Post AVJSJdRDWhJXOP8vGi by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #AVJSHutXeROSxGZX3w by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-05-04T13:34:05Z
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We're aware of the spam attack hitting mastodon.social right now and our full moderation and DevOps teams are on the case mitigating any way we can (incl. switching to approval-mode registrations)
(DIR) Post #AVJSJdRDWhJXOP8vGi by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-04T13:34:43.014507Z
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@Gargron cc @meso
(DIR) Post #AVJSM31XMztrKCHX4C by paulo@boks.moe
2023-05-04T13:35:07.439862Z
1 likes, 1 repeats
@Gargron cc @meso
(DIR) Post #AVJSR0Gj2ZSmECkUrY by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-04T13:36:02.015412Z
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@Gargron Have you tried encouraging users to host their own instance instead of using mastodon.social?Or at the very least sign up with other providers other than mastodon.social?
(DIR) Post #AVJSXnK9ZDM86kag9g by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-04T13:37:15.657689Z
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@Gargron Sorry this is a bit of a hot take. I just really wish mastodon.social thought more about the rest of the fedi and less about mastodon.social. :sad_cat: :sad_dog:
(DIR) Post #AVJSYHT3UgInb2zDCC by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-04T13:37:21.826492Z
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@twizzay @Gargron *you feel a great dread fall upon you. You are being judged by the almighty Mastodong God himself.*
(DIR) Post #AVJSYfqcqhPtD6CNGa by stanford@social.arclight.pro
2023-05-04T13:37:03Z
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@moanos_foss @Gargron Decental... what?Are you suggesting having more than one default #mastodon instance?What a revolutionary idea 🎉​
(DIR) Post #AVJSkvwEqnU8aafaWu by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-05-04T13:39:38.076036Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@Gargron wanna rp with me
(DIR) Post #AVJSnLIjWV0npVL9mK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-04T13:40:04.446113Z
4 likes, 1 repeats
> on the case mitigating any way we can The most obvious, and straightforward mitigation is to migrate users to smaller instances.Are you doing this?
(DIR) Post #AVJSoXpwOxXozvRioS by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-04T13:40:18.170646Z
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@twizzay @Gargron it's not a hot take its basically common sense now but the mastodongers don't know that because they're too busy being professional and twittery
(DIR) Post #AVJStNKmsQsZsBB4u8 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-04T13:41:09.474529Z
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@kirby @Gargron It felt a bit harsher than my usual discourse. I dont want to be uncivil. Just honest.
(DIR) Post #AVJSxHrn9D4W4cTqwi by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-04T13:41:52.984135Z
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@twizzay @Gargron it's civil you're fine
(DIR) Post #AVJT1FaxXDmCBeUsrY by moanos_foss@lediver.se
2023-05-04T13:35:21Z
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@Gargron Almost seems like very large instances are not such a great idea 🤔 We should try something like decentralization...
(DIR) Post #AVJT7R2VtiOBQ1KnU8 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-05-04T13:43:41.598722Z
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@jeffcliff @Gargron yeah I was just musing over how anyone could be shocked that by directing every new account through their app to their own instance they end up with a bunch of spam accounts.
(DIR) Post #AVJTOchnmFDiWTqJCS by scips@mastodon.social
2023-05-04T13:42:31Z
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@Gargron feel free to let us know if we can do anything to help
(DIR) Post #AVJTOdSayGeOrbjg8W by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-04T13:46:46.999957Z
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You can move to another instance.
(DIR) Post #AVJTZEkjAoX5Q6Gw76 by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T13:48:40.625781Z
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Spread like at the end of god emperor of dune. I'm sure the book was about mastodon
(DIR) Post #AVJTmBlXadJNv9pQMi by rw@shitposter.club
2023-05-04T13:51:03.936730Z
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@Gargron thanks for the update!
