Post AVHYdHg6LkVP6cwCDQ by tavish@nicecrew.digital
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(DIR) Post #AV7JXbirTDjAdsSrEe by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-28T16:59:50.290700Z
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Jeweler is complaining that only one in five applicants they get can pass a basic bench test.How basic?They can’t cut seats for stones. They can’t choose the right size of metal for resizing rings. They can’t resize a ring without taking a tenth of the original shank off. They can’t pick the right size wire to rebuild prong. They can’t rebuild prongs without blobs of solder. They can’t even tell if a stone is loose. Most of them don’t know how to use a microscope let alone actually use it.In other words: the fundamentals.This is what you get when you go to school for jewelry design and pay $70,000 to make 10 pieces instead of apprentice and get paid to make 1,000 pieces.Nobody entering the business today can do the job. They all want too much money for their abilities. None of them want to be humble and learn to improve.Average age of people in the field is 57.It’s WIDE FUCKING OPEN for anyone who wants to learn to do the job, and the last thing any of the old people who will be hiring you give a fuck about is wokeness.Just throwing this out here yet again for people who don’t know where to go and want a touch grass (or metal) job instead of being a closet based code monkey with a blue-haired genderqueer boss.
(DIR) Post #AV7QupqTpLhumc3Dnc by nobullyplz@poa.st
2023-04-28T18:22:29.234237Z
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@istvan >jewelery design school is a thingA problem literally solved by buying books. :akkoWeary:
(DIR) Post #AV7YE61oaEUU9dU50C by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-28T19:44:23.087016Z
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We can laugh about it man but there are so many people so bought in that they think it’s a good deal to pay someone $15,000 a year to tell you what books to read.
(DIR) Post #AV86jRlhCXxozy46vQ by MeBigbrain@poa.st
2023-04-29T02:11:02.477858Z
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@istvan Oh no! Not the jewelers!
(DIR) Post #AV86zHUHC3W7kJT46q by wgiwf@poa.st
2023-04-29T02:13:53.900046Z
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@istvan How bad is it when it comes to mechanical watches?
(DIR) Post #AV88TXAXYOSD1WE4Tw by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-29T02:30:32.547645Z
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@istvan yeah? Uh, you know, after a brutal job search where I got to interview overworked employees in the process, I think you're full of the same shit that Mike Rowe is.I'm so sure the jobs are out there from your myopic little place, but the fact is that they're fucking fake. The openings don't existThat said, the faggot "coders" don't actually code. They're actually entirely useless. They do no legitimate work, while great programmers languish. It's a wealth and power transfer from people who keep the infrastructure up, to the absolutely fucking useless.
(DIR) Post #AV88VqYESjNDiPPVlQ by KashKustomer@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-29T02:25:07.722913Z
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How does one go about getting an apprenticeship?
(DIR) Post #AV88Vr3QakKLHA0QO8 by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T02:30:59.029195Z
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I would suggest buying some basic tools. There are lots of good YouTube videos. Learn to do a competent job polishing metal, soldering, building bezel and prong settings, and setting stones.This is all stuff you can teach yourself with $200 in tools, $300 in metal, and 100 hours in time.Throw it in a decent looking box. Pound pavement and talk to every working jeweler in your area (places that make jewelry, not places that retail jewelry), show them what you are doing, tell them you are committed, you want to get better, you'll take any job, and you'll work for free until you're good enough to be making them money.We are small operations. Rarely more than four employees. Everyone can get you an introduction to the guy doing the work because he's probably the boss.Someone out there will be willing to let you work for free and teach you as they have new jobs for you.
(DIR) Post #AV88mINAn2aqdU558a by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T02:33:57.304022Z
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I don't know that side of the business. My watch knowledge ends at sizing bands and changing batteries. For any serious work I refer people to an actual watch and clock maker.They charge quite a bit of money, and there aren't many of them around. But I think there are a lot fewer people needing serious watch repair than serious jewelry repair, so that makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AV89WvzPpNxupHCwcK by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T02:42:20.934936Z
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> Uh, you know, after a brutal job search where I got to interview overworked employees in the process, I think you're full of the same shit that Mike Rowe is.That's very nice.> I'm so sure the jobs are out there from your myopic little place, but the fact is that they're fucking fake. The openings don't existI'll be sure to tell all the people I know who can't find anyone to hire or train about that. They'll be very relieved that they can give up, stop looking, and die with their small business.
