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Post AVJ2RUZtkneJQFI0Cu by Tony@clew.lol
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(DIR) Post #AVIyPPOndeyIxpqhm4 by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T04:58:41Z

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@fediversenews So poking around fedidb.org, I thought I&#39;d do some back-of-napkin analysis (ie procrastination).* 50% of #fediverse users are on the largest 20 instances* ~50% of MAU are on the largest 28* 77% users are on instances with &gt;10k users (largest 130)* 73% MAUs on &gt;10k instances* Of largest 20 instances, user growth/mnth (trend over prev 3mnths) is ~1-2% ... with 2 major outliers:- misskey.io: 30% (See @atomicpoet to follow the *key story)- #mastodon.social(!!): 5%/1

(DIR) Post #AVIyPQ8ssJppGlPVbc by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T05:06:18Z

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@fediversenews Big surprise for me was how much mastodon.social is growing (especially given the tension about its dominance).It&#39;s current trend is to grow by the equivalent of the 23rd largest instance per month while most (ie largest) instances are growing by 2% per month (ie a few thousand, which, guessing, would be something like the 300th largest instance or so ... ie small)./2

(DIR) Post #AVIyPQp4LTZxNb9CMK by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T06:00:24Z

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@fediversenews Obviously I haven&#39;t pulled the whole database down, but having poked around the fedidb page a bit, I haven&#39;t seen any other instance other than a *key instance have the sort of growth trend that #mastodonsocial has had the past few months, which is nuts given how big it already is.Like, there&#39;s a clearly a centralisation event occurring here likely to only get bigger given the defaults in the app, and also likely willfully chosen by many of the users./2.5

(DIR) Post #AVIyPTEfNHF6rZ8fXE by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T05:08:27Z

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@fediversenews Also, depending on what counts as &quot;large&quot; (&gt;10k users?), 70-80% of fediverse is probably on large instances, which must have implications for federating/moderating with safety in mind.If you were admining an instance that cares about safety, when do you start with the &quot;federate&quot; list rather than &quot;defederate&quot; list and ignore all the big ones (&gt;20k?)Anyone doing this sort of analysis properly? Could #fedidb include such?/end

(DIR) Post #AVIyPTsiyLHkrnseyO by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T06:13:08Z

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@fediversenews As far as the really big instances go (which are the only ones that can compete with mastodon.social in the mid-term), this is the clearly largest instance also growing the fastest.Even misskey.io, whose growth is nuts (~30%/mnth), in absolute terms that&#39;s the same as mastodon.social&#39;s (~50k users /mnth) where mastodon.social is &gt;5x bigger than misskey.io and clearly positioning itself to grow more as the openly default mastodon instance./2.6

(DIR) Post #AVIyPVtrT5Np7uQb1U by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T05:41:59Z

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@fediversenews An additional observation on MAU to User ratios.Of 150 largest instances (min 8k users, extent of my &quot;analysis&quot;), the MAU/Total User ratio had no relationship with the total user count. Said ratio varies from 0-40% with outliers 48, 53, 75%.Though, all high MAU ratio instances are small.That is: all &gt;30% MAU ratio instances have ~30k or fewer users. So small instance community is probably working well, but not reliably so?

(DIR) Post #AVIyPYgV7DTjlLCT7A by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T06:22:40Z

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@fediversenews Fedidb records ~21k instances.Which means that ~20% of the fediverse users not on the core/central 150 instances are spread out amongst ~20,000 instances.I&#39;m guessing many of these are self-hosting, but it&#39;d be very interesting to look through all of the data to get a clear picture.Otherwise, there are probably many small community instances out there ... which is awesome!