(DIR) Post #AVJV5f7UmB5aPvwmLA by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-05-04T14:05:45.663662Z
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@Gargron :spam: :apainom:
(DIR) Post #AVJVNb6CSqmf9vtRho by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-05-04T14:09:02.384Z
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@twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest Mastodon only cares about Mastodon. @Gargron@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AVJVX99tCXUVOoAke8 by Hughenknubbel@social.tchncs.de
2023-05-04T13:42:11Z
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@moanos_foss yes dezentralisation prevent spam. we saw that with emails. oh... wait...@gargron
(DIR) Post #AVJVX9rUaQMxa2ZZbs by moanos_foss@lediver.se
2023-05-04T13:44:13Z
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@Hughenknubbel @Gargron Depends. It's easy to block one server (when it is not "to big to block"). And problems never affect the whole network.
(DIR) Post #AVJVXAUUFRYrWyoiOG by SolSoCoG@ieji.de
2023-05-04T13:47:40Z
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@moanos_foss @Hughenknubbel so you would just block an instance that is targeted by spam abusers? :schmusekadser:
(DIR) Post #AVJVXB8XqVbVXDYhpQ by moanos_foss@lediver.se
2023-05-04T13:49:25Z
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@SolSoCoG @Hughenknubbel Yes until they solved the issue. We (lediver.se) also limit mastodon.social for the time being. But a smaller instance would make less problems
(DIR) Post #AVJVXBrv7ntrnwmwYS by yonle@fedi.lecturify.net
2023-05-04T14:10:43.620862Z
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@moanos_foss That's just gonna make your user having hard time to communicate with his friend at that blocked instance.
(DIR) Post #AVJVbcEl1uyQk7a3Bw by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-05-04T14:09:22Z
1 likes, 16 repeats
All of the spam accounts have been suspended, reports queue cleared, IPs and e-mail domains used in the spam wave banned. We're continuing to monitor the situation and analyzing the pattern.
(DIR) Post #AVJVfVYxmnKnCZt5e4 by dada@diaspodon.fr
2023-05-04T14:12:03Z
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@Gargron Thanks
(DIR) Post #AVJVkW11Wxyc3NOsQC by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-04T14:13:11.384079Z
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@Gargron cc @meso
(DIR) Post #AVJVmaGigkaTp7jDeq by meso@asbestos.cafe
2023-05-04T14:13:33.221556Z
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@Gargron Ermmm meds?
(DIR) Post #AVJVykwGqJq0OKy36W by paulo@boks.moe
2023-05-04T14:15:43.351494Z
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@meso @Gargron :alert_red: gargron is off his meds :alert_red:mastodon has been sold to microsoft
(DIR) Post #AVJW2p5BNWhUOx4iyu by Rairii@haqueers.com
2023-05-04T13:40:57Z
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@Gargron good. please consider switching to approval mode registrations permanently.
(DIR) Post #AVJW4C7bCo8g93rM36 by B_Whitewind@witches.live
2023-05-04T13:41:37Z
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@Gargron my dude I was big into web 3 social media. The only way to even slow bots down is to implement one of those captchas like "pictures of boats" and then it's like 3-6 layers deep of having to pick out random objects. Some uhhh *coughs* web cam oriented sites *coughs* use them as well to great effect. Please don't ban me :3
(DIR) Post #AVJWWpt8wlqNaWkt5U by samsteiner@swiss.social
2023-05-04T14:21:41Z
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@stanford @moanos_foss @Gargron 😂 all the experience with large social netwaorks speak loud and clear for 1 central instance (and expensive APIs)
(DIR) Post #AVJXUqexD0RlM3jb4i by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-04T14:32:44Z
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@moanos_foss @Gargron I approve of this message.
(DIR) Post #AVJXa8xObg5fYEsxMG by moanos_foss@lediver.se
2023-05-04T14:17:02Z
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@yonle yes. But that friend then has to wait until the admin has solved the problem. For small instances that's not a big issue
(DIR) Post #AVJXa9YcNHrfPgIgNM by nhan@mastodon.social
2023-05-04T14:24:41Z
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@moanos_foss @yonle Why that's not a big issue? What if it takes forever for the admin of the small instance to solve the problem?I noticed many of your answers are "Oh, just do small instance, the problem will be solved.". Like it's just the nature of the small instance that will solve the problem. Maybe trying to give more reasons to back up your claims.