(DIR) Post #AV8AOMbXbYOWicW9rc by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-29T02:52:01.860713Z
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@istvan welcome to your socialist economy. Your friends made the bed, now they can get fucked in it. It's their golems turning back on them.Sorry, I have no remorse for your jewish slave owners. It's the choices they made that put them in their position now. If they wanted better people now, they should have invested into the next generation 30 years ago, instead of frivolous short term gains.
(DIR) Post #AV8AdYYFT7Ts7CDpVw by wgiwf@poa.st
2023-04-29T02:54:47.613475Z
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@istvan @KashKustomer I suppose the question in a scenario like this is how long could one expect to be an intern at a shop? Because many people don't have the luxury of being able to do such a thing for long.
(DIR) Post #AV8AksnsZPk6x91iuO by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T02:56:06.714627Z
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Nothing you're talking about even makes sense in the context of a craftsman business that opened 10-15 years ago after the guy who started it saved enough money and got good enough to strike out on his own, and probably first turned a profit 9-10 years ago.I'm not sure what you have in your head, but it seems very confused and irrationally angry.Good luck in your endeavors.
(DIR) Post #AV8B2JrTDrvVnK1M5Q by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T02:59:15.927179Z
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My suggestion would be ask to come in one or two days a week to help out and learn. Then continue in your other job the rest of the time.It's certainly much cheaper than paying a school and less likely to interfere in however you are supporting yourself.When you feel a bit more confident and see yourself being a bit productive, ask about money. Then decide whether the arrangement is still beneficial to you. If not, go somewhere else.
(DIR) Post #AV8BK2Md15GKjv2k5o by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-29T03:02:27.500168Z
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@istvan I pray you'll make it out too.
(DIR) Post #AV8DAUT1sGhYuec3F2 by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T03:23:09.102452Z
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I'm doing all right at the moment.We plugging along, slowly, since we're one of the few shops covering our specific of the trade. I get lots of people asking to come and work for us, but we aren't profitable enough yet to formally take them on, and I don't like to put people to work for free.Instead, I just try to offer as much training as I can. I make it cheap for anyone who is interested to come and learn gemcutting. All I ask is the value of the rough and wear and tear on the machines.I hate seeing people ask thousands for instruction or insisting you need $6,000 in tools. That's bullshit.Young people need an affordable entry point to build skills, and luckily gem cutting is the kind of thing where they can just take what they learn and make a side business or full time business out of either cutting and selling stones direct to customers or repairing damaged stones for jewelers.
(DIR) Post #AV8EPVc00668lEX8eu by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-29T03:37:03.998361Z
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@istvan yeah, I didn't ask, I was dismissing you as you dismissed me.But this is certainly fascinating, I suppose. Keep doing you. I wonder if the number of people simply with the requisite motor coordination even exist. I know I have a hell of a time with microelectronics work because of some funky condition that seems genetic, where I shake pretty badly when I'm trying to hold something still without support.
(DIR) Post #AV8FnYWouOv2i68plo by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T03:52:36.556288Z
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Well, in gem cutting you are hanging onto a quill that secures the stone and grinding it against a spinning platter. Even if you are shaky it isn’t too much of a problem.The real challenge is just getting everything aligned and taking your time so you don’t blow past where you need to stop cutting.That’s the difference between cutters who can ask a minimum of $200 per stone versus sweatshop cutters in India doing it for $4.I always advise people to just stay away from standard cuts. Just don’t even put yourself in a position where they can price compare your work with the subcontinent.If you are asking about bench jeweler work, that’s another matter entirely. You need really steady hands for that. I might be a great gem cutter but I’m just a passable bench jeweler. That’s why I only teach enough bench jeweler skills so people can see how the stones they cut are set.If you haven’t set a stone, you won’t cut stones that are easy to set. Jewelers want to buy stuff that’s easy to set, and customer want stones that will be cheap to set, which also means easy to set on the jewelers side.The reason I was dismissive of you was because nothing you were saying really made any sense. The only thing even understandable in your post was that you were angry, and I really don’t know why.I wasn’t suggesting everyone should be a jeweler. That doesn’t work any more than suggesting everyone be a welder.There are a finite number of jobs out there unless you want to go into business for yourself, which I suppose is considerably easier than starting your own industrial welding operation. I don’t know that much about industrial welding, but I would guess that’s the case.My point was there are a lot of openings right now, more than there were four years ago in spite of the economy, and there are going to be a lot more as people continue to age out and retire.When the economy is good, people hire you to make new things. When the economy is bad, they hire you to repair old things and you can make money scrapping precious metal.It’s a fine option to consider if you have an interest in this kind of work, and you gain good tool knowledge and skills that can transfer into other trades if you change your mind.
