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(DIR) Post #AUlk1OXfMZ0ZmVyRaC by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-18T01:10:07Z
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So, now we’ve got police going to the wrong address and shooting innocent civilians, and white civilians shooting innocent black kids who ring the wrong doorbell. The persistence of hate narratives and shoot-first-ask-questions-later knee jerk reactions show how absolutely dangerous an #NRA fueled gun society is. Their answer: More Guns! Because “guns aren’t the problem. People are the problem.” My question: So why in God’s name would you give guns to the problem?#guns #guncontrol #gunviolence
(DIR) Post #AUlk1P3ZRwWrNStvJQ by zleap@qoto.org
2023-04-18T07:12:50Z
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@MelodyCooper "guns aren’t the problem. People are the problem.”I agree with this, for the following reasons, even though I don't have experience with guns or don't know much about them, so based on what I do know, which more common sense or the blatently obvious.1. Guns are inanimate objects2. Guns need ammunition to be loaded by a human3. As far as I know, guns have some sort of safety mechanism to avoid accidental firing (lets all it a safety switch)3a. So to fire, you need to set the gun put the safety switch in the OFF position4. To hit a specific target, be it a Target in a range, an animal or human you need to aim the gun5. There is an option to fire a warning shot, usually to scare off an animal for example,6. There is also an option to maim and not kill your target7. In order to do any of the points (and sub points) in 2-7 a HUMAN needs to make a decision or take action, based on the rational assessment of the situation, soldiers are trained to do this quickly for example, but it usually down to common sense.So a gun lying on a desk, with no ammunition and with the safety OFF to me is just that, it is safe.Hence I agree people are the problem, not the actual guns. Give a gun to a person who for what ever reason is irrational is a recipe for disaster. However having more and more guns, and more powerful guns at that is also a serious problem, so again humans make those decisions to allow them.I fully appreciate the second amendment, so we can't change that. Guns are, in some cases clearly needed.
(DIR) Post #AUlkCIxwR3h3flSyOG by stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com
2023-04-18T05:05:26Z
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@MelodyCooper honestly well stated.The trigger happy folks shouldn't get such weapons, not without EXTREMELY thorough background checks and VERY strict training.
(DIR) Post #AUlkD3nyHwe2wSAAsK by SLOTricia@toot.community
2023-04-18T03:59:46Z
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@MelodyCooper We need to overcome the very minority who believe in no gun control, racism, and misogyny. These disgusting specimens of humans are in the extreme minority! We can totally defeat them by coming together all across the country.
(DIR) Post #AUlkWrDwm3U7iKkkDI by zleap@qoto.org
2023-04-18T07:18:35Z
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@stormy178 @MelodyCooper Agreed on training, cars are also very dangerous, the emergency services are trained to drive, at speed in difficult conditions and are allowed to do so once trained. over here in the UK the police can use TPAC (Tactical pursuit and containment) to bring a car to a stop and hopefully arrest those in the car, however they are very strict conditions, training and they can only do so if it is safe for everyone involved, including innocent road users.
(DIR) Post #AUlpQXkuk97jMqyva4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-18T08:12:45Z
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@stormy178 @MelodyCooper And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.
(DIR) Post #AUmOClPefO0449CciG by GTLC@social.vivaldi.net
2023-04-18T14:43:07Z
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@zleap@MelodyCooper Clearly needed? Yeah...no. Not by civilian populations. The US is the only nation on Earth that thinks otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AUmb9adrYRnbCDfIrQ by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-18T17:08:11Z
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@freemo @stormy178 With children being shot, sir, you should be replying that guns should be more regulated. Demand BETTER RESTRICTIONS and background checks. Your knee jerk reaction “Don’t ya take my guns” is a sad and tired old record. It shows lack of compassion and refusal to see the crisis that we are truly in right now. For those of you who are Christian, I always wonder WWJD? If he angrily threw out the money changers imagine what he would do to the NRA.
(DIR) Post #AUmbYxr2O7zEQavXHc by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-18T17:11:55Z
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@zleap I sincerely wish you had put as much words and effort to dissecting the specific restrictions and background checks and bans of AR15‘s that would literally save lives in this country as you enumerated the reasons why guns are AOK in and of them selves. One sentence to say yeah maybe too many guns doesn’t cut it. Do better or you’re part of the problem.
(DIR) Post #AUmow6FwcESIY9wI2y by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-18T19:42:41Z
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@MelodyCooper K, well let's work it backwards.If a person wants a gun and doesn't obey your rules, whatever they may be, to get one. Is it just to use violence against him as a result?
(DIR) Post #AUrzm9rUQSvS7flJzs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-21T07:37:35Z
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@MelodyCooper What an ignorant and uninformed way to view the problem.It sounds pretty much equivalent to saying things like:"Oh why oh why are cars still legal when kids are dying in car accidents"Or even worse yet: "If we made vaccines illegal people would stop dying of vaccines.The reason is because these viewpoints are ignorant of the big picture. Guns save lives, and prevent incidents from happening, they also cause incidents. Any real argument looks at all of that at frames the issue as one of violence first and foremost.No we arent "oh but we like our toys".. no its more like "Well these tools help us prevent deaths too, so we wont give them up over a poorly framed emotional argument.@stormy178
(DIR) Post #AUs1wT3o6HXITEZEm0 by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-21T08:01:54Z
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@freemo @stormy178 Cars and drivers are regulated more than guns and gun owners are. While that truth sinks in (we’ll wait), in a diagram, here’s another emotional argument you won’t win. Keep trying though if it makes you feel better about suicides and 160 mass shootings to date in 2023. Good luck and Good night.
(DIR) Post #AUs33RZu6rw1r2TFSa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-21T08:14:20Z
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@MelodyCooper Nice goal post moving you did there.Personally I beleive in bodily autonomy.. the same reason I support abortion is the reason I support access to suicide methods.So guns being a route for suicide is not just ok, it is prefered.@stormy178
(DIR) Post #AUsIoZLkWzNQsfmNHs by skobkin@lor.sh
2023-04-21T11:11:01Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 "Think about kids!" is the cheapest and most popular argument when you don't have real arguments.I'm really tired of reminding that this argument is exactly what was used to allow censorship, deprive LGBT people of their right and other such things in Russia.So now we have no independent social media accessible for most of the people and new law forbidding "forming a distorted view of equality between non-traditional and traditional relationships".Children are safe now 👍
(DIR) Post #AUsRn6TxH3CweBze4W by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-21T12:51:35Z
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@skobkin Im all for thinking about the kids, and after considering their safety as a top most priority i decided keeping guns legal was in their best interest@MelodyCooper @stormy178
(DIR) Post #AUsU625w0hdgRyuazA by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-21T13:17:26Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 We don't need to ask what Jesus would do, it's in the Bible; He told the disciples to carry swords, but opposed unnecessary violence (rebuking Peter for cutting off the ear of a Roman guard).This doesn't really read like the philosophy of someone who would support sword control.
(DIR) Post #AUspyKQg9n2TzNLWwC by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-21T17:22:28Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @stormy178 So guns don't kill people but they save lives? How nice of them.
(DIR) Post #AUsqQfx1jVtQqUzfn6 by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-21T17:26:52Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper I don't know if they're the answer, but taking guns away from people results in fewer gun deaths. Yes, there will still be bat deaths and hammer deaths and what have you, and we can generalise that as blunt force objects. You can't get rid of blunt force objects. Getting rid of 99% of guns is trivial in comparison.
(DIR) Post #AUtgUTJrpmkQRboBvc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T03:10:57Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper And why are you ignoring, conviently, the bat deaths and knife deaths and assault deaths prevented by the good guy with the gun?Thats why the whole "Make guns elligal and gun deaths will go down" is the intellectual equivelant of thr antivaxxer " Make vaccines illegal and we can eliminate vaccine deaths". It may techbicallt be true but its intellectually dishonest because it fails to look at the big picture.
(DIR) Post #AUthKIy1ZKyhOaJ864 by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2023-04-22T03:19:42Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @stormy178 Someone has to be this person so I'll proceed. Firearms are really cool and very dense in Physics and Engineering. With the War on X mentality, education has suffered.The CETME's history and the development of the AR-15 are absolutely insane. Ian McCollum with Forgotten Weapons has really cool videos on the subjects.It really says something when my interest in Electrochemistry was sparked by Uncle Fester. Fast forward to me using that information to protect structures from corrosion. It was 4 or 5 graduate level texts later but it still sparked that thirst for knowledge and eventual application.Give kids every chance to stand in pure awe of something. One moment for me was seeing a real SR-71 in person. I couldn't touch it but still I got moved along by guards because I was paying too much attention. It was being serviced and I was able to see a little bit of the turbines. Not even porn has been that interesting. A crude example but it was that amazing. I can still visualize that section rather vividly approximately 24 years later.
(DIR) Post #AUthoNJ403MbXcUFg8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T03:25:47Z
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@AmpBenzScientist Tons of physjcs stuff out there that leverages guns. Yes they serve many purposes beyond killing@MelodyCooper @stormy178
(DIR) Post #AUtkb0qSV0bzybQYBE by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-22T03:55:19.332328Z
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@pies @freemo @MelodyCooper Fewer gun deaths isn’t the same as lower deaths. Most gun deaths aren’t related to legal owners anyways.
(DIR) Post #AUtkb1ruh5Mz9P7E5Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T03:56:56Z
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@zack **Exactly** now your getting it. Fewer gun deaths doesnt mean fewer deaths overall (and in fact can mean **more** dewths). And thus thr problem with using gun deaths as a metric or goal.@MelodyCooper @pies
(DIR) Post #AUtu1LkQIzQDvCEn7Q by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2023-04-22T05:42:34Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @stormy178 The Mini 14 was a good lesson in why harmonics are important. The M4 was useful in learning why a 14.5in barrel using a round developed for a 16 to 20in barrel is not that good. Yep it took until 1996 to be formally introduced because of problems. Now it's being replaced with a battle rifle that weighs around 13.5lbs.Ignore the Engineers and Designers. It's like NASA with O-rings. Communism doesn't stop for cold weather. We need another victory lap.
(DIR) Post #AUuEmZH7pIVGZOKIa0 by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-04-22T09:35:11Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist @MelodyCooper @stormy178 Just about all tech is descended from weapons! The two basic human technologies are fire and sharp objects; everything else comes from those two.More specifically, engines are descended from cannon. Newcomen was having no success with his steam power experiments until he hired a cannon maker to produce the cylinders. Then he finally had a good enough seal to make his engine work.
(DIR) Post #AUuJYOqkI5thx73DyC by eberhofer@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:28:43Z
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@freemo aren't you moving the goal post a bit? I don't see anyone asking for making guns illegal, only to regulate them better. Seems sorely needed imho.Also, the data does support that the higher the number of guns in the population (above a certain threshold), the less secure things become for everyone. It's not even emotional.
(DIR) Post #AUuJmx0A6zNlvWOTsO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:31:15Z
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@eberhofer that is complete nonsense.. people are trying to **ban** all types of guns even guns that are made for small game (like ar-15). If you can ban something with one of the smallest bullets of all guns, a gun not even appropriate for hunting anything larger than a fox, then no calling it banning is entierly appropriate. Nor is "we just want a little regulation" at all a reflection of the reality.
(DIR) Post #AUuKAaxLjACiVKLw1Y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:35:35Z
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@eberhofer and no the dats generally doesnt support that but indo understand how you can be mislead by the fact that people do try to manipulate thr facts a lot
(DIR) Post #AUuKF3Mk2kVfm0M6vA by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:36:25Z
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@freemo @stormy178 @MelodyCooper Hmm, there is a disconnect: it was stated that guns should be regulated, with strict background checks. Your reply talks of "making guns illegal". Did you reply to the wrong toot here or do you think background checks are a bad thing? If so, do you wish for people with known agression problems (psychological disorders or former history of violent crimes) to be able to have guns?