(DIR) Post #AVIySaIvY8KPefcITI by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-05-04T07:52:06Z

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@maegul #mastodonsocial is never willfully preferred by newcomers over other instances. They don&#39;t even know what instances are at that point.mastodon.social is only so big and growing so quickly because there&#39;s more and more railroading going on. First, it was only convenience: It&#39;s the biggest instance with the most action, and when you wanted to invite someone over from Twitter, you didn&#39;t have to look up a matching instance for them. Just railroad them to mastodon.social and let them spend three months or so believing that mastodon.social is Mastodon.However, a key component in the on-boarding of new users is the official Mastodon app. What do you do when you want to join a new online service? You install the app with the same name from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. In this case, it&#39;s the official Mastodon app. Just about nobody (except for me and a few other übergeeks) uses the desktop or F-Droid.And the official Mastodon app currently railroads new users hard straight to mastodon.social, not even shying away from black patterns.

(DIR) Post #AVIyi0Jh7OyqftKPOS by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:02:56.917853Z

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we need more smaller instances, and simple ways for users to create their own.and i&#39;m not speaking about centralized providers, rather simple ways to install everything. preferably via gui for your average user. a wizard that takes you from registering a domain, over setting up a backend/frontend to logging in the first time.

(DIR) Post #AVIz9SXMItD218oLzM by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:04:55.813622Z

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This is the ideal scenario for decentralisation. Love this concept.

(DIR) Post #AVIz9TJZPdm2QfMr8S by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:07:53.019850Z

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sadly one of the problems is the many different providers involved. registering your domain at provider A. getting a vps from company B. it all are barriers to entry, that should be gone. just have a pay now step during the process, and more people might be inclined. articles won&#39;t do much for people who aren&#39;t already interested in running an instance.

(DIR) Post #AVIzhO3fSjcRyL6Lom by T0xF03AE@snug.moe
2023-05-04T08:09:30.605Z

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@Bloomfer@coolsite.win 🧙‍♂️ we really need more wizards 🧙‍♂️

(DIR) Post #AVJ1pCl9YQ3x9gIT9k by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:32:33.962179Z

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Well, yes, but let’s say Yunohost or Docker/Swarm based installations are available for most server software, so the problem is not really unsurmountable, and these days, it’s not that difficult to get a relatively cheap name from something like namecheap.com, and with something like Vultr.com, it is possible to have one’s own instance to enjoy the #Fediverse say with tools such as #Pleroma that are relatively low on resources. Then I always recommend @darius (Darius Kazemi) and the various tools he has written over the years.

(DIR) Post #AVJ1pDSkwIwPKuhI7U by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:37:45.412986Z

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of course namecheap exists and it is simple. but what is an a record. why do i have to care about it? SSL? why does it send me an email saying my cert is running out. there are so many things that are hurdles. not to mention the terminal is black magic for most people

(DIR) Post #AVJ1vgalYCcDPsWqmG by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:39:01.086318Z

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i like the concept nostr has, where your account is a public/private key pair. you can take your account with you to there service you use. people like me would then host something for others to use, and if they have enough of me an my antics they can move on.

(DIR) Post #AVJ22mxKHw6NBGT51s by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:40:10.910339Z

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and something i would love to see is ipv6 everywhere and static ips for everyone. so self hosting at home can be a thing

(DIR) Post #AVJ2HedhUWEtjONQRc by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:41:15.412657Z

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Oh yes, that SSL and LetsEncrypt, wish they could make things a little easier. Perhaps ansible playbooks are good options. Check it out, https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon-ansible/

(DIR) Post #AVJ2LFUAxC7gsQdT3g by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:42:51.662714Z

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for me those are not a problem. but imagine i&#39;m a new user and you link me this playbook. what is ansible? what is a playbook? we are creating technical solutions for IT people and not the everyday user

(DIR) Post #AVJ2RUZtkneJQFI0Cu by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:44:47.694850Z

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I&#39;ve been looking this stuff up too. On the Pleroma side, it&#39;s not even top 20 - it&#39;s like the top 5 instances are like 70% of the market (not accurate number, am just rattling off percentages off the top of my head, but it is a large number of users). I also wonder how many &quot;alt&quot; accounts there are. When you look up the monthly active user numbers, the number of active users drops dramatically. VERY dramatically. I think it&#39;s interesting that so many mastodon instances block the biggest ones on the fediverse. Like from a pure reach standpoint, you&#39;d think more people seeing your stuff is better? I self host and the benefit for me, is being immune to instance - instance drama. If one instance blocks another, it doesn&#39;t affect who I can talk with. Idk, I follow this stuff because I&#39;m curious if this is ever going to hit a growth stage and really grow. I think if there is going to be a large influx of users, it&#39;ll probably happen in the next year (during election cycle in the US)

(DIR) Post #AVJ2UQM1uihHBwCUrI by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:45:19.937356Z

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The process is still too complex for your average internet user...