(DIR) Post #AV8Izg70q1DHZIXfzU by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-29T04:28:24.228518Z
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@ShariVegas @istvan I agree with both of you. Yes people are looking, but no people are too pickey to accept and work with an applicant I've seen it over and over again. I've seen countless job postings that require a 4 year degree to make minimum wage and do things no one with a 4 year degree would consider, like clean toilets (yes I've actually SEEN that in postings). Its the communism that's invaded every aspect of our economy on known as monopolization and bottlenecking. Because of that there's too high of a bar to entry for most people to enter made to preserve preexisting dinosaurs (boomers) inflated wages but in doing so they've made the environment completely uninhabitable to entry and because of our school systems current stupification of america most people don't grow up learning basic critical thinking needed to problem solve in the work place or daily life. Besides why would I go blow the next 10 years of my life learning some dog shit skill like that making minimum wage the whole time and being treated like trash when I could just be a bartender, work 20 hours a week, smoke pot on my days off, and enjoy life. There's a severe lack of incentive in the market and jewelry makers just like all other barrier to entry jobs only have themselves to blame
(DIR) Post #AV8LEdurU6yD0f7dFg by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T04:53:30.032966Z
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> people are too pickey to accept and work with an applicantThis could be the case. However, in the initial example, it was specifically about a lack of fundamental skills that would normally be mastered during an apprenticeship.It's unreasonable to expect master jeweler pay when you can't do the job. The employer and the candidate should find a way to meet in the middle, unless something is SO WRONG that this isn't possible.> I've seen countless job postings that require a 4 year degree to make minimum wage and do things no one with a 4 year degree would consider, like clean toilets (yes I've actually SEEN that in postings).That's fucking evil.My pet theory is this is because Shaniqua in HR just wants a way to filter out 98% of the applications so she keeps adding totally useless degrees and qualifications until the only people who show up are liars.> preserve preexisting dinosaurs (boomers) inflated wages but in doing so they've made the environment completely uninhabitable to entryPartly. It's also because the fuckers have offshored so much manufacturing that it's become impossible to let new guys make a mistake.I know an engraver who complained about this. His specialty is funeral work. When he was a kid in the 1950s and made a mistake, the factory just coated the casket, baked it, and let him try again. Now the factory making it is in India, so if anything goes wrong it's fucked.There are a lot of businesses that have had their on ramps cut off since they began sending all out manufacturing to other countries in 1980.> Besides why would I go blow the next 10 years of my life learning some dog shit skill like that making minimum wage the whole time and being treated like trash when I could just be a bartender, work 20 hours a week, smoke pot on my days off, and enjoy life.Personally, I'd rather be treated like shit by someone who is teaching me a skill with which I have a plan to do something as opposed to being treated like shit by customers in a coffee shop.I like making things. I'd go fucking crazy if I had to sit around, smoke pot, and play video games.