(DIR) Post #AUuKYDZaJkfivrV8sK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:38:48Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven I dont think you can see the toot i replied to, the person blocked me.I am not against background checks in their current form, which is thurough and complete.The one issue with the current setup is loopholes at gun shows. But that doesnt appear to be a huge source of actual problems so yra im for background checks as they exist today.@stormy178 @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUuKmwlB6tQz8CwnCa by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:42:29Z
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@freemo @stormy178 @MelodyCooper You might want to state that, the toot history i read showed you ignoring the distinction between banning and background checks... it changes the meaning completely.
(DIR) Post #AUuKxUq5G9xBioGwe8 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T10:44:26.617340Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @stormy178 @MelodyCooper loophole means private sale right?
(DIR) Post #AUuLIhkYS7sfqSnb60 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:48:01Z
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@thatguyoverthere Depends on the state but yea@stormy178 @MelodyCooper @admitsWrongIfProven
(DIR) Post #AUuLLmjQO3SwAGjtLs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:48:51Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven No i was quite clear i was talking about a specific type of commonly proposed restriction, banning.@stormy178 @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUuLkXTCGbYU4Rx6fY by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:53:19Z
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@freemo And who you responded to was quite clear that background checks matter.
(DIR) Post #AUuLza5inq9KXp926y by eberhofer@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:56:01Z
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@freemo I'm basing my statement on findings by the American Psychological Association, e.g. published here. https://www.apa.org/pubs/reports/gun-violence-preventionIt's complicated and gun ownership level isn't the only factor - culture is arguably a bigger factor.
(DIR) Post #AUuM0cLtsl7PqXCrDM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:56:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven The person i responded to made absokutely no mention of background checks.@stormy178 @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUuM6tcKbWOn88syKe by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:57:21Z
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@freemo @stormy178 @MelodyCooper For your reading pleasure, the toot repeated: "Stormy178 @stormy178@MelodyCooper honestly well stated.The trigger happy folks shouldn't get such weapons, not without EXTREMELY thorough background checks and VERY strict training."
(DIR) Post #AUuMJIcxRWpIAm5pZY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T10:59:31Z
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@eberhofer yes its complicated. Im well aware of this and other poor quality and highly biased attempts at selling that particular viewpoint. Sadly thry made very poor conclusions fro. Otherwise valid but intellectually dishonest data (much of which ive addressed before more generally).
(DIR) Post #AUuMMlPEtubOIUKPXU by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:00:15.436625Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo we already have background checks... Just not for private sale. They have straw purchase laws that making gifting a weapon a pain too. But some states do allow private sale which doesn't need to go through federal background checks. It's not a loophole. It's common sense. If I have a firearm I dont use and a friend or family member interested in buying it from me there is no need to have government involved adding their taxes and fees.
(DIR) Post #AUuMaiejvDy7p3EVI8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:02:42Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @stormy178 @MelodyCooper I cant comment about a thread i cant read. I do not see that or any content like that in my feed.
(DIR) Post #AUuMiz2ss1VGyCT10a by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:04:11Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven I mean i dont mind private sales. But yea they should be taxed and follow regulation ideally.
(DIR) Post #AUuMmf0HKOtPy909bM by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:04:18Z
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@freemo I guess blocking can be a problem for discussions, but i do also see that you are quite provocative specifically when talking about this topic...
(DIR) Post #AUuMuupgMMddNXyvAW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:06:22Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven i do t particularly care if someone wants to block me.. but says a lot about a persons disposition if thry block someone when they could just disagree and walk away.The only thing i think i do all that provocative is make claims that are rooted in data which few people on the right do sadly. And on the left they are too used to sticking to some highly cherrypicked data so they arent used to needing to defend the data either way.
(DIR) Post #AUuMvT7EtasthqSQFs by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:06:23Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere Well for the topic at hand, it would not exactly matter if a sale is public or private - just that background checks are performed. Are private sellers liable for what is done with their gun until background checks are performed? Sell to a loonie, get imprisoned for their murder, right?
(DIR) Post #AUuN0zmWs77gSwPE5w by eberhofer@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:07:30Z
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@freemo there's more research that supports the thesis. Here's one from Scientific American https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
(DIR) Post #AUuN1Z0DvBsDhY59nc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:07:35Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere No they arent usually liable for private sales that bypass a background check.
(DIR) Post #AUuN2ooub7Ah33ODzs by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:07:51Z
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@freemo Oh, but that is ironic: your "sources" were completely from the usa, aside from the one that was amidst IRA violence. Cherry-picked to a place where the regulations were local, not federal at the times.
(DIR) Post #AUuN5ick5kOEhR531E by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:08:21Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere You do see what problem i would have with that, were i affected?
(DIR) Post #AUuNMzMT7Ck3X6hfqS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:10:57Z
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@eberhofer sadly no. There is a lot of research that supports various facts that are often manipukated and claimed thry support the argument at hand, when in fact they very much dont.Take your argument. You are tryi g to claim a causative relationship, yet are not showing data that even remotely demonstrates causation and woukd be dismissed quite quickly by a data scientist to call that out.We **do** have tools as data scientists to show causation and build that evidence (like granger causality) and you will always find such data, needed to actually show the point you are trying to make, as missing.
(DIR) Post #AUuNRKGlK10pXJ6PnU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:12:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven no i showed some usa examples (michegan i think might have been the only one). Most were outside like ireland, jamaica, and the UK. I am happy to provide more cou tries if thats all you need.
(DIR) Post #AUuNWAz7GkkKBkA4a8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:13:06Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere Well considering i already .entioned that this is a loophole id be fine fixing i woukd thinknit woukd be obvious that we agree its a problem.
(DIR) Post #AUuNYnEe1fQPOoflHE by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:13:36Z
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@freemo Well, actual sources would make a difference, if you plan on continuing to send pictures of questionable origin, pass.
(DIR) Post #AUuNsOdTCEDMtedF9k by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:17:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Agreed, good quality studies on this topic is much needed. Its a shame im stuck needing to try to do it myself indeed
(DIR) Post #AUuO5KYveT7I1ofwQK by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:19:31.292548Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven I don't agree. We're taxed plenty. Giving government more chances to shake people down doesn't sound great to me. Next they'll say I didn't charge enough because they didn't get as much tax as they'd like (this happens with private car sales).why does the state need a cut if I'm not making a profit? I think there are often laws setting boundaries for what qualifies as a private sale. A person manufacturing weapons for sale must register with the government and add serial numbers so it's not like allowing private sale allows me to print and sell fgc-9 over and over or something. In fact if I had one I think it would be excluded from private sale allowance because it's homemade anyway. I also can't rent hours on my printer to someone who wants to make one. I can't even let you use my drill press for an 80% build. There is lots of regulation in place around private sale/trade/manufacture already.
(DIR) Post #AUuOIPWqUwKfCCwEGu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:21:49Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Circumventing the law on taxes cause they are too high is not the way to address it. Im all for lowering taxes but not by illegally avoiding them.That said id be ok with private sales being untaxed
(DIR) Post #AUuORSOlCMCWhaTC3U by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:02:48Z
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@thatguyoverthere @freemo So it seems that either the checks are not good enough or those private sales are the problem... would need some studies about the source of the weapons used in those many shootings the usa has, i guess.
(DIR) Post #AUuORSyZ3EqCUdDmrY by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:23:30.784209Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo the checks are fine, but saying someone has never been violent before doesn't mean they never will, and there are a lot of firearms on the streets that have been obtained through theft and black market sale. There is even some evidence that at least in the past weapons have just showed up in the inner city that could never be bought at a store. https://www.truthandaction.org/chicago-ex-gang-member-feds-dropping-crates-guns-urban-communities-years/2/
(DIR) Post #AUuOX94lx2xWVopiPQ by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:24:31.724231Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo some states require a "transfer" which involves a background check. Some respect privacy.
(DIR) Post #AUuOeCue5L6uRFSoQy by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:25:48.360069Z
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Seriously. We shouldn't have guys like this shooting innocent White girls because of their race. It's inappropriate. I have more stories of Black on white shootings if you care to read them, or would you like to continue to subscribe to your racist narrative that White people are a problem? https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-shooting-ball-girl-parents-61dda7685d1b0a9bcfde5655f753be1c
(DIR) Post #AUuOehgXfpFTsU6UFs by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:25:54.813955Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven If you aren't making a profit there is no tax owed simple as. Calling a sale of something I bought and am not selling for profit taxable is absurd
(DIR) Post #AUuOhVHOFoW8GrfrCy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:26:18Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Public gu sales require a paper trail be kept. This is a bigger issue for me than just the background check
(DIR) Post #AUuOy7ze5JvQyOIkBk by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:29:21.719327Z
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(DIR) Post #AUuP1Wa57nqi6Cxo8W by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:30:01.633591Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven yeah agreed. I was just saying that some states do require a background check although it's ancillary to the transfer which is the paper trail. I think I conflate the background check with the transfer in my head though because you can't have one without the other.
(DIR) Post #AUuP7HUm7qjB38E6vg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:31:00Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Yea but in private sales you dont have to transfer ownership at the point of sale. Sometimes you dont have to record it at all
(DIR) Post #AUuPCegJLcomPLBWds by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:31:23.206273Z
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(DIR) Post #AUuPMu9gfgcdIKoS5g by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T11:33:54.183882Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven yeah that part depends on the state. Here in wv no need but that doesn't mean you can sell homemade fgc-9 or ar pistols from the back of your truck. You also can't buy a gun for your wife. If you buy a gun and want to gift it to someone they are expected to come in and pick do the transfer. I think it's different if you give one from your collection, but if it could look like a straw purchase it's probably illegal.
(DIR) Post #AUuPTB2inRBfPNXsjw by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:35:02.123081Z
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@Humpleupagus @MelodyCooper No gang is more feared than the Lunchtime Rowdies
(DIR) Post #AUuPTacNhzZAjDQDIG by C_J_S@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:35:06.797859Z
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@Humpleupagus @MelodyCooper Christ, that last one...
(DIR) Post #AUuPW39caCTFoK8uCu by eberhofer@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:35:01Z
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@freemo again, it's complicated and there are other factors involved. But no, I don't have to establish causation for my argument. It's sufficient to point to the correlation established consistently.The causation mechanisms are probably much more complicated, messy and themselves correlated to the gun ownership levels. Distrust in the government and social institutions, generally, is important for that.
(DIR) Post #AUuPcy9Ra8EWK0MJzU by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:36:46.986702Z
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Have you ever heard a group of niggers eating lunch? 😒
(DIR) Post #AUuPeVlg56GQs5yhH6 by Kang_Kong2@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:37:05.252694Z
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@skobkin @MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 Russia is right about Queers. Once you abandon traditional sexual norms you have 3 generations before total social collapse or revolution. This pattern is repeated across the entirerity of written history and no amount of wishful thinking and warm fuzzy liberal "this time it's different" magical thinking will break that trend.
(DIR) Post #AUuPgATqCQCHQbQPGy by AlbinoMutant@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:37:23.177098Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 The real crisis is black crime, black violence, black entitlement and black on white agression
(DIR) Post #AUuPhiMjhRYUoMq5Wi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:37:34Z
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@eberhofer As a profressional oublished data scientist.. my god so much no..No matter how many times you may show correlation it doesnt even suggest causation.Take the classic ckrrelation kf pirates to global warming. Youd find that correlation in every single state in the whole of the world. Youd have 10000 different stro g correlations you coukd show if you broke it down by seperate regions... even with 10000 seperate correlations all showing pirates and global warming are **very strongly correlated** that strong pattern of correlation doesnt even hint at causation being at play.
