibility within the group when there are mistakes.
(DIR) Post #AVMV6cS8lCdnuRwJs0 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-06T00:49:59Z
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@Imcrees They are needed for sure! But they do not need to earn millions :ablobwink:
(DIR) Post #AVMaWg9S8C4ygFRbVI by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-05-06T01:50:36Z
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@stux people would have less trouble with CEOs earning millions when the company was successful, if they got zero or even fined when the company fails.Right now a corporation is like a passenger ship with lifeboats for the captain and officers, but not for the crew or passengers. And the officers all get a bonus if they ship arrives early.If they wreck, the officers abandon ship with their money and everyone else sinks. That's what makes people angry about CEOs.
(DIR) Post #AVMayrhYmWOmbvq0i8 by BootyLasher@ohai.social
2023-05-06T01:55:47Z
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@stux under capitalism we are paid not based on the value we contribute or the unpleasantness of our labor, but rather based on our negotiating power versus our employer's. With stagnant wages and the housing crisis holding a homelessness shaped gun to all of our heads it's really only a matter of time before we're all at the bottom.The capitalists are going to kill us if we let them.
(DIR) Post #AVMciCOAoUAxkywzwG by m3t00@mstdn.party
2023-05-06T02:15:14Z
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@stux depends on the industry but workers tend to try a little harder if they get bonuses
(DIR) Post #AVMsH24geUaNDPu6fA by MITFlunkie@toot.community
2023-05-06T05:09:29Z
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@stux If we set the maximum marginal rate for earnings over $10M to 99%, I guarantee employers will give those earnings back as increased wages for employees and savings for customers (rather than give it to the government in taxes). Also, every business should have a built-in profit sharing model.
(DIR) Post #AVMwKiyY0GtOxK336u by kraken@thecanadian.social
2023-05-06T05:55:01Z
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@stux What the CEOs don't seem to realize is that without customers, they're without a company. Alienate enough of them and that's what happens.
(DIR) Post #AVN69CMhuGkkAmUWoK by The_GNU_Ninja@mstdn.social
2023-05-06T07:45:03Z
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@stux That's why trade unions are important. Collective bargaining š
(DIR) Post #AVND0rexhlQRJn0Fkm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-06T09:01:59Z
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@stux lolol "CEOs who actually dont do much"... This is so out of touch with reality.Dont get me wrong the argument that people who do dirty work are underpaid is fine, and i have a lot of respect for those workers. But if you think a CEO, the person who created the company and rests on their decision making shoulders to keep it alive, doesnt do much then you are very VERY disconnected with the reality here.I dont think I ever met a CEO who didnt work more hours than anyone else in the company, take more risk (financial and other kinds), or have to deal with more stress, than a CEO of a succeeding company...All that, even if you do everything perfect as a CEO, its still a gamble if your company succeeds, and since your usually also the owner that means its likel climbing mount everest just to put all your money into a slot machine.
(DIR) Post #AVOCVgwHhy3QFYCX6e by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-06T20:31:04Z
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@stux *nodds in agreement*Noone can tell me that their contribution is proportional to the success of the company - because that's impossible for them.They cannot make >100x the average workers' revenue because they cannot work 800+ hrs a day.
(DIR) Post #AVOdgruNxiJiDbroFE by Susan60@aus.social
2023-05-07T01:35:36Z
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@stux many CEOs are workaholics, pathologically so, which is why they have so little empathy for those wanting shorter working hours & a better work life balance. This makes them better at amassing huge shareholder profits, which is the primary purpose of any large company. Greed is the problem.