Post AVBlFeO8OZBL2uppqq by voltrina@cybercriminal.eu
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 (DIR) Post #AVBkjDDzqxAhX7cqLw by TheEvilSkeleton@fosstodon.org
       2023-04-30T20:22:53Z
       
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       Shout out to nano devs for protecting user freedom: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/nano-devel/2023-04/msg00003.htmlTL;DR: an Apple dev (not on the behalf of Apple) asked nano to relicense the code to a permissive license to pre-install it in macOS. The nano devs politely refused and stated that they'll stick with GPLI'm a strong supporter of protecting user freedom and openness, as I'm no fan closed-source software. Permissive licenses often enable entities to use these software to exploit users and it disgusts me.Huge GPL W
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBkpyBg9zHQvGlPPc by voltrina@cybercriminal.eu
       2023-04-30T20:24:32.440307Z
       
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       wait i thought macOS already shipped with nano by default
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBlDKd2tDXzBShi6K by TheEvilSkeleton@fosstodon.org
       2023-04-30T20:28:23Z
       
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       @voltrina no, they use pico instead. macOS used to ship bash, but swapped it with zsh, because zsh is under MIT and bash is under GPLv3
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBlFeO8OZBL2uppqq by voltrina@cybercriminal.eu
       2023-04-30T20:29:11.815372Z
       
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       ah, i remember 10.4 shipping with nano, probably removed from newer versions
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBlqSGERomk9EgkM4 by n0toose@chaos.social
       2023-04-30T20:35:17Z
       
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       @TheEvilSkeleton @voltrina I tutor students in the second semester of their studies with C++, and they have to use Eclipse. Eclipse uses gdb by default. In macOS, gdb was replaced with lldb, which doesn't work with Eclipse. You can install gdb using e.g. Homebrew, but it's impossible to use it with Eclipse unless if it's code-signed or if you disable the security module that checks whether it's code-signed.Immensely painful, the organizers told them to just use Xcode.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBoB17GlWH1wyQeGG by TheEvilSkeleton@fosstodon.org
       2023-04-30T20:40:00Z
       
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       If you couldn't tell, I dislike permissive licenses. I would prefer to use weak copyleft licenses over them.This also worries me when I hear about Rust rewrites. I'm a huge supporter of rewriting programs in Rust for increased security, but these rewrites are often licensed under some permissive license. GNU coreutils is under the GPLv3, but uutils coreutils (Rust rewrite) under MIT. Nothing fundamentally wrong with the project, though, to be clear
       
 (DIR) Post #AVBrrQaIlUiOxnvI3M by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
       2023-04-30T21:41:29Z
       
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       I hope nano devs say them fuck off. if the applecores are so tough as their PR brags they can easily write their own editor. can't they?