(DIR) Post #AUuQ00HznbZBc3LJZo by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-04-22T11:40:57.569423Z
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why is this one white guy committing so many crimes?
(DIR) Post #AUuQ4yTfxhuxRTAzXk by HumongusChungus@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:41:50.084027Z
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@MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUuQCi9OY8u17ZNZZY by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:43:10.553853Z
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He's the embodiment of racism. 😏
(DIR) Post #AUuQGe85RSpvoAdyPQ by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:43:56Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere Sounds perfect, if the goal is to have a gun as a someone with rage control issues.
(DIR) Post #AUuQIDJo5yqbEbsCe0 by HumongusChungus@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:44:15.695067Z
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@MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUuQUOJZ2QGEoUZAaO by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-04-22T11:46:27.518279Z
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@zleap @MelodyCooper So true!
(DIR) Post #AUuQVrWTvZfFguJGr2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:46:39Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere As ive stated, it is a valid loophole. Im fine with addressing.That said as long as attacks on gun rights are underway id be hesitant to fix this issue when the first amendment is already so grossly abused. If thr left werent calling for further constitutional violations id probably be louder about fixing this loophole. As it stands it might be one of very few ways people will have quick access to guns if in need.
(DIR) Post #AUuQeDeBYPc4cntjmK by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T11:48:13.940498Z
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In case she blocked poast.
(DIR) Post #AUuQmgdzd0PAsEqUro by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:49:42Z
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@freemo You're either really bad at convincing people guns should be loosly regulated or really good at riling people up to want to ban guns... i cannot decide which. Does your own perception of the consequences of your toots differ?
(DIR) Post #AUuQvmlyD9uAUIupbU by Bloomfer@coolsite.win
2023-04-22T11:51:20.385880Z
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better lock him up
(DIR) Post #AUuR9JFilNcyzFHQJs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:53:47Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Hard to judge. Most of the time whatever peoples ideas on guns happen to be will not be changed by my opinion. I also have noninterest in convincing people of anything, i enjoy talking about it, but its more about seeing how people can be led to beleive lies as long as thry are popular enough rather than a desire to convince people.I do know over the years at least 20 or 30 people have changed their mind specifically because of the data ive shared and never once was i made aware of anyone who was on the fence and changed to an antigun stance because of something I shared. So im pretty happy with the outlook if that is to be the measure anyway.
(DIR) Post #AUuRViA4phQsbyK1rc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T11:57:47Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven I also know people who are antigun consistently think progun arguments are shit. I dont think ive ever once heard a strongly antigun person go "You make an excellent progun argument but i still disagreee due to..." like never, not unless thry were on the fence on the issue... so at best your assessment is predictable, meanwhile the progun people will generally share and praise my argument with a similar level of bias. But hey they may be biased but at least they are the correct one of the two.
(DIR) Post #AUuRrkz11TpdjWezuS by Whitewall_Blasphemy@poa.st
2023-04-22T12:01:53.365868Z
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@Humpleupagus @ForbiddenDreamer @zleap WE know this wahmin and the news story she refers to is full of shit, what is hilarious is the vast majority of people are so retarded they lap these lies up like ambrosia.I really do not want to have to tell my asshole neighbors "I told you so you imbecile!" while a massive color revolution occurs in every suburban neighborhood with zero police aid.Disarmed, dumbed down, apologizing for unchecked black aggression and cowing to the very yellow media is getting way too out of hand.
(DIR) Post #AUuS3RPHdJ22UeWCMy by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:03:59.484072Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo a person with rage control issues and no criminal record can still likely go buy a gun. Or do you think we aught to have a psych eval every time we want a new gun? That's pretty crazy if so considering the us has a history of using mental health against people in exploitative ways. Imagine a world where you need a psych eval to buy a car or a hammer or a bag of pebbles? Madness
(DIR) Post #AUuSQwPKXTnFIikJE0 by nolasco@iddqd.social
2023-04-22T12:08:14.604769Z
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Never understood the mentality in the second pic. Forgiving is one thing attempting friendship or any sort of amiability is idiotic.
(DIR) Post #AUuSSgXuU0pOgbagam by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:08:27Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Its worse than that... if the consequence of struggling with mental health and seeing a doctor has the consequence of revoking ones rights the end result is people who care about being able to buy a gun will go out of their way not to talk about or seek medical help for their mental illnesses.The end result is increasing the number of people that get no help with their mental illness and a lot more of the wrong sort of people owning guns.
(DIR) Post #AUuSaRpx3S3rNqjNzc by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:09:52Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere That warm, peaceful feeling of not living in the usa ^^
(DIR) Post #AUuSc1FqrFPlWGawKW by C_J_S@poa.st
2023-04-22T12:10:15.134952Z
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@MelodyCooper >So why in God’s name would you give guns to the problem?Can you imagine a world where we didn't give guns to young, nappy-haired problems?
(DIR) Post #AUuSeaVyjTn1SKMZ2e by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:10:38Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere On that we agree, but not related to guns in anyway
(DIR) Post #AUuT9LeQ2ueCKjyjSK by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:15:38Z
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@freemo Might be that some other factors aggrevate the violence in the usa, yes. I think there are countries with as much guns, but way less shootings. Question for me would be: what would produce results in the short term, because the social problems won't be solved over night. If there is any effort made at all, i can't judge that from here.
(DIR) Post #AUuTg0RfuOfm7caeES by natsock@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-22T12:22:09.368928Z
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@MelodyCooper By people we mean blacks. I know that connection is difficult to make.
(DIR) Post #AUuTmxxpX5UES9wugq by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:23:25.958074Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo yeah maybe being beheaded or stabbed in public is better than being shot.
(DIR) Post #AUuTrqxyyce6CNLoUi by eberhofer@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:24:15Z
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@freemo I almost anticipated this response. I understand the dangers of spurious correlations.But it's just as dangerous to ignore consistently established correlation, unless you know why it can be dismissed. Particularly one, that can be shown to exist if the factor increases AND if it decreases, and that exists in what are arguably quite different setting.But I agree. Establishing cause is a much higher mark.I guess the question is how this should factor into policy decisions and I don't think I have to prove cause to let this guide my policy choice. In fact, given the detrimental impact of gun ownership levels to so many individuals, children and adults, I think the burden of proof should be on the advocates of easy access laws.
(DIR) Post #AUuU4XXcViBDiW4NAO by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:24:35Z
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@thatguyoverthere @freemo Ah yes, now that you mention it, we have that all the time. Just yesterday i had to have my head reattached, always such a hassle!
(DIR) Post #AUuU4Y5eTBOzQ3zYDA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:26:27Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere I lived for 30 out of my 40 years in the USA. Ive been threatened at knife point twice, ive never once been threatened with a gun in person.
(DIR) Post #AUuU9goJTW4pufKhyS by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:27:31Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere Hmm, survivorship bias?
(DIR) Post #AUuUExcaOrzhUzMSau by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:28:26.413564Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo I mean... There was the French teacher, charli hebdo (spelling), Ariana whatever concert .... Multiple rampage stabbing events in London... So much that they want to round off the kitchen knives... Many other absolutely terrible events that just happen not to include guns.
(DIR) Post #AUuUI0CDHgCOLvTZE8 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:29:02.534884Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo haha literally you just making a joke about not being beheaded
(DIR) Post #AUuUQ2YQOrrvz1hKzI by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:29:56Z
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@thatguyoverthere Haha yeah, that was the point. Would you joke about being beheaded, if you were?
(DIR) Post #AUuUQ3B45CmFurmCDQ by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:30:29.231751Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven no the point is you walked right past your own survivors bias
(DIR) Post #AUuUfCGWZm58RiYJai by dave@gleasonator.com
2023-04-22T12:33:11.958233Z
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@Humpleupagus @ForbiddenDreamer @MelodyCooper @zleap Apparently I’m blocked too
(DIR) Post #AUuUhDQnDHZIdlJmS0 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:33:33Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo various incidents involving axes and knives in germany, more often than mainstream reports on it.you wouldn't have someone killing multiple people with an axe if we had legal carry here.
(DIR) Post #AUuUlXHVLvNbMZ29BI by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:34:22Z
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@bonifartius I find free for all too exhausting.
(DIR) Post #AUuUn1zIfl4ot2EQDY by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:33:17Z
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@thatguyoverthere What survivers? That mechanism doesn't work if people aren't killed by the numbers...
(DIR) Post #AUuUn2aASgZEjNTrgO by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T12:34:38.316303Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven so hold on. If I say I've never been robbed at gun point I am experiencing a bias, but if you have never knowingly been at risk of beheading then it's not biased? Amazing.
(DIR) Post #AUuUtRwD6T5d6hqZeq by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:35:32Z
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@thatguyoverthere Happy to amaze :-D
(DIR) Post #AUuUuYQ0UhKRUoJKXg by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:35:53Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo "legal". now we have violent armed state sponsored thugs keeping others from exercising their natural right of self defense with proper means.
(DIR) Post #AUuV57QLCRmkxWVLV2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:37:50Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere Very much doubt that but happy to look at the numbers to try to find out.
(DIR) Post #AUuVD634CIHx0gQFRg by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:39:21Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven why? if someone wants to kill others he'll just use a knife, hammer or a car like we have seen.
(DIR) Post #AUuVDFaiiXYWbfEkeO by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:39:22Z
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@bonifartius @thatguyoverthere @freemo Ah, now i'm on board again. "Lützerath", a german town with a coal quarry, has had those thugs. They forcefully removed peaceful protestors against the mining of coal unnecessary for our energy needs. In truely american style, instead of peaceful protest, maybe lots of guns could have yielded a better result. Purely hypothetical, but humans killing other humans might just be better for the environment.
(DIR) Post #AUuVNmn28mPGSx1J0C by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:41:12Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere You wanted an example of why i thought yojr arguments are bad faith, you have another example.of it here
(DIR) Post #AUuVPEE3cVuBqXLdyq by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:41:32Z
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@bonifartius You do realize that hammers or knives yield higher risk for the attacker, right? If i told you "shoot that bear", that might sound feasible. What about i give you a knife instead and let you have at it? Changes the "courage" needed, doesn't it?
(DIR) Post #AUuVVk7zvB6kWjcVcm by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:42:39Z
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@freemo @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere So then, what thugs are we talking about? It is in extremely bad faith to just pose "thugs" and then critizise me.
(DIR) Post #AUuVfF95y2xXKhfCbo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:44:22Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere No not listing thr thugs may be incomplete but not bad faith. Your response woukd be to ask (as you did) and thrn if thr other person is arguing in good faith thry will answer, which they also did.
(DIR) Post #AUuVum3jsTs9kxZ1SS by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:47:13Z
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@freemo @bonifartius You kind of ignore how it is relevant. The coal was reported to be unnecessary, the protest legit, the police working for the interests of the industry, not the people. They were state sponsored thugs in this instance, forgive me for exaggerating things to show how absurd i find the idea of using violence here.
(DIR) Post #AUuVxsGpF2QJt9ABVo by Dicer@poa.st
2023-04-22T12:47:48.847038Z
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@MelodyCooper Dirty fucking niggers don't get a right to be heard until they move to Africa
(DIR) Post #AUuW1DBJx013c1BDAe by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:48:23Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven this isn't about american style any more than there are americans who are voluntaryist :)to be beaten and robbed by the state and still thinking it's a good idea to have armed gangs with a monopoly on violence is a bit weird.you wouldn't have had lüzerath in the first place as the state couldn't simply disown people for the "common good".@thatguyoverthere @freemo
(DIR) Post #AUuW6RrMnyAEaFLMgq by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:49:20Z
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@bonifartius I don't understand why you would trust private ownership to be more in the interest of the common good?