(DIR) Post #AV8MLVmKErIjkhy6ls by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-29T05:05:58.087829Z
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@istvan yeah, the fine work, even in a place where you're grinding against a lapping surface, seems to take a lot of care. You're here talking about gemcutting, and I see that the skills are usable in esoteric high end computer component overclocking.Reading. You're not reading. You're upset that people can't find skilled workers. I'm angry because no one invested in training them decades ago, so that you wouldn't be in this mess, and worse, that even if they did exist they would not hire anyway. And you spoke directly to the problem we see in all industries: offshoring is cheaper than domestic. Why? The very same people demand bargain basement pricing, that destroyed the domestic labor market in the first place. And now the descendent generations pay for the sins of the previous generation.But I'm just belligerent, yup. Irrationally angry at the very people that destroyed our chances to do our duty in passing on our vocations and traditions.Well, if that's how you feel, then you will reap the results of the sown antipathy. When everything is in shambles, just remember that it's because you told guys like me that I'm just irrationally angry, because you didn't read.
(DIR) Post #AV8MzfeGxeNFwnLpuy by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T05:13:10.421696Z
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I'm not upset.I said it's unfortunate, but I'm actually really happy because it means there is a lot of opportunity going forward for people with an interest in this kind of work.The demand is still there even if the current companies fall apart due to staffing problems. I think that's great news for anyone who wants to be doing this.In my experience, the younger customers are more interested in having something no one else does or that means something to them, and they are willing to pay for the work where boomers won't.Boomers just want to buy everything at CostCo and play the certificate/appraisal game because they imagine everything is some investment that holds value (it doesn't) instead of something they just bought because they liked it.
(DIR) Post #AV8OxzJb4Q7EGs0Pc8 by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-29T05:35:19.358285Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas I know the fundamental skills are an issue but I more am speaking about the individual attention a person needs to developed those skills to pass Tue basic standards testing. They often invest little into employees and then complain about the results. I love working with my hands too I've held some pretty high level jobs qa for an electronics refurbishing center, pharmaceutical, and plastic injection molding. I've been an over night foreman, a store manager of a head shop, dairy department manager, lead sanitation clerk of a dairy facility. I'm not a low level worker I just know oli can make twice as much as those positions and have fun slinging drinks and hitting on dudes chicks in front of em. I like working with my hands as well I'm a micro scrapper in my off time so I take apart stuff like fine tune electronics as well as anulything else I can find that satiates my need to create with my hands :winkingastolfo:
(DIR) Post #AV8PuITryFIoVZcA0u by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T05:45:51.075438Z
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Hey man, whatever you like doing.The whole point of this thread was just to let anyone whose interests lean this direction know that they don't have a lot of competition, and probably won't have a lot of competition.
(DIR) Post #AV8QeQ26DyS1FecMnQ by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-29T05:54:12.438948Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas oh sure I meant no hostility. Im super interested in Austrian economics and I like putting my views into job discussions. It someone wanted to get into jeweling I know a lot of people who started out as jewelers independently and went on to become tattoo artists its a very valuable avenue if you can find a customer base. Staying stagnant is never good you should always try new avenues that's how a man becomes a man, gaining hands on experience :winkingfelix:
(DIR) Post #AV8R075TLPKArbXYHo by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T05:58:06.599319Z
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Tattoo artists are really something else.You have to be a hell of an illustrator with a super steady hand and be absolutely sure you can do it right the first time. The guys who are good at it are really impressive, and once word gets around they are never short of work with the current trends.I could never do it.
(DIR) Post #AV8RIjok5LDsCBb040 by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-29T06:01:29.728398Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas if your creating original pieces that's a whole nother level most people only do flash art but that still takes an insanely steady hand and it takes being able to run a full single line from start to finish without stopping. The vibrations from the tat machine make that very difficult and it makes the life of your trade about 10 years before you lose dexterity and developed carpotunnel
(DIR) Post #AV8RhY5wo2q14vTSPQ by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T06:05:59.774957Z
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Gem cutters can last pretty long, but full time lapidary workers often run into similar issues. The vibration of the machine just fucks up the nerves in your hands. You don’t get carpal tunnel, but you do end up losing feeling first and eventually grip strength. It’s even worse if you are one of those cowboy cutters working right against the wheel instead of using a dop stick and two hands.