(DIR) Post #AVJ2g0BD3WfHUIezg0 by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:44:21.174406Z

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Yes, true. It takes a while for these things. I dunno. Perhaps groups of people get together and do it.

(DIR) Post #AVJ2g0oYhE8lSL4Q0e by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:47:20.899733Z

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as always the best way to do something and get it going is to do it yourself. if you start others will join. another issue i see is people defederating based on the software you use. pleroma/soapbox can be a defederation just because. even if you know of nothing about the politics

(DIR) Post #AVJ2pRTWwPuskWjNx2 by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:49:01.698310Z

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the process in the end can not be more difficult than installing a smartphone app

(DIR) Post #AVJ2zQAodVkHbjjgDg by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:50:52.510534Z

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I mean, I set up my own using a guide @alex made and chat GPT. But, I got pretty fluent with &quot;bash shell&quot; over the past year which was like the main thing I needed to understand. You&#39;r average idiot would have no chance as soon as terminal shows up. It &quot;looks&quot; hard.

(DIR) Post #AVJ32gA5eHBq3ywx8K by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:50:29.616628Z

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Always is!

(DIR) Post #AVJ35xMW9ckYHJKFBg by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:52:05.600033Z

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Alex made a braindead guide, only screwed it up because a cat walked over the keyboard...That&#39;s why as simple as an app

(DIR) Post #AVJ39nOt8M3sXaGUvQ by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:52:46.255870Z

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People struggle with apps? It&#39;s just a search on the storefront of your choosing and a click

(DIR) Post #AVJ3GETHOjeYEkO8fI by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:53:05.218245Z

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But I must say #Pleroma has good instructions, if people were to follow them exactly without knowing in depth terminal, many of them would be able to get a reasonable setup.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3GIaA75XEzFdgwq by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:53:55.184583Z

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You still input scary looking strings into a black box

(DIR) Post #AVJ3MdThKusVX0dZw0 by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:55:07.393707Z

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I ran into problems with nginx. There were a couple of config lines which were wrong and it took me like 3 hours to figure it out. If I hadn&#39;t been familiar or comfortable looking threw files and all the folders and navigating the users I couldn&#39;t have solved it. The guides assume you can config the softwares yourself and set up the server, get the SSH key stuff set up, ect. So you still need to have some general familiarity with software before setting one up.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3U5hUnuQZ5ae7aC by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:54:48.946729Z

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… And what does not help is copy paste is tricky with terminals.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3U6XFhTpNg6rSFs by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:55:52.596485Z

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right click in putty is simple, but then again you need to install one more thing first on windows

(DIR) Post #AVJ3UZdzTVRtxPEkHg by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:56:21.988348Z

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That, and an ability to withstand frustrations, and ask or hunt in Quora/StackOverflow … in the end, this is geeky stuff.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3aR0YUqBeuVaOLw by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:57:32.353001Z

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Yah, stack overflow helped me out. I used chat GPT for most of it. Which is good BUT, you still have to problem solve to figure out why it&#39;s recommendations aren&#39;t working...Anyway, idk if this type of social media will be accessible to everyone until the barrier to entry is lowered.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3h66sapdw7iim36 by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T08:58:43.519122Z

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we are already living in a very complex world, with too much happening. we need less things yelling at us wanting our attention

(DIR) Post #AVJ3k9SMbi83N5E6HA by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T08:59:22.803415Z

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So true.