(DIR) Post #AUuW7WaKipLhWotCwS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:49:29Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius No i dont ignore it.. relevant or not they may have been arguing poorly (thats debatable) but thats not bad faith. A bad faith argument is when you intentionally and blindly try to manipulate the conversation to win.If i thought they **intentionally** hid or lied about who they are, sure. Bjt no they were happy to explain so not bad faith.
(DIR) Post #AUuWBgGOgChWhhXvge by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:50:16Z
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@freemo @bonifartius I did use exaggeration, i'll give you that. But i would argue that bad faith arguments are a bit more than that.
(DIR) Post #AUuWFg6NDs2ZMQlQUi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:50:54Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Oh thats easy, immediate, extreme, tax funded access to therapy and medication for everyone. Implement this immediately and you will find easily the biggest short term solution that also has thr benefit of working even better as a long term solution
(DIR) Post #AUuWLzexQ71tkux4BU by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:52:07Z
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@freemo That's a positive approach i appreciate very much. I would think there needs to be more, like work against poverty, but your suggestion is doubtlessly a good one.
(DIR) Post #AUuWOZ0kxFwRyZNDjk by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:52:34Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven because private ownership never tried to fuck with me yet. they might just do it, but that still is to be seen.additionally, corpocracy happens _because_ of a state enabling it by providing said thugs and keeping people from defending themselves.
(DIR) Post #AUuWPMH5nJ7klQOSVE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:52:39Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius I agree exageration isnt really the factor that makes it bad faith. The mocking is strongly suggestive though, which is how the exageration comes across.
(DIR) Post #AUuWTQazfemFK7duVc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:53:27Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven you asked for short term and immediate solutions. Fixing poverty is very impactful but also more of a long term sokution and not quite as easy to address
(DIR) Post #AUuWV3U4ZQFmDuBJFA by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:53:46Z
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@freemo @bonifartius Hmm, i need to consider that. I guess the disinformation guy riled me up a bit with his bad faith stuff, i guess i should take longer pauses between responses.
(DIR) Post #AUuWggkeumvVC8UEhE by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:55:18Z
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@freemo @bonifartius Hmm, i need to consider that. I guess the disinformation guy riled me up a bit with his bad faith stuff, i guess i should take longer pauses between responses. Sorry, @bonifartius - you were not who i meant with the tone. Point stands, though.
(DIR) Post #AUuWpBIBFWHSEQDQyO by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T12:56:54Z
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@bonifartius It seems we have very different personal outlooks. Can't really imagine it is possible to discuss this rationally in the brevity needed here. Would be more like days of talking than a few messages.
(DIR) Post #AUuXNmk0WQ3qDsjReC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:03:39Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius Kts all good. Fairly minor really. Just wanted to point it out
(DIR) Post #AUuYS3cdnefFgvt58a by robryk@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:15:09Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Do you think something similar still applies if there's a required and the evaluator explicitly has no access to the candidate's medical history? (Or would that be infeasible enough to be useless?)
(DIR) Post #AUuYcxM1Rd2RR9JM5Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:17:34Z
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@robryk @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven While that might aflddress part of the concern it seems a recipie for abuse, especially in a field that is known for quite an abundance of false positives and inconsistency when it comes to diagnosing.Its basically the equivelant of saying "Get some government agent to talk to you, if you feel suspicious you can just deny them a gun"... i mean if you want to create a standardized test for it maybe, but even then sounds like a recipie for abuse.
(DIR) Post #AUuYr9xhMm3YaphrzE by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:17:01Z
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@robryk @freemo Hmm, that approach weighs on trust in the institution not to abuse power, which would be what freemo doubted. I would ask if with this little trust, the administration can be legitimate at all.
(DIR) Post #AUuYrAkGSCu91SQega by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:20:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @robryk Youd need a standardized way, and frankly psychiatry juat gets it wrong too often, e en if i did trust the govt to act responsibly i dont think the medical institutions are able to reliably and accirately diagnose people. False positives are rampant, which isnt so harmful for a person seeking help(you usually try deveral competing diagnosis ubtil one works). But in a gun ownership setting where the first, and likely wrong, diagnosis sticks... yea no sorry that just sounds like a bad move.
(DIR) Post #AUuYx7VpO1bsjXVpui by skobkin@lor.sh
2023-04-22T13:21:15Z
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@Kang_Kong2 @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @freemo And of course you have a lot of proven cause and effect relation arguments besides some post hoc ergo propter hoc statements?
(DIR) Post #AUuZBE1FzU48y6wHFA by robryk@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:23:44Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven Why would the first diagnosis stick? I would expect the setup to be roughly along the lines "if you think it's wrong, you can appeal, but then a larger number of doctors get to examine you and their majority opinion is adopted". In such a setup, ignoring issues of cost, you'd be asking for a consensus of a random(?) subset of local psychologists. Are you pointing at the cost issues or something else?
(DIR) Post #AUuZpfrNtmNWtlbo3M by CrustyB@poa.st
2023-04-22T13:31:09.372325Z
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@MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUubkE3a2jNL81qKUy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:52:31Z
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@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven Thats true, first diagnosis may not need to stick. So how about this, handke it like a court. A person takes a standard test with standard questions. If all 12 of 12 randomly selected doctors who arent allowed to talk all come up with ide tical diagnosis it sticks. The person can appeal once a year and if even one doctor disagrees with the diagnosis the diagnosis is repealed.I dont personally support this due to other concerns of abuse. But if this woukd be at all workable youd need a blind diagnosis requiring consensus.
(DIR) Post #AUudT0mULemmwLlfaC by robryk@qoto.org
2023-04-22T13:13:03Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo Having a psych eval as a prerequisite for a driving license doesn't sound totally weird. As an example, Zürich requires psych eval of drivers who have done something particularly reckless while driving if they want to keep being allowed to drive. I don't think it's required ahead of time for any license, but heavy vehicle/bus/... license requires a medical exam which I can't find the exact description of.
(DIR) Post #AUudT1NM8aHCmh1732 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T14:11:51.394020Z
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@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo first I think there is a difference between a previous offender and every person. Why am I expected to prove my trustworthiness when government agencies aren't required to do the same? I've done nothing that harms anyone in a way that is against the law. It's impossible for anyone to claim they've never done harm or lost self control or will never. Even infants have fits of rage. Augustine talked about this.
(DIR) Post #AUudWwv6e4ey7jfztI by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T14:11:47Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven no harm done! you can read https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/No_Treason or watch some videos of https://m.youtube.com/user/LarkenRose if you are interested where i got my ideas from ;)in essence it's about universal nonviolence except for self defense.
(DIR) Post #AUudg1L5aJNGR49gPo by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T14:14:13.273434Z
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@robryk @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo second I think if a person commits a crime and is convicted (it doesn't count if not) and they serve out their sentence, their debt to society should be considered repayed in almost all cases (all really if the punishment were to always fit the crime).
(DIR) Post #AUudwRihGl8Ut51uXw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T14:17:08Z
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@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk Id agree but i think it needs to be less punishment oriented and more recovery oriented. If your on parol i think its ok to have to prove yourself
(DIR) Post #AUueHsofikaH0T2ws4 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T14:21:02.097809Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk yes I agree. Just being lazy and using a euphemism but it's about restitution and recovery. I do think some crimes deserve at minimum life sentences if for no other reason than to protect innocent people from fully actualized monsters (rape, molestation, etc). But I believe any crime that has a specific temporal path to restitution should be basically expunged after the sentence has been served. If the sentence is insufficient then the law should be updated to reflect that.
(DIR) Post #AUug8xJVpW9SG0LJOC by MrFuzzland@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T14:41:51.024611Z
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@MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUugJx8QpoWKt8P5ns by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-04-22T14:43:50.774835Z
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@MelodyCooper We know from the shithouse that is Britain that you darkies will just pick up a knife to kill if you don't have guns, so rather than banning anything, if we really want to reduce gun violence, we should learn from the development of the nuclear bomb. Nothing creates peace like mutually assured destruction; so let's mandate that everyone be armed and train in the use of guns. Cops are almost always late to the party by several minutes, so it would be better if everyone was able to respond to hostiles. Ultimately this plan will save lives because dead murders can't murder anyone.
(DIR) Post #AUugvdu2mscGFGe6Km by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T14:50:37Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Fewer gun deaths usually also means fewer deaths in general. It doesn't have to, but it does.Obviously higher birth rate also causes more deaths :) But having a gun allows for more opportunities to intimidate and hurt people with it, opportunities that are often not available to people who's best available weapon is a kitchen knife.It also allows for some opportunities that aren't really possible with blunt force objects and blades, such as deadly accidents and mass killings. There's very few multiple death stabbings and almost no baseball bat suicides.And I have yet to hear a good argument for risks related to harder access to guns that isn't based on there being very easy access to guns.Poland has 40 million people and the number of mass shootings that can be counted on one hand within the living history. The same is true for the great majority of countries. US is a special case for many reasons - lack of social safety net is a big factor in violence in general, so is the mass incarceration - but you could only makes things better if you make sure a crazy person can't easily purchase an automatic rifle.
(DIR) Post #AUuh0TNTLcoh37iKDQ by honky@eveningzoo.club
2023-04-22T14:51:32.510938Z
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Your racist tripe is tired. Delete your account
(DIR) Post #AUuhJrrqWFJuVPAYRE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T14:54:02Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper The data suggests otherwise from what ive seen. But if ghats the case you want to make then make it. Dont provid unrelated data that doesnt say that.
(DIR) Post #AUuijLkceMO6NhVNDc by not_br549@jollyville.net
2023-04-22T15:10:51.185360Z
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I still remember Obomba's son Trayvon, when the 'news' was first published. News featured a picture of a cute 11 year old picaninny, and characterized Zimmerman as 'white'. Eventually the truth came out, the 'white' guy was a racial mutt, not all that white, and the picture of Trayvon was from 7 or 8 years ago, he was really a full grown 200 pound nigger with attitude problems ... the "mainstream" has only gotten worse since then, with their 'mostly peaceful protests', J6 'insurrection', etc, etc.
(DIR) Post #AUuj1Ox3UODtWIvbSC by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:12:36Z
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@thatguyoverthere @freemo @robryk Would it not be more important to reinstate voting rights? As far as i know, convicted felons don't get to vote after serving their sentence, is that right?
(DIR) Post #AUuj1PgQlgWFn29qBE by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:14:06.813322Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @robryk I think they should have all of their rights fully restored
(DIR) Post #AUujXKD6eTww5Aerj6 by not_br549@jollyville.net
2023-04-22T15:19:52.785864Z
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.. or mobbed and beaten by a gang of refugees from a no-go zone, and ignored by the press
(DIR) Post #AUukaQ0ZeU2st3pqWu by antares@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:31:36Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven there is a natural experiment that shows this. The FAA grounds pilots and controllers who have a medically diagnosed mental health issue. The result is that people in these professions do not seek treatment for their mental health issues because doing so means loosing their job.