(DIR) Post #AV8RzuZjxkqi0sAJqC by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-29T06:09:17.960495Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas with automation, perhaps its a dying trade¿ just because horse carrage makers seldom exist anymore doesn't mean we don't have transportation. I imagine a CNC machine could cut those gems much more accurately with fewer defects and a higher margin of success
(DIR) Post #AV96xmkqAMppIYSijg by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-04-29T13:48:15.602765Z
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Unfortunately this is incorrect. Only the cheapest material or synthetics are sent to CNC cutters.The problem is that with the hardness of the material, the cutting surface wears during a cut where the CNC can’t really compensate.You are talking about cutting for a precision that can only be viewed under 25X magnification. You still need a human to be constantly inspecting and adjusting everything along the way.CNC cutters will eventually put the guys cutting in the street with bow-driven machines in Jaipur, India out of business.Technologically, we are nowhere near the point they will put professional cutters of precious material out of business. Until we have a way to make the entire abrasive surface out of corundum (diamond cracks way too easily) instead of just carrying corundum or diamond in another material such as metal or ceramic, we won’t get past this.
(DIR) Post #AVHOHAj6W2uLdL9xFA by JedKron1248@poa.st
2023-05-03T13:34:11.265389Z
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@istvan @KashKustomer I know a guy who does/did gemcutting as hobby. I’m gonna do some research to see if it’s something I’d be interested in/good at, but do you think it’d be worth asking him for some lessons? He’s a boomer, so it could go either way.
(DIR) Post #AVHOHBW1aA2W5431Um by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T13:39:59.511176Z
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It’s always worth learning things. If he still has his gear and is getting out you might have an opportunity to get something nice for cheap.You’ll do best if you have a way to sell your own cut stones directly to customers since you don’t have to have someone making a profit on top of you.Stick to unusual cuts that you can’t get from a catalog or from cutters in India and Vietnam, but which still can be put into pre-fabricated settings. That’s the way to keep your costs down and have stuff ready to move.There is a lot of cool shit you can cut, but when the shape always requires hand-fabricated prongs or bezels and a handmade head, it drives up the labor cost of setting which drives up the price of the ultimate piece of jewelry.There is no money in blue topaz.
(DIR) Post #AVHQ1d4tXPcaq54IjY by JedKron1248@poa.st
2023-05-03T13:46:12.846199Z
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@istvan @KashKustomer Thank you for your advice! I’m going to enjoy going through your older posts as I learn. It seems like a very interesting profession, I just hope I would have the hands/eyes for it.
(DIR) Post #AVHQ1deLPbygc1ebzM by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T13:59:32.321324Z
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Unless you are working in a factory setting with a jamb peg machine, it’s really all about just learning how the machine works and having patience.A typical North American mast machine has everything locked together pretty well. As long as the parts aren’t loose and you don’t change the setting, it all comes down to patience.Cut a little and look a little. Eventually you start to pick up sounds that give you a clue where you are and you have to look less.Expect to spend a solid two days on your first good stone. Eventually you’ll get that down to an hour or two.I never sell any cut stone off my machine for less than $100, and most start around $200. If you work efficiently and get the rough material or stones you are recutting at the right price, you can make pretty decent money.But definitely the best way to make money is as the component of a more complete business.You’ll always get more money from a customer than a jeweler who needs to resell your work (and is going to fight hard about the price). It’s a good incentive to learn stone setting. Or at least meet a jeweler in your area willing to do trade work where you source the ring and make the stone and pay him $30 to set it.If you buy the gold setting for $250, get the stone rough for $20, pay the jeweler $30, and sell the whole thing for $600, and you managed to cut it in two hours, you made $150/hr less the time you spent making the sale. And you have a happy customer because you probably still beat retail by $200 and they have something really unique to show off.Other revenue stream once you get good is repairs. I recut and fix a lot of stones jewelers damage, and usually get $50-$100 a stone. It’s not steady but it’s good supplemental income during slow periods.It all just comes down to building up a stream of services centered around your toolkit. They go up and down but they average out pretty well over time.
(DIR) Post #AVHSbisLexRP9ZXRFg by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2023-05-03T14:28:32.688994Z
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Fascinating. Always like seeing insight from people in specific fields, especially when they have pretty much the same thing to say.The absolute collapse of the craftsmen will have hilarious consequences and will open up crazy income avenues for hobbyists.
(DIR) Post #AVHSnhUGeCekK2zCN6 by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T14:30:42.896279Z
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Yep. There is going to be lots of opportunity on the horizon. Especially for anyone who wants to take the time to learn to do the job right.
