Post AVBl6ksssFn2aQyb8y by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
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(DIR) Post #AVBT89GttDQPKyizGC by jamesp@linuxrocks.online
2023-04-30T17:02:28Z
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How do you feel about #BlueSky not federating with the #fediverse over #ActivityPub?
(DIR) Post #AVBT8AK7yhbIbHF4vg by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-04-30T17:05:02.389Z
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@jamesp@linuxrocks.online I'm betting my karma on BlueSky is cringe from the start and will always stay that way.
(DIR) Post #AVBTDPIxhomGVmCEjY by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-04-30T17:07:04.348Z
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@jamesp@linuxrocks.online I think it's a good thing.
(DIR) Post #AVBTG1TAmVCdSMDg8m by jamesp@linuxrocks.online
2023-04-30T17:05:53Z
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@gabriel What's cringe about BlueSky other than not supporting ActivityPub?
(DIR) Post #AVBTG1xex9aayuU1ey by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-04-30T17:07:33.937Z
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@jamesp@linuxrocks.online Anything that claims to be decentralized but doesn't equip it's users with the knowledge and/or tools to actually improve that decentralization is inherently cringe.Open Protocols + Free Software is the way, any deviation is heresy.
(DIR) Post #AVBTsc4n7uZvziDUrw by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-04-30T17:14:32.031Z
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@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks It's not even decentralized outside of "trusted" entities able to host "nodes", essentially off-loading hosting. That's about it. The hosts have zero autonomy or control, you're not able to deploy a server at will and build/manage a community on it. @jamesp@linuxrocks.online
(DIR) Post #AVBUZP0baSb1uzf7Am by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-04-30T17:09:05.824245Z
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@gabriel @jamesp It doesn't have any decentralisation features yet, the url think is already possible in Takahe if you care about that.
(DIR) Post #AVBZwzYONaVNgwX8DY by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-30T18:22:06Z
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@colinsmatt11What URL thing?@jamesp @gabriel
(DIR) Post #AVBhQHAoeEwcPoPtMO by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-30T19:46:14Z
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@adizThe hosts shouldn't have autonomy and control. The *users* should. The whole point is to "separate speech from reach", which I interpret as letting users be independent from the server hosting and federating their posts.It doesn't look good if they're "trusted" though. But maybe that's just a testing thing and it will open up once it's stable. Idk.@gabriel @jamesp
(DIR) Post #AVBhkxLRZ7Bh01FTua by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-04-30T19:50:00.986Z
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@Hyolobrika@berserker.town But the users don't get that autonomy either. They're still beholden to the system, algorithms, moderation decisions, in a centralized way. it allows BS to pay lip service to decentralization, without actually giving away the power in the system.@gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jamesp@linuxrocks.online
(DIR) Post #AVBiB3Xn8iS5krTBnE by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-04-30T19:54:41.210Z
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@Hyolobrika@berserker.town And, by the way, the Fediverse already has solutions to this problem: single user instances are a thing that anyone can do if they so desire. @gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks @jamesp@linuxrocks.online
(DIR) Post #AVBl522Q7qqBD1cCeW by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-30T20:27:16Z
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@adizHow so? I thought you could choose your algorithm.@gabriel @jamesp
(DIR) Post #AVBl6ksssFn2aQyb8y by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-30T20:27:34Z
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@adizNot a default.@gabriel @jamesp
(DIR) Post #AVCBD9yz4MXGyQXnyS by lnxw37b2@shitposter.club
2023-05-01T01:20:04.414051Z
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@jamesp There are good reasons for them not to choose AP for federation. For example, see their blog post. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/3-6-2022-a-self-authenticating-social-protocol The biggest issue I see is that they launched without working federation at all. Federation is such a major thing, It changes the whole character of the network, and the more spread out the users are on different servers, the better it is. (Having big official instances is a BAD thing for the network as a whole.) Another thing is a close second: as I understand it, BlueSky's server software is designed only for Amazon's AWS cloud. Until they change it or there are other implementations that don't have this limitation, this puts the whole network at the mercy of a single corporation.If BlueSky turns out to be worthwhile, I'm sure someone will build a bridge, just as happened with Nostr. Or maybe servers from both sides of the gap will add support for the other protocol. Or these networks will appeal to far different audiences without much overlap. The big thing is that the Fediverse doesn't need BlueSky and Nostr to fail in order to be successful.
(DIR) Post #AVD7GnFZKCfayBjr3g by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-01T00:29:00.974234Z
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@Hyolobrika @jamesp @gabriel Using your own website as your identity.Instead of hyolo.bsky.social it could be hyolo.me
(DIR) Post #AVD7GnvOog893vJGG8 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-01T12:10:35Z
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@colinsmatt11Oh that. In what sense is that possible in Takahe outside of the usual self-hosting?@jamesp @gabriel
(DIR) Post #AVDBHx1sqoedPE93Ro by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-01T12:15:32.534798Z
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@Hyolobrika @jamesp @gabriel I don't exactly know the details but it has something to do with webfinger likely.https://docs.jointakahe.org/en/latest/domains/Should have the proper information.
(DIR) Post #AVDBHxfwRshHPSt2sy by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-01T12:55:06Z
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@colinsmatt11Looks interesting. But, if im reading this right, it also looks like you still have to get your instance admin's permission to move to a different instance. You can't just do it unilaterally using your own domain or webfinger server.>you have to discover the user’s Webfinger handle from their Actor URI@jamesp @gabriel
(DIR) Post #AVDDVcLqjAyNEk811U by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-05-01T13:07:37.495842Z
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@Hyolobrika @jamesp @gabriel Yup, but there's no moving accounts feature in bluesky as well at the moment since there's only one node.SilverPill's object identity proofs fep would solve this issue for AP, just needs to be implemented.