(DIR) Post #AUulEEyU5uPWFYqXYW by KashKustomer@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T15:03:10.812192Z
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I wonder what he'd do to twofaced lying niggers acting like nigger kids weren't killed by other niggers every day of the yearhttps://wheelchairsagainstguns.org/13-year-old-chicago-kids-encouraged-brandish-gun-adult-gang-member/
(DIR) Post #AUulEFwOVAKhFMsNw8 by KashKustomer@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T15:10:43.925241Z
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I mean, I wonder why some old man would "just" shoot some nigger for "just" ringing his bell?https://youtu.be/AuZzyon0TAE
(DIR) Post #AUulGKHlJrTrIhrG0u by koropokkur@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T15:39:13.377319Z
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some fuckin mutt prolly brought over from Afghanistan.
(DIR) Post #AUulr3TslF83tg2aX2 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:18:03Z
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@thatguyoverthere @freemo @robryk It'd make a difference if the crime was related to violence if it is about gun rights. "Shoot people in any non-self-defense situation, don't get guns again." Softer measure to stop further violence than life long imprisonment, and if further violence is to be expected, it must be stopped. But voting rights are a must-have: this thing about taking them away is one of the reasons i do not consider the usa a democracy.
(DIR) Post #AUulr4Dc1Di0BVR6oK by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:45:51.086853Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @robryk it's a matter of what you consider to be a vital human right. As it stands today any person with an assault charge is legally not allowed to own a firearm. Does this mean people with previous violent records dont own guns? Of course not they just use alternative means to secure their firearms.People have the right to defend themselves. By imprisoning them we strip them of that right. When they have served their sentence their rights should be restored. You aren't stopping determined criminals by making it harder for someone who made a shit decision when they were 20 to defend themselves at 75.
(DIR) Post #AUulrTdLWg9F0YfVtQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:45:50Z
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@antares @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven It amazes me this needs to be told to antigun folks at all
(DIR) Post #AUulxvCvv4h2GTO4G0 by Amikke@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:08:56Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius you do realise that the victim potentially having hammers and knives yields less risk for the attacker, right? One of the cool things about guns is that a victim armed with a gun gas much better chances of defending themselves from an attacker with a gun than the same situation with melee weapons, especially since thugs tend to target weaker marks like women.
(DIR) Post #AUulxvore32CA78MNc by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:13:26Z
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@Amikke @bonifartius Ah, the old problem of “never sleep, always alert” again. Not a valid reason imo.
(DIR) Post #AUulxwvHXflJaJ901Q by Amikke@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:11:14Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @bonifartius this directly translates into disincentivising attacks.
(DIR) Post #AUulxwwhSOtdeho8ES by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:47:03Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @Amikke it’s my duty to my fellow humans to be alert. alertness is not panic. trading in alertness for comfort is a bad deal. alertness isn’t only limited to self defense situations. something burning? lost dog? old lady wants to cross the street? all of those require alertness.
(DIR) Post #AUum4UwjxMAOqOwtf6 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:47:16Z
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@thatguyoverthere Well, "a shit decision" and showing signs that a repeat offense would be different things, and thus should be treated differently. That's where good laws need to get complicated, because life is complicated.
(DIR) Post #AUum4VV7tVfkZ32MG8 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:48:16.789942Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven yeah maybe we can just give the decision to a computer program. It's nvince chatgpt99 that you deserve a firearm
(DIR) Post #AUumF7bF6DXLcYxX96 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:50:10Z
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@freemo @antares @thatguyoverthere It amazes me that this seems to leas to one clear conclusion for you folks. Did i get that right, pilots with mental health issues should not be grounded? Or what exactly are you saying? I would go the route with better help, not letting people become unemployed and forgotten, stuff like that. And with guns, is your argument really to let people with some predisposition to impulsive violence have guns so seeking help would not be impeded?
(DIR) Post #AUumFOMykVEDdFPsm0 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:50:15.463834Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven in the eyes of the law there is no difference without stepping on human rights and treating some people different from others. I thought that was bad.
(DIR) Post #AUumJBdm19INJO574q by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:50:56.805245Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @antares all people have a predisposition to violence under the right conditions.
(DIR) Post #AUumKdc7UzRuMK03zk by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:51:11Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @Amikke i’m pretty OT here, but the poison of “someone else handles that” is really evil. people even have no compassion anymore, except for when someone else tells them. someone else usually is the state or one of it’s fronts.
(DIR) Post #AUumNNHQgRuSZNcwLY by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:50:56Z
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@thatguyoverthere That seems unprompted. @freemo only calling me out on bad faith arguments here?
(DIR) Post #AUumNNyK6yDkiPhCCm by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:51:41.529924Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo It's a joke homie
(DIR) Post #AUumUC1muxjlhMYvC4 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:51:22Z
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@thatguyoverthere Is this about total nihilism or what exactly are you trying to tell me?
(DIR) Post #AUumUCbwkWf1VVTnYO by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:52:55.496075Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven I mean Jung talks about the shadow. Augustine talks about how infants are monsters. It shouldn't be news that human beings are omnivorous animals that have violence in our nature.
(DIR) Post #AUumUHBtinnLiAKZ96 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:52:53Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere I woukd say pilotes with mental health issues should not be grounded, 100%. Science is about going with what the nunbers say even when it defies your biases and assumptions.We know for a fact that the result of groubding people with mental health issues means more people with mental health issues wind up in the pilots seat.Are you claiming we should enact policies that are known to objectively increase the number of mental health issues flying planes?
(DIR) Post #AUumZJiHlr5Syxspwe by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:53:51.733922Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven not nihilism but realism
(DIR) Post #AUumfyUP4yNdBVZ596 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:52:21Z
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@thatguyoverthere @freemo Yep, what i had written before was also humorous in part. Homie.
(DIR) Post #AUumfz4Cvr1IyYJfxA by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T15:55:01.068774Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo we might not share the same sense of humor
(DIR) Post #AUump1iISfpVn3NbBg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T15:56:36Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere You think, despite being disproven by example, that forcing mental health consequences means people with mental health issues wont be doing the thing.You think the choice is between crazy people with guns/planes vs sane people.The reality is the argument is treated people who are now mentally healthy flying/owning planes/guns vs untreated people.It amazes me the republicans are out here trying to argue for better access to emntal health meanwhile democrats are trying to punish people who need access to mental health.You got it all backwards man.
(DIR) Post #AUunF22vqY9sLrQq9Y by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-04-22T16:01:21.566901Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere > impulses to violenceusually the game is to create a categorization and then slowly add everything to the categorization.that's how you end up with someone telling a doctor they are sad and now they are on 30 terrorist watch lists because of it and none of them make sense.
(DIR) Post #AUunMpcPw6X87mkV1M by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:02:44Z
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@icedquinn Very true, the TSA no fly list is an amazing example of why mental health evaluations will certainly be abused.@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere
(DIR) Post #AUunQBN1WJoGSH98u8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-04-22T16:03:23.107556Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere the entirety of the district attorney function is a showcase of shopping for enhancers to fit narratives.
(DIR) Post #AUupQoeDghoUBDcTz6 by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:21:09Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere They wouldn't be liable for the actions of another person, no. But knowingly selling a gun without doing a background check should be a felony in its own right. That's the goal of the UBC movement.
(DIR) Post #AUupQpNwwgOQT310GO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:25:47Z
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@LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere I suspect if you look at thr numbers not that many are the result of circumventing backgroubd checks.That said i am fine and support requiring background checks for private sales, but to do that youd have to give private owners access to the mechanisms to do it at the same price as a shop.
(DIR) Post #AUupiSC1udIdkaqPvk by Hank_Ikes@poa.st
2023-04-22T16:29:07.559560Z
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@MelodyCooper You want a solution to the problem?Total Nigger Death
(DIR) Post #AUupkkw1CaSaSLS9KK by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:27:03Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere It very much depends on the state. I have personal experience buying guns without background checks, even as recently as the last year, perfectly legally.
(DIR) Post #AUupuvBNxJ5T8RUJkG by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:31:18Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere As for your second point, I've heard it suggested that BGCs should be a service offered by the post office. Everyone has a post office nearby. The buyer and seller go to the post office (without the merchandise), the buyer gets background checked, then when they leave the seller can sell with a clean conscience. Everyone wins.
(DIR) Post #AUuq0AsX1fi3GNArcO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:32:13Z
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@LouisIngenthron @admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere Sounds fine by me.
(DIR) Post #AUuqPhZ6dPlHsXGCcC by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:36:55Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper US has an incredibly high murder rate for its level of income. Source is mentioned.
(DIR) Post #AUuqVGlRC3cQUggQEa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:37:51Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper Yes, yes it does... not particularly relevant (unless you have more to add), but it surely does
(DIR) Post #AUurDhBCLIbTA5usjo by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:45:10Z
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@freemo @antares @thatguyoverthere Wait, was this not meant as "mental health issues relevant to flight safety"?
(DIR) Post #AUurOKwTMSz7NY6RPs by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:47:52Z
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@freemo @antares @thatguyoverthere As far as i can see, there are no sane people. The question is more how severe conditions are. So to clarify: Generally, if i speak of any mental illness, i mean such that are relevant to the topic. So for guns, conditions that cause problems with regulating anger. For planes, conditions that would making flying unsafe, like concentration issues or vertigo inducing stuff etc.
(DIR) Post #AUurYrPlU5p4zCp2au by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:48:58Z
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@freemo @icedquinn @antares @thatguyoverthere Rather an amazing example of american exceptionalism.
(DIR) Post #AUurhGuGacn4Mg6FyC by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:48:28Z
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@icedquinn @antares @freemo @thatguyoverthere Was thinking more of people with a history of getting into violent fights, attacking others.
(DIR) Post #AUurhHU4RVQk9iqqmG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-04-22T16:51:15.770901Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @freemo @thatguyoverthere yes they already use the incrementalism game on those too. you can't have a gun if you have "domestic dispute" records.punching a family member who has been abusing you for weeks can count as that.
(DIR) Post #AUus4O7Fx1e1NwCMfQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:55:25Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @icedquinn @antares @thatguyoverthere That too, im all for abolishing the TSA and fixing that
(DIR) Post #AUusBQXZKrkuvnrXDE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-04-22T16:56:45.203906Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere i've been making the shitpost because of that resurfaced article that theres no correlation between congress and the public."domestic extremism is when you force the government to do its fucking job."
(DIR) Post #AUusE0EdavgKDQEfuy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:57:06Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere Doesnt change the fact your proposing a solution to a problem that is known in several examples to make thr problem worse.Why woukd you want to enact a policy that results in more people with inappropriate mental conditions flying or owning guns?
(DIR) Post #AUusPm8romopyv9NGy by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T16:59:20Z
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@freemo @antares You have not explained how such a policy (relevant conditions mean pilots are grounded) would make _more_ pilots fly while they are not safe to. I did propose leaving nobody unemployed because of this, so where is the mechanism that would still make it explicitly worse?
(DIR) Post #AUusSEAYaIUDUB6s0e by Titanbreakerkun@poa.st
2023-04-22T14:54:13.945609Z
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@Humpleupagus @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUusUEHb8JnUPvMFCS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T17:00:04Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares @thatguyoverthere It was, but as explained it causes people in those industries to avoid seeking mental health therapy... so knowing thats the case why are you supporting a policy for both guns and pilots that cause more people with mental health issues, untreated, to exist?
(DIR) Post #AUusaU9B3zbXMAOzwW by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T17:01:16Z
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@freemo @antares And are you, in turn, saying that if someone is obviously not able to do either safely, we should let them?
(DIR) Post #AUusyy2xY4bF2TAT0C by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T17:05:36Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @antares Nope im not nor never suggested it. There is no way to disallow them without havi g tbe opposite effect. So no such option is availible.
