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(DIR) Post #AVGj0Xc24q6tZMnqfA by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-03T02:35:33.260437Z
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I think the biggest mistake done by Dr Stallman was choosing Linux as the kernel for the GNU operating system.And we are facing the consequences of that mistake to this very day.
(DIR) Post #AVGj0YUcnrmMIgLRkv by jamesp@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-03T02:42:20Z
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@colinsmatt11 There's always linux-libre and GNU Hurd. But he chose Linux because Hurd was too complex. So I prefer Linux-libre.
(DIR) Post #AVGj0ZCaAQwOV0uYGu by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-03T02:47:16.107792Z
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@jamesp I'm talking about the historical decision rather than his current setup.There were others kernels, arguably better ones.Hurd turned into a research project in persuite of perfection. But there were other options before that and after that but still we ended up with this.I have a solution thou, but it's nowhere near what I want yet...
(DIR) Post #AVGj0a0ZAavJ02ITBI by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2023-05-03T03:36:46Z
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@colinsmatt11 @jamesp wasn' Linux used for the fact that it was one of the first GPL licensed kernels?#FreeSoftware #Linux
(DIR) Post #AVGj0ayTZqqTzqKJYu by jamesp@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-03T03:39:46Z
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@nicemicro @colinsmatt11 Yes, but there are blobs in the kernel, mainly proprietary driver interfaces for network and graphics cards. linux-libre removes them all.
(DIR) Post #AVHocBG6KVu6ApGv8y by hochata@emacs.ch
2023-05-03T18:35:08Z
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@colinsmatt11 @jamesp What were the other options? I thought most other kernels had license issues, but I don't know much about GNU history...
(DIR) Post #AVHofiKFqOLtb7tpWS by hochata@emacs.ch
2023-05-03T18:35:46Z
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@colinsmatt11 @jamesp What is your solution?
(DIR) Post #AVI2J3CHTefn1kG144 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-03T18:46:34.831176Z
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@hochata @jamesp Mach, which is being used in Hurd.There was a project before Hurd named after RMS' gf at the time but it got cancelled in favour of Hurd I think, I don't exactly have the details.BSD kernel could have been used but I think the AT&T lawsuit was one of the reasons why it didn't.And some other existing kernel could be used but I'm not sure about them, I will check their history later.
(DIR) Post #AVI2J3uEqDppE4p7a4 by hochata@emacs.ch
2023-05-03T21:08:33Z
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@colinsmatt11 @jamesp I didn't know about Match (I barely even knew about the existend of Hurd), thanks for the info!IIRC, if BSD didn't had those legal problems, Linux wouldn't even have been created. We could be living in a BSD dominated world. Although I think their architechture is similar to that of Linux, so maybe that wouldn't have many advantages over Linux?
(DIR) Post #AVI2KuSCxGkCURarM8 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-03T18:48:13.016743Z
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@hochata @jamesp Make a Lisp Machine - that's how I would describe it at the moment.I'm currently studying their schematics to see how they functioned and what it would take to recreate it in a modern way.
(DIR) Post #AVI2VEQvWjzpLnusDI by hochata@emacs.ch
2023-05-03T21:10:23Z
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@colinsmatt11 @jamesp Please share what you've found! I know that Lips Machines existed but it would be very nice to learn more about them.Not sure how viable it would be to recreate one, but the only way to be sure would be to try :P
(DIR) Post #AVLNEOGiO5GpRWpXJQ by mapcar@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-05T09:44:13Z
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@colinsmatt11 @screwtape I am pretty sure that GNU Hurd was the original plan; if it is Linux now, it has been forced upon GNU by the neverending development story of the Hurd kernel.Should we criticize Stallman, it should be for the decision to start the GNU project with doing GCC and friends. It is a big question if the Linux kernel (and countless other free C-based UNIX utilities) had happened at all, if not for there being a gratis high-quality C development system.
(DIR) Post #AVLNEP3dSCOztFibZ2 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T10:15:02.753381Z
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@mapcar @screwtape I would criticize Dr Stallman and I do, afterall it was his decision to make a Unix clone because it seemed like a sane base to him at that time.