(DIR) Post #AVJXaNqrEGlzkIwRkW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:33:11Z
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@Gargron You could always try actually developing good moderation tools into mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AVJXmq2wE994fKWzlA by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-05-04T14:35:56Z
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@freemo @Gargron room for improvement. Why are you still on mastodon 3.2 tho? 4.x main branch has some tasty webhooks for admins to add their own tooling into now. (and m.s, m.o are upgraded to main)
(DIR) Post #AVJXt9U4s4BCgjEgqW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:37:01Z
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@supernovae We dont run mastodon we run a fork that is heavily modified and our version is not a reflection of what features we pulled in from mastodon anymore.@Gargron
(DIR) Post #AVJY37qRovHKV4SHVw by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-05-04T14:38:53Z
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@freemo @Gargron Do you have moderation tools to share then?
(DIR) Post #AVJYBl9lXpcQjublOy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:40:28Z
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@supernovae @Gargron We do have some custom moderation tools yes.
(DIR) Post #AVJYfrj3gWatnjTITg by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-05-04T14:45:54Z
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@freemo @Gargron any details to share? is the code public since you forked mastodon is it on your fork in github?
(DIR) Post #AVJZ1uHKsFfM5c0xYO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:49:51Z
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@supernovae @Gargron Our code is public yes.We have been in development and separate from mastodon for many years now, hard to keep track of all of our features off hand. Most of what we have is in the form of python scripts and dont ship with the server itself (that said I dont think me or the other mods would mind posting them if someone wants them). They are mostly designed to find advertisers, even if they dont post, by looking for common red-flags in their profiles then listing them to us for review.There are some things at the server level too, for example we can review remote timelines (timelines of other instances) without needing an account there,a nd use that to help us moderate inter-instance federation, we also added captcha which can can use various indicators to decide if it presents itself or not, and a few other tools.
(DIR) Post #AVJZCEuT1TFCyJFFOy by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-05-04T14:51:43Z
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@freemo @Gargron yeah, my point is we're all in this - if we're suggesting failures somewhere we need to suggest solutions.Mastodon 4.x has webhook that greatly help here - you can plugin akismet or other anti spam services or look for dupe posts or trigger your own rate limits.All of us should be coordinating and collaborating here - it's an OSS project and if you run a fork, it seems disingenuous to say "fix your code" if what they fix won't be able to address similar things happening from your fork - unless you have explicit suggestions :)
(DIR) Post #AVJZUFC6hgSj4C55pw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:54:58Z
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@supernovae @Gargron Back before QOTO diverged too far from mastodon to be feasable most of our fixes were offered as PR to mastodon... surprise surprise Eugene usually rejected them for ideological reasons and here we are.This isnt a case of "well its open-source"... no you have a highly opinionated guy running the scene who has made highly questionable and destructive decisions on various occasions and who has stifled good contributions to the codebase at every turn (and often gets called out)... So no the fault lies with Eugene here right fromt he getgo.
(DIR) Post #AVJZdyIgMz0vZCnMIq by supernovae@universeodon.com
2023-05-04T14:56:37Z
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@freemo @Gargron yeah.. some mistakes were made. Let's not continue to make them :)
(DIR) Post #AVJZgUIONnTTNTrKVc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-05-04T14:57:12Z
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@supernovae @Gargron Agreed, Ill let you know the day Eugene shows even an inkling of admitting his mistakes and correcting them...
(DIR) Post #AVJcEDX3PoiH8mvcWm by Rairii@haqueers.com
2023-05-04T13:55:18Z
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@fuomag9 and this is a bad thing how?
(DIR) Post #AVJeRw8r4K53AUHMoq by stanford@social.arclight.pro
2023-05-04T15:50:33Z
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@samsteiner @moanos_foss @Gargron Definitely, I guess the only solution is for mastodon.social to defederate with everyone else and make the protocol proprietary :ageblobcat:​ /j
(DIR) Post #AVJfTNFZrjNTUGflpo by pynkbites@demon.haus
2023-05-04T15:50:33Z
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@Gargron Maybe you shouldn't be funneling everyone to mastodon.social by default, huh?
(DIR) Post #AVJrxvGj9I858CXlke by Piky_Nieves@mastodon.social
2023-05-04T17:16:42Z
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@Gargron thanks. Boosted!