(DIR) Post #AUuttBKrKQdyTBLTF2 by internetfreak@poa.st
2023-04-22T17:15:53.424482Z
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@MelodyCooper Fuck you nigger, youre in the wrong neighborhood to be postong this shit thinking you wont get any pushback
(DIR) Post #AUuuvm8xY1pHA3a1E8 by Curvin@poa.st
2023-04-22T17:27:33.674791Z
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@MelodyCooper One less dindu is one less dindu, wrong house or not, another nigger is burning in hell.
(DIR) Post #AUuvpap6p5PgGjuXIG by Druid@poa.st
2023-04-22T17:36:26.079524Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 What would Jesus thinks of guns?Luke 22:36 "And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one."Matt. 10:24 "Do not think I came to bring peace on the earth; I came not to bring peace but a sword."It's a mystery... But it's a moot point since, you don't really care what Christ believed in the first place. A better question to ask is why we have more school shootings now when there are background checks, gun restricted areas, and a myriad of gun restrictions, than we did without those restrictions, back when you could buy a gun from a magazine ad. And why despite being illegal to purchase or own, felons with a history of violent crime (often currently on bail/bond or parole for said violent crimes) still manage to acquire and use firearms for more crimes.
(DIR) Post #AUv28yeV3FMLOrZhiq by NBForrest@pieville.net
2023-04-22T18:48:17Z
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@MelodyCooper The vast majority of Whites are responsible with guns. The problem is blacks: remove them, and America's "gun" violence problem virtually vanishes to a Switzerland level; adults there are issued fully automatic guns by the government, but there are almost no murders committed with them because they're not rabid apes.
(DIR) Post #AUv3NXMCuqJN2mWcl6 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:02:13.320331Z
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/three-alabama-teens-charged-with-murder-in-sweet-16-party-shooting/ar-AA1a58HOI had to look for 5 minutes to find the article with pictures of the murderers again. Why do you think that all the newer articles at the top of the search show White people mourning and White police?No way they did that on purpose right?By the way, todays equivalent of the money changers would NOT be the NRA. It would be the banks and the ADL which are ran by the same people who ran the Atlantic slave trade and are now trying to enslave the whole world.White people are on edge because Black crime is becoming worse but I guarantee you it is safer for a Black to walk through the biggest KKK town at night than it is for White people to walk through Compton or the bad part of Chicago any time of the day.If you want someone to legitimately blame then go read Farrakhan's book about the history of jews and Blacks instead of blaming the people who have been funding welfare programs for the last nearly one hundred years.
(DIR) Post #AUv4P5X5RC5pHTuwj2 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:13:42.292660Z
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If they ban the "gunshow loophole" which is a bullshit lie, then I guess the Whites can always buy guns from the trunks of Cadillacs in Chicago right?Laws haven't stopped them at all. ATF also allows them to have fully automatic switches on their pistols too.Do you have any bright ideas that might actually work to lower crime?
(DIR) Post #AUv4YZtluJcO473Mie by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-04-22T19:15:25.205591Z
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@GabeLakmann @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere Every gun show I've been to, even small ones are crawling with cops checking IDs and purchases.
(DIR) Post #AUv4cKL5hNJyy1cSVk by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:16:05.757214Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo it's a gaslit way to attack private sale nothing more
(DIR) Post #AUv4e5D2vCeUcdh4bY by BigTLarrity@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:16:23.945547Z
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I haven't been to a gun show since around 2017. The last one I went to quite literally had more cop presence than actual people looking to buy or sell. There were probably 400 cops there and maybe 200 attendees
(DIR) Post #AUv4pEZGT40MpeP4fg by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-04-22T19:18:25.798553Z
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@BigTLarrity @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere I'd feel more comfortable making a japanese blunderbuss than trying to buy a weapon at a gun show.
(DIR) Post #AUv4vL98vBIyyO644e by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:19:31.845024Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo or the fgc-9 or plastikov. There is no way to take guns away from determined people.
(DIR) Post #AUv4zm2as2SzXi9DXs by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:17:34Z
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@GabeLakmann @freemo There were some toots where freemo acknowlegded that there are underlying problems. I'd say the discussion is pretty far off from any useful path, with guns as core topic.
(DIR) Post #AUv4zmaGqpPBE9u72O by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:20:14Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @GabeLakmann The things is i care about what is tbe most usefulnpath, full stop... you seem to care about the dicussion if and only if it frames guns as thr core problem. You literally go in with an incorrect and biased "fact" as a premis. That will never work.
(DIR) Post #AUv50EEy1d090C9Uie by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:20:25.171179Z
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Those "paper trails" don't prevent crime you moron. What is more important to you, preventing crime in the first place or making it ever so slightly easier to solve crime cases?
(DIR) Post #AUv56hehZcqzy8HD0K by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:21:31Z
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@freemo You really think i do? Or am i misreading this and taking it personal for no reason?
(DIR) Post #AUv5CpG2DoubHfesJU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:22:38Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven im just pointing out what you literally said in the message i responded to.
(DIR) Post #AUv5KjhGmRqYM2AXnE by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:20:22Z
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@thatguyoverthere @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @Shadowbroker2135 @freemo Nukes. Nukes work, the guns are just part of the glass crater then. (just joking, homie)
(DIR) Post #AUv5KkKcQ9K2K4Zy7s by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:24:06.520907Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @Shadowbroker2135 @freemo yeah and f-15s is another common argument when you get into the people vs government debate, but realistically speaking the government is more likely to send guns after guns than any kind of artillery or explosive if they can. Nukes, bombs, and fighter jets would destroy infrastructure which a government isn't likely to do to itself.
(DIR) Post #AUv5Qjl1T5suHOmnI0 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:25:12.617042Z
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That is exactly why so many soldiers refuse to ask for help with their ptsd issues. If you want people to seek mental health help then you must make it beneficial to them and not a weapon to be used against them.This is the first good post of yours that I've read.
(DIR) Post #AUv5T38MOkWKxBnx1E by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:25:33Z
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@freemo Eh, if i stay on-topic, its bad. If i go off-topic by pointing out there is another, more important underlying problem, also bad. I generally don't see guns as the reason there are problems, but immediately, less guns means less holes in people while the problems are being fixed. Nothing more.
(DIR) Post #AUv5TME1PvL4AFbEyu by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:25:40.968118Z
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Happens in America too though.
(DIR) Post #AUv5hJbfwvEA66JqRU by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:28:12.140347Z
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@GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo yes but in America you or a witness can still shoot the assailant. In Europe you just get to watch
(DIR) Post #AUv5tN1j3iv4BDFhFw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:30:16Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven except it wasnt really a change in problem. We are addressing the same problem (all the killing) but by requiring a prerequsite of thr dicussion being to frame the same problem but only with sokutions that assune your opinions are correct going in.. its basically "i know im bias but lets have a discussion where we assume my biases are correct".. it isnt bad so much as it will never give you a honest world view if you cant accept the solutions to a problem exist outside your proposed solution.Less guns means more people dead, thr fact that the shape of the holes change seem like a poor measure of success.
(DIR) Post #AUv61zfvFWMmMWAL32 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:31:56.617046Z
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Do you have an OnlyFans account?
(DIR) Post #AUv63oUpmbdiGqqZxA by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:32:16.315288Z
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true
(DIR) Post #AUv68fCTlyo2t5ZfdI by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:33:05Z
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@freemo So maybe the guns are irrelevant, and then you are as wrong as i was :-)
(DIR) Post #AUv6CWelTqRRY1e8P2 by Honksaw_Duggan@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:33:50.674327Z
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(DIR) Post #AUv6FLgEkKbKNGgHUe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:34:16Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven My solution to the problem has always been free easy access and normalization of mental health... so id say if the problem has little to do with guns then id be more likely to be right.
(DIR) Post #AUv6MPaMco9gVtIm9I by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:35:36Z
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@freemo I did agree to that part, so there we were both right. Shame, how the topic was so off the mark that nothing good came off of it.
(DIR) Post #AUv6UE876IjhIioYwy by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:37:02.765059Z
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I've seen otherwise but it's been about 2 years since I've been to one. I also live in a different area but it is still bullshit they do that.I've heard of atf driving around and scanning license plates too.
(DIR) Post #AUv6WVtq0JgszZEAPg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:37:21Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven If we agree that is the most effective step 1 then ask yourself, everytime you hear of a mass murder are you posing about guns, or better mental health access? Since mental health access is as we agree, a far greater and more impactful solution then why isnt that the one your putting on blast?
(DIR) Post #AUv6bcoTj8l9sk9rZQ by Honksaw_Duggan@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T19:38:22.765172Z
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Maybe niggers and queers should all be rounded up and shot to solve this problem once and for allKys sheboon sow
(DIR) Post #AUv6fVcQPxJej9N8k4 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:39:04.873753Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProvenhttps://xmr-psychologist.com/I have never used it but the idea Seems to be affordable private access to mental health resources. More psychologists should do this.
(DIR) Post #AUv6hNTvdrRe4OHzbU by Frondeur@poa.st
2023-04-22T19:39:25.309989Z
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@MelodyCooper absolutely! disarm niggers!
(DIR) Post #AUv6pLh8AbX0qOGVlY by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:40:50Z
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@freemo I put quite some stuff on blast, as you say. Not gun stuff, i just joined a discussion in progress there. I would see poverty in times of excess as the primary evil, but mental health access is important too. Of joining in a discussion about guns, we are equally guilty.
(DIR) Post #AUv6rKskA8uAu1e1RY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:41:08Z
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@thatguyoverthere From what therapists told me anonymized therapy in the usa is illegal. Not sure of tbr details though.@admitsWrongIfProven
(DIR) Post #AUv6yd2d2pNnFZkIbY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:42:28Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven The gun discussion i entered into was largely to point out why we shouldnt have thr gun discussion, because its not important...
(DIR) Post #AUv7DajZuBXsRDyBkW by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T19:45:14.409668Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven if so that's just wrong. This guy is from Germany but nothing on his sight says he wouldn't talk to an American. Maybe more foreign doctors should do this haha :smile:
(DIR) Post #AUv7LMy6y9ZC3sTbJw by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:45:44Z
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@freemo I guess i can't read all of this, with my limited free time. Trusting you on this one. I must say it is an interesting thing, how we had calm discussion switching to trolling by some parties, switching back... quite the effective distraction from the underlying problems, which we both can't solve.
(DIR) Post #AUv7P5sQSRH6D8ap1s by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:47:11Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven eh, its been good hearing everyones views. I dunno i have enough reach i probably contribute to this problem more than it would seem so even to me.
(DIR) Post #AUv7fmYhXFTZDgKBTk by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:50:15Z
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@freemo Question is in what direction. I'm no saint here, made enough toots with way too little context, but you did push some stuff that sounded quite different than what you tell me now ^^ In the end, it is like in any company of sufficient size i have ever seen: the problems are known, but the powers that be refuse any solution. We should laugh, because that is more enjoyable than crying.
(DIR) Post #AUv7re197JxACkHmMK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:52:23Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven If i contradicted myself feel free to point out where and i can hopefully address it.
(DIR) Post #AUv8ArmUAWUYOSau00 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:55:51Z
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@freemo No, i don't say you contradicted yourself. I'm talking about the stuff with banning <-> background checks. A lot you said there is quite triggering, which could be prevented if you showed a more complete picture - some of your toots read like you meant to make guns available completely unregulated, while you did not actually mean that.
(DIR) Post #AUv8jhJ56UPC2lRv3A by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T19:57:31Z
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@thatguyoverthere Oh i do talk to americans. Just not in gun range ^^
(DIR) Post #AUv8ji0gUNHeDzqk0u by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-04-22T20:02:14.573330Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven yeah because we're all just poppin off at the barrel and somehow avoiding the jail... LolThe guy in question was a psychologist that seems to actually want to help people who feel like going through normal mental health channels might get them into trouble in some way. This seems like a good thing whether done on person or not. His site says it's over matrix or jitsi or something which is cool because you can maintain some privacy and seek help. I think this is important if we actually want people to seek help.
