Post AVLDHMDnSJtGQBF1V2 by NiklasMM@freiburg.social
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(DIR) Post #AVL68wRshAjMUarxDM by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-05T08:35:39Z
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Here's a #poll 🗳️ about #cycling 🚴 in an #urban environment.❓ Do you recommend wearing a helmet / protective head gear when cycling around the city?
(DIR) Post #AVL6Euyz3j3bgPCcBE by athairbirb@mstdn.social
2023-05-05T08:36:39Z
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@matt yes, only because a fall from a bike can be deadly and there're many helmets that are both small, nicely designed and functional nowadays
(DIR) Post #AVL6mC78NyNKN5skng by spinningarrow@mstdn.io
2023-05-05T08:42:30Z
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@matt where’s the option for ‘I recommend it but I don’t do it’? 😅
(DIR) Post #AVL89c7bxJXzeCpuoS by art@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-05T08:58:11Z
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@matt I avoid being where cars are. Cars are the biggest factor for me.
(DIR) Post #AVL9JRVgMfhFaNLW40 by walfischbucht@masto.ai
2023-05-05T09:11:06Z
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@matt Definitely. Friend of mine was nearly killed in an accident involving a car but for the helmet she wore decades ago. Have been wearing one ever since and got the boys to do the same.
(DIR) Post #AVLAu0axUpxymNoWCu by morph@morph.todon.de
2023-05-05T09:28:57Z
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@matt Recommend but don't do it. 🙄
(DIR) Post #AVLB4gT2feyzXXCXmC by raucao@kosmos.social
2023-05-05T09:30:54Z
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@matt1. The available evidence does not support the hypothesis that helmets significantly increase the safety of (non-beginner) cyclists in a city environment.2. Helmets are not what keeps you safe on a bike. Situational awareness and negotiating traffic is. Learn how to ride straight while looking back. Use hand signals.3. Wearing a helmet is a valid choice. Not wearing one, too. Ignoring point 2 can get you killed either way.
(DIR) Post #AVLBpuzCVaTOBAlZPU by j4ck@iosdev.space
2023-05-05T09:39:25Z
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@matt yes because any kind of fall onto the ground can cause severe head injury.But it should not be legally mandated because that causes over-policing against the most vulnerable of us.
(DIR) Post #AVLCGCctXr9EQ0rlwW by rae@mas.to
2023-05-05T09:44:09Z
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@matt you can fall and bump the head and be grand, or get delayed concussion, or be insta-killed. Cyclists need to learn from motorcycles. ATGATT. All the gear, all the time.Delayed concussion and brain issues here from falling off a horse, and it was stationary. I was grand immediately after. But within 12 hours, I deteriorated significantly.
(DIR) Post #AVLDHMDnSJtGQBF1V2 by NiklasMM@freiburg.social
2023-05-05T09:55:33Z
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@matt this poll is only gonna show that there are no Dutch people 😰
(DIR) Post #AVLDiDuaSYQsT34CrA by gauteweb@social.vivaldi.net
2023-05-05T10:00:25Z
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@matt As someone that was in a crash with a car little over a month ago yes to helmets (it saved my life)!...but... I generally use a helmet when I'm commuting to work the city, not when riding around in the suburbs where I live.
(DIR) Post #AVLEnodpQWFJmiSV5k by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2023-05-05T10:12:40Z
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@mattAlways had it a rule to just put it on. Its not a big deal. It can help you if something suddenly happen.
(DIR) Post #AVLHZjv4UAQiwrVHJA by AppleWoi@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T10:43:45Z
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@matt Yes- but I would not put it mandatory.
(DIR) Post #AVLIov4PPU3vpTfnge by eerko@brettspiel.space
2023-05-05T10:57:40Z
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@matt Not in the Netherlands (and yes, I’m Dutch 🇳🇱)
(DIR) Post #AVLOfxDsdVUxcnDBLM by redeileen@todon.eu
2023-05-05T12:03:17Z
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@matt Better safe than sorry. I also wear motorbike gloves, and a reflective vest when biking at night even though the road from downtown to where I live is quite well lit and my bike has lights at the front and at the back. I know it does not make me 100% safe but I prefer putting every chance on my side to avoid accidents and to protect myself in case it happens.(I should probably mention that bike lanes are either terrible or non-existent in my city)
(DIR) Post #AVLPEYqhFY4MAKry9A by jonhicks@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T12:09:34Z
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@matt All I would say is that the one time I had an accident - there were no cars around and it prevented 5mm being shaved off my skull. Didn't help my arse, but thats another story
(DIR) Post #AVLPOwM8hoHPy3WevY by GuyMarty@mamot.fr
2023-05-05T12:11:26Z
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@mattRecommend doesn't mean it should be mandatory.
