Post AVHy2Ph8BA0I3wUy9I by grishka@friends.grishka.me
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(DIR) Post #AVDldE8g1uAMtwlcAq by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T19:38:52Z
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christine what do you think about bluesky christine what do you think about it
(DIR) Post #AVDldFpxiSNuAU1hHU by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T19:39:39Z
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my precise opinion on this matter is *blood begins pouring from every pore of my body and begins filling the room*
(DIR) Post #AVDmkEben3GCKfEAHQ by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T19:50:17Z
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Regarding "AT was written because ActivityPub can't handle portable content and identity", I wrote up stuff about this *in 2017* https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/final-documents/activitypub-decentralized-distributed.md and wrote a demo on how to do the portable content part https://gitlab.com/spritely/golem/blob/master/README.orgGood luck to the Bluesky / AT folks, truly. The main thing that frustrates me is this claim that AP can't do this though. (The Bluesky folks are aware of this, we both wrote some documents about it together, so they *should* know, that's my main irritation with the FAQ item that says ActivityPub can't do it.)But also: - I am not currently focused on ActivityPub so maybe it's not the best question to direct at me anymore - I am focused on Spritely, which will eventually loop back to AP stuff, but that's not its current focus (it's a bit more general and dare I say a bit more revolutionary to how applications are written than that) - I have never been interested in making a Twitter replacement because I am not convinced a global content space is necessarily a good idea - It's good that almost everyone agrees that decentralized networks are fundamentally necessary now though - I am glad that AT/Bluesky is using DIDs and some other components that really might be truly useful - I am not the best person to ask this question, but I guess I am one of the most obvious people to ask this question
(DIR) Post #AVDqgvE8mjnBAzu6O8 by lathamgreen@ravenation.club
2023-05-01T19:54:18Z
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@cwebber jay graber seems very competent
(DIR) Post #AVDqgvlSmqRmqLUiKO by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T19:54:42Z
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@lathamgreen I actually *do* think that Jay Graber is very competent and I respect her a lot
(DIR) Post #AVDqgwWFyrsTBTO5GS by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T19:55:00Z
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@lathamgreen Jay Graber might be the best part about Bluesky
(DIR) Post #AVDqgxKwwOQXih6ZHM by ehashman@toot.cat
2023-05-01T19:58:26Z
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@cwebber @lathamgreen there are other cool people on the team building it too. I had no idea @bnewbold had left the IA to work on bluesky until I made an account!
(DIR) Post #AVDqgyQItyIv5acMGO by cwebber@octodon.social
2023-05-01T20:14:01Z
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@ehashman @lathamgreen @bnewbold No doubt. The FAQ item claiming AP *couldn't* do it stung though because I spent a large amount of time detailing with Jay about how to do this, we even co-authored a document about it (maybe she didn't write that FAQ item or notice it though, I haven't talked with her about it, and maybe I should instead of just being frustrated about it here...).I think that if they were going to build something that looked so much like decentralized AP, they could have started with the decentralized AP we spent time talking about... or at least not claim that it wasn't possible.But I think there are some positive things coming out of the work, whether or not it succeeds. And again, I like and admire Jay Graber a lot, and I'm glad there are other good people involved. I'm serious when I say I wish the project luck in its particular domain of work, maybe something interesting will come out of it.
(DIR) Post #AVFBQ9qjSTpLndlJfk by ehashman@toot.cat
2023-05-01T20:41:52Z
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@cwebber @lathamgreen @bnewbold Yeah, I am too. The in-group/out-group dynamics are really bothering me and stressing me out. Existing on either masto or bsky feels very "PICK A SIDE, THE OTHER SUCKS" and I just want to critique both and try to build the best thing possible that aligns with community values? And ultimately taking that position makes me feel like I'm personally unwelcome wherever I go. (I mean, I'm not even posting this from Mastodon! I'm on a glitchsoc server!) The whole thing just stings.