(DIR) Post #AVLNEPryR2fUPNGo1g by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-05-05T11:47:04.495276Z
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@colinsmatt11 rms didn't set out to make a Unix clone - he set out to write a free software OS, that happens to be mostly compatible with Unix, but GNU's Not Unix.The Unix design of having individual programs that do one task made development feasible - they just have to replace the malware piece by piece and eventually a fully free software OS was made.Unix is a mostly sane OS design and it does work - the main problem is that all Unix implementations were and still are, proprietary malware.
(DIR) Post #AVLQYVbp6aDHrZzKsq by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:02:47.823577Z
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@Suiseiseki I know that I goal was to make a Free software OS but the choice of Unix was a mistake.Nobody can convince me that Unix is even remotely sane OS design. It's incoherent mess of DSLs in name of composiblity.
(DIR) Post #AVLQYWHIcNOFwDOSX2 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-05-05T12:23:53.154931Z
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@colinsmatt11 Replacing Unix with the very different GNU was a mistake?Well, do you know of a good OS design?
(DIR) Post #AVLSKmxryrH3Xpsyxc by screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-05T10:30:54Z
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@colinsmatt11 @mapcar withstanding that to an extent #BSD is better, and that distributions of GNU / linux have courted re-kernelling to openbsd or something, a world without gnu compiler collection and its compiled / host linux kernel would be so radically different to today I don't know what to say about it except that we should obviously use lisp machines whatever the case. I believe GNU Hurd is sort-of actively developed, though I haven't played with it.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKncdXHsraGxXVI by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T10:36:03.389779Z
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@screwtape @mapcar I believe Hyperbola is currently moving away from Linux (-libre) to their own fork of openbsd kernel.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKo63ltQ53Wj2Mi by screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-05-05T10:32:45Z
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@colinsmatt11 @mapcar @pkw how's your tutorial for me on using openbsd's vmm going? Is GNU Hurd possible?
(DIR) Post #AVLSKo9Fa1yJDQDaL2 by sallyNULL@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:23:22.066503Z
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@mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11@screwtape @mapcar > I believe Hyperbola is currently moving away from Linux (-libre) to their own fork of openbsd kernel.That's correct. As a matter of fact they already deblobbed the BSD kernel, they're messing around with userspace now, the release is near.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKp5k4YlA8paIVc by sallyNULL@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:25:11.610894Z
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@mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11@mapcar @screwtape Fun fact, Hyperbola team considers software under the unlicense to be unacceptable and are also removing any software that has it. Made me chuckle when i saw that.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKpk9eJ5OAAUZV2 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:33:24.925560Z
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@sallyNULL @mapcar @screwtape unlicense (without a license) or tihs https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:TheUnlicense
(DIR) Post #AVLSKqLjOb8y2i4a4O by sallyNULL@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:35:10.180129Z
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@mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11@mapcar @screwtape First one.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKr0Ux1km5998c4 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:36:30.052534Z
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@sallyNULL @mapcar @screwtape Makes sense then. Because copyright is given by default and it's all rights reserved unless stated otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKrZwpE6rr5jRrs by sallyNULL@gleasonator.com
2023-05-05T12:40:27.087597Z
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@mapcar @screwtape @colinsmatt11@mapcar @screwtape Pretty sure only the US and a few western countries (Germany?) enforce copyright that way, but then again, there's that Berne bullcrap around so i wouldn't be surprised everyone defaults to all rights reserved.
(DIR) Post #AVLSKs7co133XXULMO by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-05-05T12:44:14.918713Z
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@sallyNULL The Berne Convention applies to most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention?useskin=monobookThe only places I know of where you can publish something "creative" and not have it become automatically proprietary is Palestine.
(DIR) Post #AWIlrk19D0mb7K7vFI by AlgoCompSynth@ravenation.club
2023-06-03T03:22:56Z
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@colinsmatt11 I hurd there was an alternative
(DIR) Post #AWIlrkyLeu8c4vpCWO by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-03T03:29:37.226996Z
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@AlgoCompSynth Hurd is being worked on but it's still won't run on many modern system because amd64 isn't supported yet but some people are running it on actual hardware (i686) so there's still hope and 64 bit support is on the way.But my plan is to move away from the unix paradigm, I'm still in "research" stage so there isn't much to show yet and it would take a decent amount to time to move forward to the next stage.You can see some of my old ideas in the threads, much hasn't changed for now but I don't think it will stay that way.
(DIR) Post #AWIm7DQ8AhaWeWBupU by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2023-06-03T03:22:07.164763Z
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You need a swirlie, asap.