(DIR) Post #AVLPhhXM1jHjVciXNA by maxbvrn@eldritch.cafe
2023-05-05T12:14:49Z
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@matt I recommend doing what makes you feel safe but I don’t personally wear an helmet.BUT I’m a real pain in the ass when it comes to lights, NEVER cycle in a city at night without lights, NEVER.
(DIR) Post #AVLT2VWeBDKMCT01PU by Twitter_expat@mastodon.world
2023-05-05T12:52:08Z
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@matt I dont get the Dutch predicament for not using a helmet. You never know what's going on the head of anyone else either on a car or not. Some people get triggered by bikes and Holland is not an exception.
(DIR) Post #AVLVieMBw2dbf2Kcka by Twitter_expat@mastodon.world
2023-05-05T13:22:13Z
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@matt I dont buy the premise that "Oh in Holland people are educated and respect cyclist". Not at all. For some reason cycling is been associated with politics and there are crazy people who gets really triggered by cyclist and you never know how they will react.
(DIR) Post #AVLVnmR9JzYOAV64cy by morten7an@mastodon.green
2023-05-05T13:23:07Z
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@matt In western countries outside of NL and DK, seeing lots of people cycling both with and without helmets is the best sign of a healthy cycling culture.Everybody uttering something about cycling safety should have a look at the Cycling Fallacies site: https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/29/people-should-wear-helmets-when-cycling
(DIR) Post #AVLWGncM0iS0EDAvM8 by morten7an@mastodon.green
2023-05-05T13:28:23Z
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@matt People have been brainwashed to believe that helmets are the ultimate thing to improve safety while cycling. So of course you get a fairly big majority supporting the message that people recommend helmets.Hopefully only a minority of those saying yes will pester strangers about helmets or complain on cycling pictures posted without helmets.
(DIR) Post #AVLWudIvm4XppF5I0G by morten7an@mastodon.green
2023-05-05T13:35:32Z
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@matt This is relevant too:https://static.wixstatic.com/media/19bc2a_2420668f256449a0a8ac15a1ff9a3443~mv2.jpeg/v1/fill/w_800,h_619,al_c,q_90/19bc2a_2420668f256449a0a8ac15a1ff9a3443~mv2.jpeg
(DIR) Post #AVLbetbrsnxTX8G1QG by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-05T14:28:46Z
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@morten7an This is partly why I'm asking; I got told that STATISTICALLY people are less likely to be in an accident whilst helmetless.Which, I dont have numbers to deny that (and imagine that changes from city-to-city).BUT, I wonder what the injury / death rate is of accident + helmet vs accident - hemlet.
(DIR) Post #AVLcAocfxZUXKir6w4 by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-05T14:34:32Z
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I wish I had time to discuss with everyone in the replies to this poll, but I don't.I asked because as many have commented, it's (apparently) statistically less likely for you to be knocked off your bike if helmetless.However, I never hear people talking about the other point; it only takes one time to be knocked on your head to be seriously injured.So, idk, as someone that has come off their bike twice in 10+ years, I think WITH HELMET is the better option, personally.
(DIR) Post #AVLcNDV9HtOfy4FST2 by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-05T14:36:47Z
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And the Dutch / no Dutch thing? Well, its because I was having this chat in person with @shivani I know a lot of people in Netherlands have a very safe cycling experience because they have the infrastructure for that.But a lot of cities don't. So I wondered if it would make a difference to the polls and with 442 answers so far, not 1 Dutch person has said YES to wearing a helmet (but 3% of respondents said No + Dutch)
(DIR) Post #AVLdqxURTwXex1fD3g by delcatti@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T14:53:19Z
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@matt answer: other; i can't ride a bike ;w;
(DIR) Post #AVLe5TsJs6PDRhkzE8 by mdonkin@mastodon.me.uk
2023-05-05T14:55:59Z
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@matt The evidence on the (dis)benefits of wearing a helmet are inconclusive. I don’t think the research has moved on since this: https://www.cyclehelmets.org/1139.htmlHowever, there is a tonne of evidence showing cycling (with or without a helmet) significantly reduces your risk of death from all causes.So, if you are more likely to ride a bike if you wear a helmet, wear a helmet. If a helmet might stop you riding a bike, don’t. But for your own health, whatever you choose to do, ride a bike!