(DIR) Post #AVJ3yMfcH9CkPJCckK by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T08:59:22Z

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@Tony I’m actually clueless about what instances are blocked and by which. I didn’t know it was common for many instances to block the big ones. Seems consistent with what I figured the direction of the fediverse is. How do you know this?

(DIR) Post #AVJ3yNHC1RGKHqmdJg by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T09:01:56.088458Z

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You can see all of the blocks at fba.ryona.agencyIt shows which instances defederated which ones. It&#39;s a cool resource. There are websites which track instance counts for various softwares.

(DIR) Post #AVJ505gGVsL4FStQnI by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T09:10:10Z

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@Tony that page shows only one instance blocking mastodon.social.

(DIR) Post #AVJ506B6fD0bn7K3rk by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T09:13:27.050605Z

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I think you searched something incorrectly. I see a couple hundred blocksThe top box brings up all the instances that block the search instance.

(DIR) Post #AVJ6FhM6oxQDOQTHRw by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T09:26:58Z

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@Tony absolutely right. A stray capital got in the way, which I wasn’t expecting to be an issue.

(DIR) Post #AVJHEOcI6beMTtccPw by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2023-05-04T08:54:14.635196Z

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Yes, but even then, mostly from first hand experience of people trying to install. Much of that is about apprehensions of “shall I? shall not I?”

(DIR) Post #AVJHEPO9EfvmsK0q0m by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T10:21:27Z

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@arinbasu1 @Tony @Bloomfer @maegul I run a small instance as @admin. Running your own independent server or vps does require basic SysAdmin skills (and mindset). People who do will almost certainly have a domain or three so adding on a &#39;social&#39; subdomain and point it at the server is trivial and free.Reducing that to an app is imho a pipedream. More promising is a hoster offering a managed vps with Mastodon or whatever as a service. Taking responsibility for backups and managing data storage.

(DIR) Post #AVJHEQOtTO7c0vMwoS by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T10:30:59Z

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@arinbasu1 @Tony @Bloomfer @maegul @admin Adding to this even experienced SysAdmins who celebrated getting their Mastodon instance running (not without incident) suddenly hit the harder problem of getting it to federate successfully. Six months on I&#39;m only just succeeding - yesterday we only hit 50% of known instances. This required extra software. Running your own instance is great and rewarding. But be careful of building unrealistic expectations, fragile servers and disappointing results.

(DIR) Post #AVJHER6qpxHeDFw3KS by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T11:30:23.669786Z

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You are advocating for centralization in the end with a service provider for fediverse instances. And not everyone has a domain or knows how to get one.I&#39;m fine with pleroma and it&#39;s ability to federate. I made some changes to soapbox, since it was the cleanest interface but lacking in some departments.The app was used to say how simple the process would have to be for the masses to adopt it. We can not expect everyone to know how to setup a server/maintain it.

(DIR) Post #AVJJHDJMnJZMCCF24u by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T11:43:14Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 Certainly not. I&#39;m advocating against monolithic instances. I&#39;m thinking along the choices non-IT people have with, say, WordPress. A multiplicity of hosters offering managed solutions including a domain or sub-domain. People who have a #RaspberryPi and a decent broadband connection, on the other hand, also have scripts and videos to get them going. Great for a personal instance. Most will have the required skills (or the #RPi will still be in the drawer ;-)

(DIR) Post #AVJJHE2k4briSvTGnw by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T11:53:22.709615Z

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&gt; Certainly not. I&#39;m advocating against monolithic instances. I&#39;m thinking along the choices non-IT people have with, say, WordPress. A multiplicity of hosters offering managed solutions including a domain or sub-domain. such providers are a weak point and allow for censorship. &gt; People who have a #RaspberryPi and a decent broadband connection, on the other hand, also have scripts and videos to get them going. Great for a personal instance. Most will have the required skills (or the #RPi will still be in the drawer ;-)good luck getting a static ip, and not some nat mess. sadly for european isps ipv6 is an impossible upgrade

(DIR) Post #AVJJHF38KdlxaQf63M by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T11:52:25Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 A major issue for non-IT people is managing data storage - which is probably their biggest issue as it grows uncontrollably beyond the 40/80GB they may have with a budget vps.. Will they find and change the default cache rentention from unlimited to, say, a more realisti 7-30 days?Or do you expect find, configure S3 or equivalent off-site storage?Homebrew is easier &#39;cos you can just upgrade with an ever cheaper SSD.