(DIR) Post #AVJsaFRsZKpMiq2E0O by Twoinchdestroya@poa.st
2023-05-04T18:29:02.725686Z
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@Gargron Who the he’ll uses Mastadon?
(DIR) Post #AVJsgcfh8ja4U4XKsa by nekofag@rdrama.cc
2023-05-04T18:30:10.587819Z
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@Gargron arent you guys always on a bot attack considering the dead fedi theory?
(DIR) Post #AVJukCth6qlLc5vCsq by nolasco@iddqd.social
2023-05-04T18:53:15.280697Z
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(DIR) Post #AVL4dhJ8q5lqbPJqUK by gideonstar@mastodon.gideonstar.de
2023-05-04T14:12:00Z
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@Gargron All the users on my server who reported spam are now banned. It's so easy 😎
(DIR) Post #AVL4diPCl2DO0VACZs by teaHX1138@infosec.exchange
2023-05-04T23:45:29Z
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@gideonstar @Gargron You ban users for REPORTING spam?
(DIR) Post #AVL4dj9zx3e4Ld3ZVw by gideonstar@mastodon.gideonstar.de
2023-05-05T08:10:50Z
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@teaHX1138 @Gargron Sure. Since then I have no problems with spam.
(DIR) Post #AVL4djmHeiGoGMy9Bo by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2023-05-05T08:18:47.670599Z
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@gideonstar Are you the kind of person who puts tape over the engine warning light? If you can't see it, it's not there.@teaHX1138 @Gargron
(DIR) Post #AVL4twPgReLU5J7mzY by gideonstar@mastodon.gideonstar.de
2023-05-05T08:19:50Z
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@thatbrickster @teaHX1138 @Gargron Which warning light? There is no warning light.
(DIR) Post #AVL4txBXZicuTjW0aO by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2023-05-05T08:21:44.998519Z
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@gideonstar The analogy was if you can't see the problem then it doesn't exist. I would be concerned if those reporting spam were the spammers themselves.@teaHX1138 @Gargron
(DIR) Post #AVL59QdiLXz4Ap4Y8u by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-05T08:24:33.724809Z
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@jeffcliff @Gargron are u trying to jeff ¿ that was an absolutely retarded idea
(DIR) Post #AVLd338qCArW03lGpk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-05-05T14:44:23.123797Z
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i never had an account on m.s because i understood the importance of having an account on a smaller server to the value of a federated, well balanced network
(DIR) Post #AVLq4bmMCO077TJnbk by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-05-05T17:10:20.003353Z
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@jeffcliff @Gargron you don't have to be such a sour man Jeff I was just having fun. :pieville:
(DIR) Post #AVOHEko2Zpkv5i5Vsu by james@pl.starnix.network
2023-05-06T21:24:06.947684Z
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@kirby @twizzay Yeah since Mastodon blew up they've focused on trying to pander to the Twitter refugees. I think in the end it'll be good since we won't have to deal with them anymore, but the bad news is that we'll lose out on all the FOSS accounts and all the other good people from those servers.
(DIR) Post #AVOHKmwTY2j9SAuWxM by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T21:25:13.598997Z
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@james @twizzay They're not going anywhere anytime soon. (the FOSS accounts) Not as long as the Fediverse still exists.
(DIR) Post #AVOKRG4uQwqxPvdGJk by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-06T21:59:59.160346Z
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@kirby @james Yeah we’re not going to lose out on anything except being a niche network. Which fine. There will always be nice servers.
(DIR) Post #AVOMjTu9xtkvQ8QBo8 by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-05-06T22:25:41.371138Z
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@james @kirby Eugen’s thoughts on this are that mastodon.social is basically the on-boarding instance. People people join it before migrating to another instance. I glad that mastodon.social is helping in fediverse onboarding. But ultimately I continue to hold the position that this is unhealthy behavior. Its not good for mastodon as a software and its not good for fedi as a whole.
(DIR) Post #AVOMpP5WmnukDfYwym by kirby@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-06T22:26:47.084656Z
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@twizzay @james if it's really that way then mastodon social should delete accounts after 6 months. No matter the activity. That would benefit the entire network