(DIR) Post #AVFBQATN8ojfjTqAts by bnewbold@social.coop
2023-05-01T21:14:24Z
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@ehashman @cwebber @lathamgreen sucks if it feels like you have to align with one side or another.I suspect at a technical level all of these projects are going to be borrowing and learning from each other. I'm not sure if the same will be true of social dynamics: maybe everything merges in to a one happy blob. but maybe the values and vibes will reify and amplify a with-us/against-us dynamic. I hope not!
(DIR) Post #AVFBQB8Ufvd3n150zo by bnewbold@social.coop
2023-05-01T21:42:53Z
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@ehashman @cwebber @lathamgreen I think of this @ftrain quote every day:> They fix bicycles, then they talk about fixing bicycles, then they show their friend, who just came over for no reason, how they fixed their bicycle, and their friend says, “Wow, good job,” and they make tea.I love that, "it me", it is so mastodon, and so not (current) bluesky.https://www.wired.com/story/god-did-us-a-favor-by-destroying-twitter/
(DIR) Post #AVFBRlthTzcU5nv6BM by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-05-02T12:06:46.172874Z
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oh hey, I didn’t read this before“But when I go back and read Genesis, I hear God saying: “My children, I designed your brains to scale to 150 stable relationships. Anything beyond that is overclocking. You should all try Mastodon.”“this goes so damn hard
(DIR) Post #AVFBosdyZ9VNg0aH7g by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-05-02T12:10:52.986106Z
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“Happy people, the kind who eat sandwiches together, are boring. They don’t buy much. Their smartphones are six versions behind and have badly cracked screens. They fix bicycles, then they talk about fixing bicycles, then they show their friend, who just came over for no reason, how they fixed their bicycle, and their friend says, “Wow, good job,” and they make tea. That doesn’t seem like enough to build a town square on.“honestly? yeah, I notice this a lot more lately ‒ a few years ago I could have justified it like “hey, you shouldn’t miss out on this/that, the gap is HUGE, it just makes sense”… but, even my edgy advanced lifestyle is becoming commoditized, and so I can kinda relate to that #normie perspective now?
(DIR) Post #AVHy2Ph8BA0I3wUy9I by grishka@friends.grishka.me
2023-05-01T20:03:11Z
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The portable identity people always, inevitably forget one simple truth: the identity and the means of accessing it should be separable. I've explained them way too many times that a public key is not a viable form of identity. They still keep insisting on using public keys as identifiers. The fatal flaw of the use of cryptographic keys for identity is that- Once leaked, it can't be revoked to prevent further unauthorized access and impersonation- Once lost, it can't be recovered and a new key pair, thus a new identity, is required This stuff is non-negotiable really. I worked at VK, they have an entire department dedicated to restoring people's access to their accounts. People are terrible with passwords and they will be even more terrible with private keys.
(DIR) Post #AVHy2QPRWPRuHNEMDY by cuchaz@gladtech.social
2023-05-01T20:39:08Z
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@grishka yeah! I'm trying to design a decentralized identity system and I keep struggling with this problem too. If the using the pubkey as the identity is the problem, then what's the solution? And solutions that appeal to some centralized authority to resolve the issue aren't allowed, because, well ... decentralized. How can we do better?
(DIR) Post #AVHy2QzbLyNA5W9EZs by dmitri@social.coop
2023-05-03T19:45:29Z
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@cuchaz @grishka ok, but also, use DIDs (Decentralized Identifiers). Like, start with did:web (which is just a well-formatted JSON object that lives on a domain).
(DIR) Post #AVHy2RSfbtcnXfkRt2 by cuchaz@gladtech.social
2023-05-03T20:03:04Z
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@dmitri @grishka DNS is technically disqualified here because it's a centralized authority. But despite that, it may be the best option we have. The trouble is, the DNS system isn't really accessible to most people, so the UX isn't great there.Most of the other DID resolvers are blockchains (ugh), so I'm trying to find something better. It may not exist though. If we're not going to use pubkeys as ids directly, then something like `user@domain` may be the best we can do.