(DIR) Post #AVJKfoSCS1niIMfOka by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T12:04:02Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 That&#39;s a reducing issue these days as IPv6 becomes more prevalent as it is (with the UK providers I&#39;ve worked with) effectively gives a fixed large range. You need to use Cloudflare or other CDM to proxy it for IPv4 users but that&#39;s free for small instances. More to the point Mastodon is reportably difficult to install without a IPv4 connection. But that should be fixable by the developers. Hopefully soon.

(DIR) Post #AVJKfpHFOEdMqgYAJk by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T12:09:03.866051Z

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&gt; hat&#39;s a reducing issue these days as IPv6 becomes more prevalent as it is (with the UK providers I&#39;ve worked with) effectively gives a fixed large range.my isp can&#39;t even setup a nat, i&#39;m having access to half the villages lans...&gt; You need to use Cloudflare or other CDM to proxy it for IPv4 users but that&#39;s free for small instances. and we are again at a single point of centralization. in the end i think we are again at the nostr approach. where you take your account with you.

(DIR) Post #AVJKp4BjJvgfhVNLlo by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T12:10:41.604427Z

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i have a clear no back up policy in place for my instance. all content that isn&#39;t pinned or bookmarked will be deleted after 7 days. i think it is important that we do not save a persons whole life for ever.

(DIR) Post #AVJUmg01HYkxduOgmO by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T13:59:28Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 Anybody who can spin up an Apache/Nginx instance can proxy it for you. Opposite of centralisation which is the whole point of being here.&#39;Free&#39; tiers of commercial providers tend to go non-free over time. Hence use &#39;em when free but build an independent alternative. for laterDo we need for some sort of Trade Union for us little instances - to challenge any decisions the majors might make that effectively isolates or makes second class netcitizens of us?

(DIR) Post #AVJUmhRLvQDM6yC21Q by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T14:02:20.786035Z

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&gt; Do we need for some sort of Trade Union for us little instances - to challenge any decisions the majors might make that effectively isolates or makes second class netcitizens of us?No no no, i do not want others to talk for me and how i run my instance. We are who we make ourselves. Fediverse software is mostly open sauce. Go and change what you dislike but do not strive for a committee to speak for you. This will end in infighting and censorship within the group

(DIR) Post #AVJXaeK9z5iepom4e0 by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T14:29:56Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 Have to differ with you as a veteran of this war which was won by the little people against the megacorps and a corrupt management only two years ago: https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/15/nominet_second_agm/The major beneficiary was not us but the public.We hopefully, will never get into the same position with Mastodon/ActivityPub but always be prepared. I need smarter guys than me to be watching, advising and, if necessary, warning.

(DIR) Post #AVJXaezHWCc2tM0ujw by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T14:33:45.355071Z

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we are not winning anything. the internet is less decentralized than ever before. people are spread over less and less sites. large corporation control our speech. the gdpr is a joke and made browsing the internet just worse.no you don&#39;t need others to think for you, do it yourself. think about what you want, and what you will leave behind and act accordingly

(DIR) Post #AVJaNdSqAcGoGWJwg4 by stuart@social.brainsys.com
2023-05-04T15:00:56Z

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@Bloomfer @Tony @maegul @arinbasu1 The Nominet membership would differ. A vital part of the UK internet infrastructure is now working for the Public Benefit again - not the megacorps and greedy incompetent directors.Cheer up. We had a great public orientated social media - Usenet &amp; later independent forums. They were killed by the Twitter/Faceebook/TikTok brigade and folks like me just gave up.Mastodon/ActivityPub has brought back that public benefit ethos that was all but dead a year ago.