(DIR) Post #AUv8kLxBymG26kWW7k by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T20:01:22Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven I think ive been pretty co sistent on the backgrojnd check system.. the current system is very effective, other than addressing the private sale loophole i am all for using the current way backgroubd checks work, which is fairly effective outside of the mentioned loopholes.Where can i clarify my stance, i do lean towards less regulation than most people, but i never claimed it shoukd be ubregulated
(DIR) Post #AUv8oWO38B2Xcl4bo0 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T20:03:05Z
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@freemo You don't have to explain to me, i have now understood what you mean. I merely meant to point out that some toots that you wrote could be read that way, especially if read in isolation - and we both know that happens. Trying to help here, not trying to put you down.
(DIR) Post #AUv8yMd2GbTkFsmBqy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-22T20:04:45Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven if you have a specific toot that reads that way id love to see it.I suspect people get triggered and assume that when i saw nothing of the sort... i put 0 effort into mitigating other people making assumptions ;)
(DIR) Post #AUv9PKE1JKwScTvozg by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T20:09:42Z
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@freemo Eh, i scrolled a bit, but i don't feel up for it. So many toots. You're adult enough to make somthing off this without link, if you want. And if you don't want to, we still had some interesting time here.
(DIR) Post #AUv9Z7vxrdlJOY9zGK by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-04-22T20:10:57Z
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@undefined @freemo Eh, i scrolled a bit, but i don't feel up for it. So many toots. You're adult enough to make somthing off this without link, if you want. And if you don't want to, we still had some interesting time here.
(DIR) Post #AUvINzE0noxKmqMe5Q by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T21:50:22.143643Z
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You're right, people are the problem, but could we be more specific?
(DIR) Post #AUvIW8D5HRHAyCoXFg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T21:51:50.425014Z
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Being shot by whom? Do these people shooting children have anything in common we could use to identify them?
(DIR) Post #AUvIjlVOUb0Sbgsabg by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-04-22T21:54:17Z
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@thatguyoverthereGuerrilla therapy. I like it 😏@admitsWrongIfProven @freemo
(DIR) Post #AUvJfxYJrL9mlZzs5A by c@shitpost.cloud
2023-04-22T22:04:18.131385Z
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I'm sorry you have ugly nigger hair but that's no excuse to act like this.
(DIR) Post #AUvJiaiZDNCooZ2rBY by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T22:05:18.407706Z
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My question: So why in God’s name would you give guns to the problem?I oftentimes find myself asking why we give guns to niggers.
(DIR) Post #AUvJoi3wosVHKcxmd6 by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2023-04-22T22:06:19.739751Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 using this same line of reasoning, you could say that all trains should be banned: because unfortunately some of those suicidal will choose to jump in front of a train. Or, perhaps we should ban ropes so people cannot hang themselves. No mountain climbing tho! That would require ropes and those are dangerous!Sarcasm aside, the point is, suicide by gun (or by any other method) is not a problem of the tool being used. It's a problem of people having critically bad mental health, be it from stress, abusive living conditions or lack of access to primary needs. This isn't a gun problem, and therefore you cannot use random suicide statistics as an anti-gun argument. And like with suicides, in many other cases of gun-related incidents or violence, there's usually more going on than meets the eye. Taking guns away won't necessarily fix the violence. Rather than looking at the gun, the question should be why the incident happened in the first place. Why was violence chosen? What are the circumstances of the event? The devil is in the details. Personally I think this pro-gun or anti-gun debate is just distracting from where our focus should actually be. One last pro-tip: articles in the media are tainted with sensationalism. Do not promptly be swayed by whatever they write; they might be manipulating your opinion.
(DIR) Post #AUvKQKoLiVFoDqblia by SKracket@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T22:13:10.862020Z
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Hey what happened in Phoenix on the same day? What color of person murdered a 12 year old White boy? The murderer looked like you, hint hint.
(DIR) Post #AUvQSg4oDrnmTpo85g by PorkCow@freespeechextremist.com
2023-04-22T23:20:52.177193Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @stormy178 >Be in a world where cars are regulated like guns>Pickup trucks banned>minivans banned>Anything bigger than a yugo is strictly for military use>Background checks for every dealership visit>separate licenses for buying and operating vehicles>automatic transmission banned>Need to life saving travel in Europe you're already dead>ATF agents ran over your wife and dog because what are yoy gonna do about itI have decided you should livestream yourself gargling bleach to increase the world's IQ
(DIR) Post #AUvQojxKTof0smpTMG by jmw150@poa.st
2023-04-22T23:24:51.105541Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @zleap @MelodyCooper The correlation coefficient on gun ownership vs homicide against the one for races is something.
(DIR) Post #AUvS1QO0eP4DuIv9kW by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:38:21.005687Z
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1087, at all times.
(DIR) Post #AUvS2VdEdK3YSvYlHc by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T23:38:32.226869Z
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You realizealmostall shootings are violent niggers
(DIR) Post #AUvS8vZR6fVCeOqLcO by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T23:39:41.971172Z
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This nigger didnt ring the wrong doorbell,unless your argument ishe is too retarded to know the right house
(DIR) Post #AUvSBZMg7ik8eK8TVA by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:40:10.828257Z
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This really is just sending a statement that if someone’s up in your shit, just shoot them dead or something because it’s clear we’re going to end up giving niggers millions of dollars while niggers can freely shoot a White family and barely get a damned thing for their suffering and hospital bills, since this decrepit Satano-Judeac nation loves itself some damned niggers.
(DIR) Post #AUvSIVhS9ErLJHA8a8 by LurkPerry@poa.st
2023-04-22T23:41:09.801977Z
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@MelodyCooper Looks like he went to the right house to me 😏
(DIR) Post #AUvSJviCv9kcH6ByyW by d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T23:41:41.353529Z
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I can buy a car without a license or insurance lol
(DIR) Post #AUvSZ1vi5Mhru1hyyG by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:44:25.459769Z
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Coalburner physiognomy in that last one. Yikes.
(DIR) Post #AUvSbN2SZfGJwwyv7g by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:44:50.748988Z
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“But I DID eat lunch.”
(DIR) Post #AUvSisPaKR3THKNSE4 by DEERBLOOD@poa.st
2023-04-22T23:46:12.122121Z
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@Humpleupagus @Shadowbroker2135 @MelodyCooper "Yo bruh, we need to do lunch sometime dawg"
(DIR) Post #AUvSjoqX4P4aVhQnHU by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:46:21.025725Z
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NO you stupid nigger, I was asking you how you would feel if you had not eaten lunch :acat_angry:
(DIR) Post #AUvSmFJRdjKNAo70Ai by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:46:48.723310Z
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ButIdideatlunch.Your tax dollars paid for it by the way, thanks cracker, now die rayciss beech sheeit.
(DIR) Post #AUvSmJ8xOfJb3REgNc by jmw150@poa.st
2023-04-22T23:46:49.306598Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @zleap @MelodyCooper At least blacks, that are capable of filling out surveys, can feel the problem, even though they seem to have little clue that it is basically local to just them.
(DIR) Post #AUvTSpjyalByJapT3A by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-22T23:54:30.615440Z
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I know of several people who have been injured by illegal aliens with no drivers license and no insurance and one person who was KILLED by one and yet I know of no one who has been injured by firearms and I guarantee you many others have similar experiences but please do go on about how cars are more regulated than firearms.Those same illegals get firearms too and cause crimes with them in the USA and also send them back across the border so the cartels can use them in violent crime.mexicans also make straw purchases for the cartels and send the guns back to mexico where they are used to victimize BLACK BODIES in this specific case. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/20/americas/mexico-matamoros-us-citizens-kidnapping-gun-charge/index.html
(DIR) Post #AUvTiEb8SGZ3kj2OMC by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-22T23:57:12.826764Z
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@Owl @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @Xenophon you should drink a crystal Pepsi you seem upset
(DIR) Post #AUvTmVlwXjfUAz8GUi by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-22T23:58:03.751067Z
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Do you ever post anything interesting or good at all? You were filtered on NCD by default through no decision of my own and now I’m starting to think I should do the same for you here. :(
(DIR) Post #AUvU5fuX4YQZ7eHtom by BenChampagne@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:01:31.801659Z
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Kill yourself, or wait a couple years and the grids will.
(DIR) Post #AUvU5gxlA2bSNwnzUG by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-23T00:01:30.750311Z
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@Owl @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @Xenophon go for it niggeroni my cunny games TOO strong for ricejews.digital
(DIR) Post #AUvUD2T1bgxv6fvstE by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:02:51.585404Z
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Heh hell yeah I’m a retard what’s upMirin’.
(DIR) Post #AUvUF3q3TkezwIfXdo by BenChampagne@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:03:13.280384Z
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Jesus would mow down every nigger in this country with divine bullets spewing from dual-wielded heavenly AKs.You don't know Christ, faggot.
(DIR) Post #AUvV7g2BgUGc2SO2e8 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:13:05.345801Z
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Filtered?
(DIR) Post #AUvVEn7liplY3TOE4W by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:14:19.748732Z
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Yeah I could never see him on NCD so I think he was defederated?
(DIR) Post #AUvVNyGHgPfRCekYqG by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-23T00:15:49.907497Z
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@Owl @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @Xenophon you nailed it. My funny games too strong and Matty defederated me
(DIR) Post #AUvVOSXh6FQ37L7t8y by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:16:07.752125Z
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Lol Matty kicked your ass.
(DIR) Post #AUvVXKGhEScg3tP50a by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-23T00:17:40.740569Z
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@Owl @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @Xenophon naw Matty cried and blocked me cause of a picture someone else drew. Pretty weak manlet behavior if you ask me. Then again all you gab rejects are really just spoiled soy milk manifest so what can you expect
(DIR) Post #AUvVg82k3Psskj4e3s by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:19:18.979727Z
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I was never on Gab. Captain Fuggetabagel or whatever Jewish thing his name is was though.A picture someone drew? Of what?
(DIR) Post #AUvVnfrEjOl5eZI46S by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-23T00:20:40.709221Z
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@Owl @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @Xenophon I've already told you what I posted in 2 messages now. It seems your a little too stupid to have this conversation
(DIR) Post #AUvVpE5kw1Pk7Op13w by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:20:57.935397Z
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What was the picture OF, dingdong?
