Post AV5aDHFRC7VOFpfoZs by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
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(DIR) Post #AV5NakbutOXAZq3CGe by seldo@alpaca.gold
2023-04-27T14:14:34Z
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What's that you say? Bluesky crossed a few hundred thousand users and immediately started having moderation issues? You don't say! Who could have possibly predicted? etc.
(DIR) Post #AV5NalKEEdymnGmaKu by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T14:20:51Z
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@seldo In fairness to them, they're trying to build in public, and didn't expect this much attention yet.They opened their invite-only private beta, where they hoped to control a tiny user list, before they'd even implemented blocks. Sign-ups are protected by sign-up keys, but unfortunately, they didn't rate-limit their sign-up API, and the keys were quite short, so someone wrote a script to brute-force guess sign-up keys. So some nazis got in. 🤷🏿♂️Blocks are being implemented this week.
(DIR) Post #AV5NalvS0FkmeiCJM0 by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T15:42:37Z
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@mekkaokereke @seldo I normally deeply respect your takes on these things, but:- they drove hype through the usual "invite+iOS-only" exclusivity thing; it's specifically designed to drum up press and inspire FOMO.- when rolling out literally any public service one of the very first questions you have to ask is WW4D - "What would 4chan do?" You don't release unless you have good counters to the obvious answers.
(DIR) Post #AV5NamWflrWmW9c2N6 by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T15:43:56Z
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@mekkaokereke @seldo the fact that Bluesky spectacularly failed the WW4D test before it even launched does not bode well for their future ability to deal with bad actors and protect marginalized populations; they clearly don't have the right people in the room for it.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDFICSsWiBowzbc by Green_Footballs@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T18:44:21Z
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@tess @mekkaokereke @seldo From their public statements, they seem to believe the right way to handle abuse and extremism is to let people mute those accounts. If nobody sees it, there’s no problem, right?
(DIR) Post #AV5aDFyjuiYQJkqxua by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T18:51:00Z
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@Green_Footballs @tess @seldo No, it's bad but not quite that bad.They just hadn't built blocking yet, but started their invite only beta before blocking and moderation were finished.Mute is easier to implement. Blocking should be finished next week. Moderation controls are still in design. Their moderation model is very interesting, but it's not finished yet.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDGdVT9AEMBvWSG by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T19:17:29Z
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@mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo when you say "interesting" I start to be concerned.Looking at what little is out there, the whole "thresholds based on reputation" bit seems generally bad and easily gamed to spread or throttle particular speech (as it was on Twitter).
(DIR) Post #AV5aDHFRC7VOFpfoZs by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T19:23:54Z
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@tess @Green_Footballs @seldo I mean interesting as in their design allows users and admins to choose and compose their moderators. As in, i can be on a server called "Cat city🐱" the admin uses a moderation service called "No dogs!" which flags all posts that mention dogs for moderation. As a user, I can also use a moderation service called "general common sense moderation" and "help staying sober"If I decide that I don't like the "no dogs" moderation rules, I can move to another server.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDHsmpoysDs5EuW by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T19:26:46Z
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@mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo does "No dogs!" prevent people who talk about dogs from seeing my posts? Because if it doesn't, then I (me; personally; Dana Fried) am going to have a problem being on the platform
(DIR) Post #AV5aDIWUSCjwD0ewnQ by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T19:32:11Z
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@mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo to add to that, does "no dogs" protect me from people talking obliquely about canines? Does it block posts from my friends talking about how they were attacked by a dog?This is the fundamental problem with automated filtering and individual blocks. My Twitter experience only became tolerable after: - They instituted strong global moderation policies - I had access to mass-blocking and chain-blocking technologyThey then revoked both. I left.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDJ7MF8EM3LuOGG by tess@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T19:34:49Z
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@mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo I spent a lot of my time in my last few years on Twitter hardening my account against hate movements; if I didn't do it actively the service gradually became unusable.The problem was only partially preventing those people from interacting with me; a lot of it was also preventing them from *seeing* me or my associates.Mastodon works for me because those people aren't allowed on here and/or aren't generally allowed to federate with my server.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDJhA60s1qOez4K by Vrimj@mastodon.sandwich.net
2023-04-27T20:14:01Z
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@tess @mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo I agree very strongly that no one wants to be on the social media version of big brother where you are broadcast to everyone but you don't see what they are saying about you, that is kind of worse than nothing at all.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDJx78hdAds7ivw by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T19:26:47Z
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@tess @Green_Footballs @seldo Account portability works much better in AT Protocol than Activity Pub, because all posts and follows are via DIDs, which are stable even if I move. I basically take my Merkle Tree with me, and go to another server. So follows, followers, posts, likes, comments, and assets like uploads, all just come with me. But on the new server, called "these dogs are good dogs🐕" they might just use the moderation service "be kind." So dog containing posts wouldn't be flagged.
(DIR) Post #AV5aDL5IvjmC9YxmL2 by Vrimj@mastodon.sandwich.net
2023-04-27T20:24:36Z
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@tess @mekkaokereke @Green_Footballs @seldo Social Media should, as much as possible, be a land of windows and curtains, not one way mirrors.