(DIR) Post #AVJaNeGTC5y8kRXa2C by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T15:04:59.053794Z

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&gt; We had we are not getting back to those times. they are gone and nothing will bring them back. There is now too much money to be made from your attention. Having your brain turned into mush from 30sec blinking lights is what keeps the money flowing.&gt; folks like me just gave up.“There has never been a truly selfless rebel, just hypocrites—conscious hypocrites or unconscious hypocrites, it’s all the same.” why are you only talking about mastodon and ignoring the existence of pleroma etc?

(DIR) Post #AVJc3MTDqKlNg0xYcS by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T15:23:49.200757Z

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I don’t think the value of our collective attention has changed. Ever since the development of mass media (radio) - I think the powers that he have been feeding us only the info the want us to have. The internet, gave literally all of humanity a collective ability to find a “safe space” from the propaganda we’ve been fed since the 1920s. If anything, the difference now is we are all aware of the propaganda and can actively avoid it.

(DIR) Post #AVJcM3cs888ijZO84O by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T15:27:11.691507Z

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The nice thing about this as a media platform is the barrier to entry. In order to have an instance there’s a knowledge barrier to entry which is pretty steep.This alone will keep most of the “moderators” at bay because they would have to be intelligent enough to set up an instance and recruit people to support common moderation standards. Then, you’d have to convince the big instance owners to go along with it. I don’t think this style of platform (with its current players) will ever be “moderated” as much as face book or twitter.

(DIR) Post #AVJe2Qtc6RUD1NzN44 by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-05-04T15:46:00.208217Z

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it hit me while mowing the lawn. this guy doesn&#39;t want the to change the system for the freedom of everyone but to be in power.

(DIR) Post #AVKE2bF1EhtxSMNcKe by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2023-05-04T22:29:25.196543Z

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@mjag har Users (174k)är det bra eller dåligt?jag har Pleroma på Raspberry Pi 4

(DIR) Post #AVKIckZMQot0d2O7OK by pevohr@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T22:48:36Z

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@maegul @fediversenews I&#39;m having a bit of difficulty replicating your math here:infosec.exchange 19,510/53,408 = 36.5%hachyderm.io 16,098/46,990 = 34.3%troet.cafe 12,748/39,331 = 32.4%If you&#39;re categorizing these as small instances based on their MAUs (instead of overall users), then by my count there are only 6 such &quot;non-small&quot; instances.

(DIR) Post #AVKIclLvWFjb3f6u5g by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T23:04:45Z

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@pevohr @fediversenews Fair. I was trying to give an impression of the shape of the data. From memory, these are the outliers in terms of size. Generally, there’s a clear pattern that higher MAU ratio instances are on the smaller end. I don’t follow what you mean by 6 non-small instances?

(DIR) Post #AVKIclrpbdFsec2Nou by pevohr@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T23:19:43Z

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@maegul @fediversenews Just that fed8db only lists 6 instances with MAU &gt;30K MAU, as opposed to 39 with &gt;30k total users.I only skimmed down to the &gt;20k cutoff, but agree that many of the older/larger instances tended to have lower MAUs. Those three outliers definitely outshine their similarly-sized peers. (Unclear why they&#39;re doing a better job at staving off churn.)

(DIR) Post #AVKIcmP9bjuUJxczlA by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T23:20:48.190715Z

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What does MAU stand for?

(DIR) Post #AVKImR6PfDpn9ISzD6 by pevohr@hachyderm.io
2023-05-04T23:22:12Z

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@Tony @maegul @fediversenews monthly average users

(DIR) Post #AVKImRiLOCAx2wDHKi by Tony@clew.lol
2023-05-04T23:22:33.126768Z

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👍🏻 cool , thank you!

(DIR) Post #AVOIbyB57yFjB2V0lM by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2023-05-06T21:39:28.511025Z

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@m 176k Users includes 37k Deactivated Users, their accounts don&#39;t exist anymore139k are Active UsersI noticed deactivated users only lately, hadn&#39;t seen them before