(DIR) Post #AVLo4lu0MPz8blqUYS by CyclingJourno@toot.bike
2023-05-05T16:46:38Z
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@matt @morten7an That may be an artefact of the types of rider that do and don't wear helmets. Fietsers tend not to wear helmets, but with a slower, less risk-taking riding style on upright bikes are less likely to crash and sustain head injuries. Wielrenners wear helmets, take risks and disproportionally end up in A&E.However, if 'make cycling safer' = 'reduce danger to cyclists' you have to look at where the danger comes from and it's overwhelmingly 3 sources: drivers, drivers and drivers…
(DIR) Post #AVLoVZ568YnOfAoIwy by airwhale@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T16:52:46Z
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@matt I have cracked three helmets in my years of cycling. I saw NONE of these accidents coming before it was too late, and as my head hit the pavement, I sure was happy that helmet was on. It hurt enough 😵💫
(DIR) Post #AVLtThKD1295QEo7ns by lydiafacts@strangeobject.space
2023-05-05T17:48:21Z
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@matt I recommend it but try to be chill about it because I think it's better to cycle without than to not cycle.
(DIR) Post #AVOKxIsXYabFMy7wP2 by MaryPot@mastodon.babb.no
2023-05-06T22:05:42Z
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@matt I'm in Norway. Kids 12-15 have to wear a helmet when using an electric scooter. Kids under 12 aren't allowed to use them. Anyone over 15 can choose to or not.There is no law about using a helmet while riding a bike. BUT... I was remarking to my husband the other day that it has been ages since I have seen anyone, especially any kids, not wearing a helmet when bike-riding.Mopeds is mandated, but some teens are "tough".. stoopid!Everyone's brain is worth taking good care of!
(DIR) Post #AVSK1C5vOom6AJWDQG by ryanmoore@toot.bike
2023-05-08T20:14:02Z
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@matt I stopped asking, especially re: the Dutch. I wear a helmet in case I crash. I don’t think it will save my life in a major accident but it might stop me becoming paralysed or suffering brain damage in a smaller accident. I’m happy for the laws to go either way, I’d wear mine even if it was illegal. I agree we shouldn’t STOP at helmets, but I also think the helmet debate distracts us from the real enemy. The few accidents I’ve had I keep hurting my “groin”, maybe I need to wear a box too. 🤣
(DIR) Post #AVTRmaVPppJAtBElKC by shivani@oslo.town
2023-05-09T06:33:08Z
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@matt love that you’re tack-checking our discussion haha .. though you might need more Dutch followers to make your research statistically significant
(DIR) Post #AVTRme0int8Hl8uJ2O by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-09T09:05:42Z
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@shivani 3% is about 18 Dutch people that replied and all of them said No 🤔 Maybe I should question whether I want more than 18 Dutch followers? Can there be too much of a good thing?
(DIR) Post #AVVW3XN9WezME8d61Y by PommesRotWeiss@social.tchncs.de
2023-05-10T03:46:01Z
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@raucao @matt This!
(DIR) Post #AVVW3YbivyEq3cSFNI by matt@oslo.town
2023-05-10T09:13:06Z
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@PommesRotWeiss @raucao People keep coming at me with the "helmets do not statistically increase safety" and I keep thinking that I'd prefer a BONK! to the head WITH a helmet on than without one.Just like I'd prefer a car crash with an air bag rather than without one.
(DIR) Post #AVVWxuD3nwaFGvmt1M by raucao@kosmos.social
2023-05-10T09:23:16Z
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@matt @PommesRotWeiss The question was if we'd recommend a helmet, not if you personally feel safer with one.
(DIR) Post #AVVapwb3RgOuAvTBYm by PommesRotWeiss@social.tchncs.de
2023-05-10T10:06:41Z
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@matt @raucao This showes very clearly that you do not have an understanding how bicicle "helmet" and air bags work.
(DIR) Post #AWZq1BepW2pcx2lZHE by basil@sarcasm.stream
2023-06-11T09:07:39Z
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@matt I missed this at the time, but re: cycling helmets. I don't recommend either way, I leave it up to each person to decide.If I'm just pottering about the city on my town bike (exhibit a) then I don't, I just jump on and go.If I'm off for an adventure on my go anywhere bike (exhibit b) then I do.But mainly I object to shaming one way or another. Nobody ever asks people driving why they aren't wearing helmets despite it being more likely you'll get a TBI while in car.