Post AV3zvLkFwdkRTuHTUm by evilmiera@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AV3xaMbxKV0CB6GQ4W by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-27T02:09:21Z
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Greetings. Let's cut to the chase. The freewheeling "anything goes" days of social media and the Internet more broadly are ending. Government regulations, mandated moderation and other topic and content controls, ID and age requirements for access, and a whole range of other changes are coming that will utterly alter the Internet in most ways related not only to social media but to many other aspects of Internet usage. Inevitably, the move toward a Communist Chinese government-controlled Internet model will proceed. This will take time. It won't happen overnight. The focus will be on large firms first, but will gradually move down in scale to affect everybody, everywhere. Attempts by some ecosystems to evade these requirements via federated and other distributed models will ultimately be unsuccessful. As with the fall of Rome, this will be a process, not an event. But despite the uncertainty of the details and the lack of an exact timeline of events, the process itself seems quite certain indeed, and that's the Internet we will be facing in the not so distant future -- like it or not. -L
(DIR) Post #AV3zvLkFwdkRTuHTUm by evilmiera@mastodon.social
2023-04-27T02:35:33Z
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@lauren I presume there's going to be something new to replace it, but like you said it's going to get easier to stamp out. I do wonder what venue people will seek out after losing their ability to communicate like this. People have gotten accustomed to it after all
(DIR) Post #AV404HFa1eO49CBnay by NickSchwanck@aus.social
2023-04-27T02:37:07Z
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@lauren Ya had me until "Communist".They aren't communists anymore. Haven't been for decades.
(DIR) Post #AV40ionUiZhDm6Nrqi by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-27T02:44:29Z
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@NickSchwanck The government calls itself the Chinese Communist Party. I'm using their official designation.
(DIR) Post #AV42ZNYAquv4ZUqQc4 by jannem@fosstodon.org
2023-04-27T03:05:11Z
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@lauren @NickSchwanck North Korea calls itself democratic.
(DIR) Post #AV453MdwzLCUM3yLZY by pyrrho@mastodonapp.uk
2023-04-27T03:32:50Z
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@lauren Are you referring to specific legislation?
(DIR) Post #AV45k4TYPYHOSdTR0C by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-27T03:40:45Z
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@pyrrho Too many for me to dig up now. Already in force in Utah I believe. Other states in process. Several at the federal level, including one just introduced today I believe.
(DIR) Post #AV4BPZa8ADYkZv9uNc by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-04-27T04:44:34.099072Z
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@NickSchwanck @lauren the "communist" part may be inaccurate but there's a lot more in that post and the rest of it is true.This isn't the first time governments are trying this but this time they're getting visible gains and next time they'll get more gains, etc.I don't know if I agree with the defeated tone of the post but this IS a real problem as the legal foundations of the net are being attacked on a global scale and just reshuffling how we host and distribute data won't help in the long run.The politicians who aim to control the net have either become savvy to the network and economic infrastructure that runs it, hired the right people or are being manipulated by lobbyists and interest groups who know the right points of failure. It doesn't matter how they got there - the problem is that politicians are determined to do this.Suppose we achieve the dream of turning everything fully decentralized (not federated) and somehow solve the payment processing issue (please don't turn this into a cryptocurrency thread) - they will simply find and attack the next points of failure. They may be slow but they are not clueless anymore.It's time to face the fact that this problem requires a social solution rather than a technological one.
(DIR) Post #AV4BnsBmdMW7EoMF9c by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-27T04:48:39Z
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@Polychrome @NickSchwanck Yep. And therein is a key part of the problems. Techies (and that includes me of course) tend to want technical solutions, technical bypasses, technical workarounds. And we're reaching a stage as you note where that just won't work anymore, especially given the bipartisan nature of the legislative efforts.
(DIR) Post #AV4EchG9EHLu18lHHs by radio@portside.social
2023-04-27T05:20:05Z
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@lauren Fuck that bullshit straight to hell. They can stuff their wires up their ass, I'll set up my own internet. I am not alone with this position, and we build things that work.
(DIR) Post #AV4Lq6aT4WdQ0ubgbA by NickSchwanck@aus.social
2023-04-27T06:40:53Z
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@lauren Why? It's false.
(DIR) Post #AVUDkIhxpYm0uZ57r6 by JohnShirley2023@mastodon.cloud
2023-05-09T18:12:51Z
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@lauren This will be something that happens in a localized way. National laws will vary. There are perils here yes. But no one who's opposed to heavy internet regulation has yet proposed a serious method for controlling misinformation. From Qanon to Russian disinfo on the internet to antivax liars, misinformation can destroy--can kill. And it is powerful and widespread, a blight that was once minor (like, John Birch Society pamphlets) is now widespread and triggering mass murders ...