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(DIR) Post #AV1f59hl4vZRgJ1kH2 by dictvm@chaos.social
2023-03-12T13:07:01Z
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When Rome sent their first scouts to your village you didn't consider that an honor of recognition of your tribe's achievements. You trained your tribe's people, produced weapons and prepared to defend yourself, because it wouldn't be long until they send their first armies to your village. Meta is Rome.#fediverse
(DIR) Post #AV1f5AMAeftfhdw1GS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-25T23:32:52Z
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@dictvm What do you think about the idea of creating a certification body, whose logo can be displayed by fediverse software/ servers that meet or surpass a set of minimum criteria for user respect? Kind of like the entities that certify organic products. Getting certified would come with an annual fee, which could provide a steady income for a fediverse oversight body, advocating for the interests of ordinary people using the network. Also interested in @smallcircles 's take on this idea.
(DIR) Post #AV2So2GIUe3NNnDEiO by smallcircles@social.coop
2023-04-26T08:49:29Z
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@strypey @dictvm I've seen various takes on this been discussed before. There may be a range of aspects to objectively gauge quality of service with, which may include human rights alignment but also more subjective socio-cultural aspects that we value around the Fediverse. If you really want to safeguard those, then it becomes more complex. You'd have to visit hosts to be able to offer more guarantees. That can be a paid service.Also a crowdsourced social review/rating service is an option.
(DIR) Post #AV2a3vryj6j9s0MgT2 by dictvm@chaos.social
2023-04-26T10:11:18Z
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@strypey @smallcircles I have a few questions: How should that institution arrive at a consensus on what is "user respect"? Just things like "don't sell my/aggregated data, keep backups" or is this aimed more towards content moderation, blocking and defederation?
(DIR) Post #AV3mfQYwxyl4Ny4OUS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-27T00:07:17Z
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Implementation questions, awesome!@dictvmHow should that institution arrive at a consensusThe same way we arrived at a consensus on the criteria for software freedom (which I would argue is necessary but not sufficient for user respect). Specifically, I'd suggest a period of open-ended discussion in a dedicated space, a drafting process with several iterations of feedback, and a realtime conference to tweak and accept a 1.0 version for production use. Rinse, repeat. @smallcircles
(DIR) Post #AV3nDSpZ2ZlzGW4SKO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-27T00:13:20Z
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@dictvm> Just things like "don't sell my/aggregated data, keep backups" or is this aimed more towards content moderation, blocking and defederation?I would start by listing all the ways the DataFarms violate the human rights and civil liberties of the people using them, giving us a list of Thou Shalt Nots. Then restate them in a positive form, as a list of Thou Shalts. I'm happy to lay out my criteria as a starting point for discussion, how much detail are you interested in?@smallcircles
(DIR) Post #AV3nerVRPEBzc6isLI by jrp@hub.kliklak.net
2023-04-26T13:20:53Z
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@Strypey Smells like censorship. A system like this can always be abused by the wrong people.
(DIR) Post #AV3nesLCInaoCcwD0y by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-27T00:18:21Z
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@jrp> Smells like censorshipThen you need to check your sense of smell ;) > A system like this can always be abused by the wrong people Oh don't worry, we'd definitely make sure only the right people can abuse it :P
(DIR) Post #AV4eRl8b4FQrfUfu5o by jrp@hub.kliklak.net
2023-04-27T08:48:38Z
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@Strypey There ya go, thanks for proving my point.
(DIR) Post #AV4eRlsKKE0nxK4QN6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-27T10:09:54Z
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@jrp > thanks for proving my pointWas your point that you are unable to recognize a joke, even when marked as such with a tongue-sticking-out emoji?
(DIR) Post #AV4kgylJIHwFzaQIwS by dictvm@chaos.social
2023-04-27T11:19:50Z
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@strypeymaybe 1-2 examples to provide an idea of what you're thinking about might help. Appreciate the thought you're putting into this! @smallcircles
(DIR) Post #AV4nHnJl0TUb7ZDaoi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-27T11:48:55Z
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@dictvm> maybe 1-2 examples to provide an idea of what you're thinking aboutI'd start with the Four Freedoms for software:https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/... and add some stuff from the Franklin St Statement:https://web.archive.org/web/20090124084811/http://autonomo.us/2008/07/franklin-street-statement/Some of the stuff in the Mastodon Server Covenant too. Plus I'd have a look through the FNF's network freedoms for anything relevant:https://web.archive.org/web/20111128010037/http://freenetworkfoundation.org/?page_id=254@smallcircles