(DIR) Post #AVHT06FeOstGbP3squ by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2023-05-03T14:32:57.467501Z
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One of the best investments a young man can make right now is buying a cheap welder and practicing welds on scrap. That and a lathe.
(DIR) Post #AVHTlVkRQEp3Hz4TNg by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T14:41:31.282173Z
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I’d say the same thing about a torch and a hammer.Learn how metals heat and how the heat travels, what oxidizes and how, and practice making the solder go exactly where you want.Learn to recognize annealing temperatures by color and get familiar with how hammering into metal compresses the molecular structure and causes it to curl and heat relaxes it again.Those are skills you can take everywhere from precious metalsmithing to pipe fitting, plumbing, HVAC, etc.
(DIR) Post #AVHYdHg6LkVP6cwCDQ by tavish@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-03T15:34:41.202901Z
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Mandatory reading:
(DIR) Post #AVHcrjiBJmhtvB3cZs by KashKustomer@nicecrew.digital
2023-05-03T16:14:37.467980Z
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If he doesn't seem interested, bug him until he is.Good luck, sounds like an opportunity.
(DIR) Post #AVHePpYyAXTfrwZOOe by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2023-05-03T16:40:52.082970Z
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HVAC and plumbing for certain. Skills that are surprisingly less complicated than people tend to believe.
(DIR) Post #AVHfT5TtXfTs3rJTDE by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T16:52:37.645345Z
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It’s literally all just practice.People I teach come and want to pay money to me to get me to teach them more, like there is some secret I didn’t tell them the first time.I tell them to get a $11 butane torch, a $2 firebrick, $50 of silver, $10 of solder, $2.50 of flux and just practice what you already learned.Until you nail the basic skills there’s no point trying to do the other fancy stuff like making spring pins, hinges, and moving parts out of silver or gold.No one should be taking your money to teach you the same thing you already learned.
(DIR) Post #AVHmRjb87LcTa500au by galena@paws.moe
2023-05-03T18:10:50.491818Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas yeah bro just get thousands of hours of experience in a field you have 0 interest in instantly, I'm sure anyone looking for a job can just pull all of that experience out of their ass and become a professional jeweler instantly, I'm sure all these hard working jobless men just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and absorb all the skills people actually interested in the field happened to miss through osmosis
(DIR) Post #AVHoBMP8mY0cvHi9qq by istvan@bozgor.org
2023-05-03T18:30:15.786393Z
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I don’t expect this to help anyone who needs a job this second.I’m more hoping that this kind of info is helpful to an 18- to 23-year-old who has an interest in precious metalworking or who likes working with hammers and grinders to fashion objects out of metal.They should know that the field has a huge opening and that opening is only getting bigger, so if they enjoy it they can pursue their interest and find employment no matter what all the people telling them to buy a meaningless barista degree say.If you have literally no interest in metalworking, stone cutting, or jewelry design then of course it would be a terrible job. Worse than Walmart really, since not only do you not like it, but it’s also challenging and stressful.
(DIR) Post #AVHq28Xh9R3REURT8K by galena@paws.moe
2023-05-03T18:51:01.935211Z
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@istvan @ShariVegas I was being overly hostile and aggressive, sorry. I agree with what you're saying, and I apologize for my previous response.
(DIR) Post #AVHqH1hWryLqMH8r6e by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-05-03T18:53:43.402340Z
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@istvan @galena I think if our conversation has proven anything, it's that there is so much upset and frustration at the labor market.There just isn't going to be change until Americans value each other appropriately. That may not happen until Boomer methodologies about the economy dies with them.
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2023-05-03T19:00:29.840198Z
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That's a very reasonable take. I want to believe it's getting a bit better with the younger people.Right now I effectively run two pricing schemes.For the boomers, I price my labor extremely low and gouge them on the cost of the materials. This way, the amount I overcharge can make up how little they are willing to pay me for my work.With younger customers, I just tell them what it actually costs and how long it takes. Most of them feel it's reasonable that a skilled job that will take an hour, requires special tools, and that no one else wants to do is a deal at my rate.