Post AVLiYajrpbIIwowKsC by chiasm@venera.social
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 (DIR) Post #AVLfPExZ8VVsvsCFeq by onan@dobbs.town
       2023-05-05T15:10:41Z
       
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       Karl Popper said philosophy earned its bad reputation, but he held out hope for philosophy that addressed itself to human problems. "What time is it on the sun" is the sort of philosophical question that he said made philosophy shameful. How error can be reduced, the utility and cost of tolerance, why tradition has value, those were things he thought philosophy might be okay at.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLg5Z7uXwvJdpDZ5M by mkb@mastodon.social
       2023-05-05T15:18:20Z
       
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       @onan Huh. Two of the three I’d have said were problems for other fields, not philosophy. Maybe I need to read me some Popper.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLiYajrpbIIwowKsC by chiasm@venera.social
       2023-05-05T15:25:50Z
       
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       Huh. I thought questions like "what time is it on the sun" is what makes philosophy playful, while introducing people to the idea that concepts like "what time is it" are not as clear cut as they think they are.  Delving into what it means to ask what time it is in another framework leads to understanding different perspectives and how to disentangle these ideas. Why tradition has value or evaluating the cost of tolerance is a much more threatening application of the same approach.  (But I'm not a philosopher.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLiYbOzMiBh0MBAy8 by onan@dobbs.town
       2023-05-05T15:45:58Z
       
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       @chiasm The playful side of philosophy which you speak of and which we both like, that's not what Popper was talking about. He was talking about questions that don't lead to playful or practical ends, but which are intended to make those who aren't professional philosophers or academics feel excluded. "Oh, you don't know this specialized vocabulary, and you're not interested in this highly obscure topic? Well... "The very opposite of playfulness.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLipQcAj3SuTHMvp2 by onan@dobbs.town
       2023-05-05T15:49:01Z
       
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       @mkb Oh, goodness yes, read Popper. "In Search of a Better World" and "All of Life is Problem Solving" are relatively more accessible. "Conjectures & Refutations" and "The Open Society & Its Enemies" are mountains to climb with fantastic views.He writes in a particular style that was difficult for me at first. Then I realized his books are largely transcribed lectures, and if I imagined the text being spoken aloud it all made more sense.Popper in a nutshell: we can learn from our mistakes.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLnDyLnLcrRrrfSKG by PereUbu@dobbs.town
       2023-05-05T16:38:17Z
       
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       @onan What time is it on the Sun?Obviously eight minutes later than it is on Earth.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLx39Y6N3NsxIu5ey by Twisted666@dobbs.town
       2023-05-05T18:28:23Z
       
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       @onan I find to live in the other-realm of perception - without philosophy - like some scholar studying Nietzsche not realizing Nietzsche should be felt with one's spirit/heart not learntLiving by art or music, activity - might seem shallow, but according to me shallow is betterLike Jim Morrison said:I am interested activity that seems to have no meaning. It seems to me to be the road toward freedom.And:Rather than starting inside, I start outside—reach the mental through the physical”