Post AV813olYo35COLKfTc by rysiek@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AV813iP0SzTceejZUO by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:40:58Z
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BlueSky is cosplaying #decentralizationhttps://rys.io/en/167.html> Almost exactly six months after #Twitter got taken over by a petulant edge lord, people seem to be done with grieving the communities this disrupted and connections they lost, and are ready, eager even, to jump head-first into another toxic relationship. This time with BlueSky.tl;dr:- #BlueSky seems designed to get secondarily centralized in the "reach" layer (as they call it)- moderation is an afterthought- Jack Dorsey🧵/1
(DIR) Post #AV813k0yTJRRehVPJA by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:46:51Z
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> #BlueSky’s decentralization is a similar kind of decentralization as with cryptocurrencies: sure, you can run your own node (in BS case: “personal data servers”), but that does not give you basically any meaningful agency in the system.(...)> The rule of thumb with search and recommendation algorithms is: the bigger, the better. The more data you have and the more compute you get to throw at it, the better your recommendations will be. So it’s a winner-takes-all system.🧵/2
(DIR) Post #AV813lcEWGq6cXwg1Q by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:47:40Z
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> Of course, fedi could also have some search and discovery algorithms built on top. Operators of such algorithms (there had been a few attempts already) would also benefit from being first and going big.> But their potential power is balanced by the power fedi instance admins and moderators have (blocking and defederating) and by the fact that fedi is perfectly usable without such algorithms. And by strong hostility of a lot of people using fedi towards non-consensual indexing.#BlueSky🧵/3
(DIR) Post #AV813nFGSdefftDMUy by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:51:33Z
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> In a pretty meaningful way, “speech and reach” is the model of #Twitter today. You just don’t get to choose your recommendation/discovery algorithm.(…)> The only way to effectively fight harassment in a social network is effective, contextual moderation. The Fediverse showed that having communities, which embody that context and whose admins and moderators focus on protecting their members, is pretty damn effective here. This is exactly what BS is not doing.#BlueSky🧵/4
(DIR) Post #AV813olYo35COLKfTc by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:54:19Z
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> In other words, “neutrality” and “speech” and “voice” and “protection from bans” is mentioned right there, front and center, in #BlueSky’s overview and FAQ. At the same time moderation and anti-harassment features are, at best, an afterthought.(…)> Of course the sad reality is that people will buy the hype, build communities under the everloving watchful eye of Jack “Musk is the singular solution I trust, likes are superficial if not paid for” Dorsey.🧵/5
(DIR) Post #AV813qM6tduhJzRN5M by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T22:55:02Z
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> And then do a surprised picachu face when inevitably some surveillance capitalist robber baron enshittifies it to a point of complete unusefulness.> It fascinates me how quickly people forget lessons from the whole Twitter kerfuffle, and just fall for another Silicon Valley silly con. Without even skipping a beat.#BlueSky🧵/6/end
(DIR) Post #AV813s2Ke9HUXECbXE by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-04-28T23:00:07Z
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More in-depth dive obviously in the blogpost:https://rys.io/en/167.htmlShout out to @tomasino, @mekkaokereke, and @dr2chase, whom I mention directly in that blogpost. And to everyone who offered their thoughts on ATproto in this thread:https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@rysiek@mstdn.social/110267191974121354If you want an even deeper (if a bit chaotic) dive, go read that thread. :blobcatread:
(DIR) Post #AV8uif4JGGcBfPaggS by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-29T11:31:08Z
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@rysiekSo it works for some people but not for others. What's wrong with that?Anyway, you could get protection from harassment by individually blocking and subscribing to feeds of blocks.Hopefully they'll add that feature. If not, maybe it can be added since it's meant to be open source.
(DIR) Post #AV8upOm0FGL79gEyBM by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-29T11:32:18Z
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@rysiekSo users have a choice of recommendation algos instead of having only one? Seems like a good idea to me. Sort of like https://docs.polycentric.io/
(DIR) Post #AVBQuh9ouG8cTBs04e by jsbarretto@social.coop
2023-04-29T08:41:46Z
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@rysiek > The “speech” layer should remain neutral, distributing authority and designed to ensure everyone has a voice. The “reach” layer lives on top, built for flexibility and designed to scale.So... It's just a way to offload the cost of hosting data to third parties with retaining all of the benefits to capital that come with owning and controlling an arena of public discourse? Yikes.
(DIR) Post #AVBXNvY352P1E0WbUe by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-30T17:53:46Z
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@jsbarrettoHow do they own and control it? I'm not that technical@rysiek
(DIR) Post #AVCe0wkLLv7J7ODzIu by remcoboerma@fosstodon.org
2023-04-29T19:32:59Z
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@rysiek Great article. What I took away from it is that BS decentralizes the bill and centralizes the profit.
(DIR) Post #AVD9xAufw7XmQjIpiC by jsbarretto@social.coop
2023-05-01T12:40:39Z
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@Hyolobrika @rysiek They own and control it by owning and controlling the recommendation and aggregation systems. That's where the true 'value' is in a corporate social media. Everything else is just a deadweight cost that they can push to users.
(DIR) Post #AVDBhBbPo0NTqKnVy4 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-01T13:00:12Z
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@jsbarrettoBut not everyone cares about those. I mean, here on the fedi we don't have them.@rysiek
(DIR) Post #AVDBrkxNDM8EO76ndA by jsbarretto@social.coop
2023-05-01T13:02:05Z
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@Hyolobrika @rysiek Indeed, but only because that's a conscious choice made by the community. On Bluesky, the network would likely become unusable without those layers.