(DIR) Post #AUvW1CG1a4Vlu7Kh5E by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:23:07.719564Z
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https://www.cato.org/immigration-research-policy-brief/drunk-driving-deaths-illegal-immigration#background"In 2019, more than 10,000 people were killed in alcohol‐impaired‐driving accidents, meaning that drunk driving was responsible for almost 28 percent of all traffic deaths."https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/In 2019 there were 14,414 gun deaths that were homicides so gun deaths are slightly worse than drunk driving deaths. Gun deaths that are suicide do NOT count because suicidal people will always find a way to kill themselves.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/23/young-black-men-teens-made-up-more-than-third-2019-gun-homicides/4559929001/https://moguldom.com/338709/homicides-against-black-americans-increased-by-1000-deaths-in-2020/We all know that these increase aren't due to Whites murdering Blacks. I sympathize with you because you seem to care about your people and are trying to fix a problem but you are "armed" with incorrect data and are placing blame upon the wrong things.If you want to get to the root of the problem then start looking at WHO moved all the jobs out of our communities and WHO made gangster rap so popular. Those same people are also responsible for allowing illegal immigration which disproportionately affects lower and middle class Blacks more than it does Whites and it had been pretty damn bad for Whites. The same people responsible for the state of modern Black America are the same people responsible for the decline in ALL of America.I feel bad for Black people because jews stole them from their homeland and forced them into slavery all across the Americas and the island countries near there during the Atlantic slave trade and I support reparations of at least $100,000 each for those who choose to return to Africa but the people who would be financially responsible for paying would be mostly jewish along with a very small group of elite European families who have connections to those jews and have built their generational wealth off of exploiting Blacks and working class Whites.I admire your love of your people and would like to help you because it would benefit all of us if the true perpetrators of the slave trade and the cause of the increase in Black on Black and Black on White violence were made known to the public.What do you think about the anti-BDS laws that so many states have been passing? It's weird how White people are supposed to have so much power and yet we don't have any laws that prevent people from making honest criticisms against us, not that there is as much criticism to be made against Whites as there are jews.You ever look into the REAL history behind "blood diamonds?"The DeBeers diamond mining company is jewish, along with nearly all other diamond companies and most all of the companies exploiting the resources in Africa and stealing from the Africans. How will Africa ever become a decent country if jews and the chinese who have deep connections to jews are allowed to steal the resources which rightfully belong to Africans?I hope you don't block me because I'd like to have a civil conversation with you and learn more about what you think and why you think. Like I've said before, I think you have good intentions and want the best for your people and I want the same for mine so we have at least that in common.If we look for the things we have in common first instead of the things that are different and divide us we can accomplish so much more. We will never completely agree with each other on everything but we should work together on the things we do agree on at least and I think you would be surprised at how much we have in common once you learn the truth about things.
(DIR) Post #AUvW6ZgRuUVm0VG00G by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:24:06.045776Z
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What did they say to my post? I can't see it either. Can any of you see it?
(DIR) Post #AUvWBiWYT98osC56My by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:24:59.206106Z
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I can see it but I don’t see them responding to you?
(DIR) Post #AUvWdgdF66nr74XvX6 by GabeLakmann@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-23T00:30:05.088442Z
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It looks like they replied to my post so I'm assuming they were responding to me or adding to it somehow.
(DIR) Post #AUvWfovvCkB1REIhyS by Owl@seal.cafe
2023-04-23T00:30:28.274043Z
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That’s so weird.
(DIR) Post #AUvlRjyCMMq7Ir6s2C by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-23T03:15:56Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @stormy178 Taking guns of people won't change suicide anyway. Those people will simply change method.See my earlier reply.
(DIR) Post #AUvmJrCjg6wzNUiLz6 by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-23T03:25:11Z
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@freemo @eberhofer haha.. no bigger than a fox. Dude, I use a 7615 on feral pigs for work. I see what you are doing there.
(DIR) Post #AUvnuOIIEGFyNnIYHw by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-23T03:43:32Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist @MelodyCooper @stormy178 My guns are for killing. I do a lot of shooting practice and dry fire training but the primary reason I have them is for killing.
(DIR) Post #AUvsuy9ZP8rDMxJU5w by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-23T04:39:13Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven Criminals get the ledgers and target the owners. It's a real thing in Australia. The gun regisration data base is busted too. That has been linked to robberies where owners and dealers have been targeted.A popular right wing news paper published a map showing regions of highest concentration of legal guns per person which were farm communities. Those communities were targeted by thieves and still are. This may or may not happen in your country.
(DIR) Post #AUvtgCRu4THxJiPTBA by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-23T04:48:12Z
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere Being shot doesn't hurt.. well not straight away. Getting stabbed I don't know but I have nightmares about it.
(DIR) Post #AUw32ZrEcP1JsM0Hr6 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-22T20:39:36.930484Z
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@pies @freemo @MelodyCooper Switzerland has a very lower murder rate when compared to the UK for example, despite the UK going much further with general weapons bans that include kitchen knives. Maybe this is more complicated than you want it to be.
(DIR) Post #AUw32aVIDT3xsakHIG by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T22:34:30Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo I know Switzerland is a favourite example, the second one being Canada, but maybe actually read up on Switzerland before you do it. Certainly not a "get an AR at the grocery store" kind of country.
(DIR) Post #AUw32b1uGD9PVk0K80 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-22T23:09:56.907454Z
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@freemo @pies @MelodyCooper huh, if only I used a point of comparison to make my example actually communicate something specific. I just compared a relatively lax country to a tightly buttoned down one. Try addressing the point, please.
(DIR) Post #AUw32bu90YXIDxNdfU by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T23:29:49Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo What you gave is the only example you can think of. There are no other countries like that. There are a few where hunting is popular and that makes of a significant number of guns that don't generally cause the murder rate to skyrocket. The rest has restrictive gun laws and high murder rates or a lot of guns and murders. Why did you choose Switzerland in particular? Is it its similarity to the US? Do you think US should be required to have a purchase licence for any modern firearm!? Should there be a puchase licence requirement for ammo? What are you trying to say, exactly?
(DIR) Post #AUw32cZcWLiGIamlJg by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T23:39:33Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo ok, too many typos and no edit functionality on my app or server :) But I think you get my point. I give a list of twenty countries where restrictive gun laws work. You only look at the one where there relatively lax - still much stricter than in the US, mind you. You're not looking for evidence.
(DIR) Post #AUw32dG9yBjyQWgjce by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T06:32:59Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper You approach to analysis (correlation) is already invalid. So everything that comes from that is likewise invalid
(DIR) Post #AUw3AyAi6RZdbL7BPE by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-22T23:44:12.275105Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @pies The UK was the point of comparison you’re ignoring. Clearly banning weapons hasn’t done them as much good as they wanted it to.
(DIR) Post #AUw3AyjS1HMZL5MvYW by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-22T23:46:24Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo UK has much lower murder rate than the US. That's what you're ignoring.
(DIR) Post #AUw3AzHTykaL2dI6bI by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T06:34:22Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper No the murder rate of the uk is irrelevant, we dont argue correlation if your doing honest anaysis. We woukdnuse granger causality which woukd show the murder rate skyrocketed in the uk in the decade followi g their gun ban.
(DIR) Post #AUw3CuXYZl9Ouwj7g0 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-22T23:54:59.532312Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @pies I bet residual lead levels in the water gives a stronger correlation with murder rate than the gun regulations.
(DIR) Post #AUw3Cv8QMgdolHyZ8q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T06:34:56Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @pies Again you dont use corelation if your doing honest science on this or any topic like it...
(DIR) Post #AUw3S6M6vdiNuEcHcO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T06:37:39Z
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@snack @eberhofer At close enough tange you can kill anything witb an ar 15 and pigs probably still fall under small game anyway
(DIR) Post #AUwDgzEKhbIbgyiNwu by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T08:32:27Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper None of us here are doing any science. And lack of control over sales and ownership of firearms is certainly not the only problem that contributes an abnormally high murder rate in the US.But your insistence that the fact that anyone can buy an automatic weapon in your country has no bearing on murder rate being extremely high indicates to me that you don't really want to learn. You just want to preach.And that's fine.
(DIR) Post #AUwERy5skEOPmKAGhc by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T08:38:16.042515Z
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@pies @freemo @MelodyCooper You clearly aren’t familiar with gun laws in the US if you think anyone can get full auto here. What a shock, another anti gun person who doesn’t even know what they’re arguing against.
(DIR) Post #AUwERyiARt19h44qNU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T08:40:54Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @pies Obviously what zack said. The sale of new auto weapons have been illegal in the usa for a very long time. You can only get access to very old antique autoweapons and there are very few of them at all.It does discredit you when you say stuff like that.
(DIR) Post #AUwFdQybne4mUonHG4 by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T08:53:31Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Yes, it must be impossible. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16412910/automatic-guns-las-vegas-shooting
(DIR) Post #AUwHLBPD9Yoetpf5vM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T09:13:17Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper No one said impossible. You can buy automatic weapons. But again only very rare antique weapons and at an enourmous price. It is also so rare that you cant find a single modern shooting with an automatic.
(DIR) Post #AUwb72iEfwgcy25xwG by meowski@fluf.club
2023-04-23T12:54:52.656482Z
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@MelodyCooper home owner said he was trying to break in
(DIR) Post #AUwqLDD5wNcstMkB9M by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-23T15:45:24Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @pies I have no problem with leople being abke to own weapons from before the ban, tbat soubds fair.
(DIR) Post #AUxrWRc11rTZrAHQWW by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-24T03:32:50Z
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@freemo @eberhofer They are way bigger than a fox. Over 100kg not uncommon around here.
(DIR) Post #AUxtOxbmNrf4gNjF68 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T03:54:27Z
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@snack @eberhofer About 2:3 taller with red fox at 50cm and pig about 75cm...
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ2OMY5Cw4p12Bc by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T08:59:11.504529Z
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@MelodyCooper @pies @freemo I could easily point to the shooting in France at that eagles of death metal concert, where lots of weapons got through in a stricter setting than the US. There will always be ways around the issue including home made weapons which are getting more robust every year that completely dodge the question of regulation to begin with.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ32Q99Fa53l1cm by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T09:02:18Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo And yet, US has hundreds of mass shootings a year, and France decidedly does not, go figure.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ3WYL7LxaVr5ai by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T09:55:26.824191Z
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@freemo @pies @MelodyCooper If we’re shifting goalposts now to mass shootings, the US doesn’t have the worst per capita death rate related to that. Also, most of those mass shootings in that statistic are gang related, which also confounds your clearly well formed opinion even if you wanted to say that study was outdated. You clearly just want to preach, which is fine I guess.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ4JpNuli3KuROa by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T13:00:46Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo I'm not, @freemo had mentioned it.Anyway, what about tha murder rate? Is it the lack of old architecture? Maybe it's the freedom? I'm sure there must be reasons other than very easy and uncontrolled access to something that's specifically designed to kill people.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ4tzDTgxrTpJku by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T15:29:29.728960Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @pies The point was that there will always be a way to get past regulations. That it can happen in tightly regulated places too, so picking out one of the rare instances where a shooter could actually afford a full auto is disingenuous at best. Not to mention you ignored the most common form of mass shooting: gang conflicts - often perpetrated with guns that weren’t legally acquired in the first place. And it’s all meaningless anyways since everyone is at most a $2500 mini-cnc machine away from having basically any gun they want these days. Bullets might be the harder part of that equation actually, but they’re also pretty easy to make, I’m pretty sure I know someone who’s made both.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ5f8OBPEDhsyFE by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T15:57:36Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo And you go on and on about things that aren't US-specific. What is different about the US that causes you guys to murder each other much more frequently than in, say, Spain or UK?
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ5yzCNHlDHApBg by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T13:03:17Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Sorry, it was you. And I assumed the shooting on France you've mentioned was a mass shooting?
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ6AgUsdvnYeAQC by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T16:42:18.181389Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @pies Our gang violence is pretty substantial here, probably more so than most developed countries. Just because you want to ignore this doesn’t make it untrue. Please stop changing topics.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ6nKBDYFjOj1eK by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T16:50:26Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo CDC estimates that gang violence was responsible for 10% of overall homicides in 2020. So I think you need another excuse.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ7FKV5x98FpOIi by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T17:06:38.307515Z
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@freemo @pies @MelodyCooper I think you need to consider that even if you took away all gun violence the murder rate in the US would still be high, many times higher than most developed countries - guns are clearly very far from the main problem here. I’m trying really hard to be good faith and polite here, but I haven’t seen any sign of that from you whatsoever. I could point to any number of stats, but because any single one of them doesn’t account for the entire discrepancy it won’t matter to you, you’ll just jump to an entirely different subject or ignore it.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ7nMSZAupnkZLU by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T17:27:01Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Where are those stats then? You claim the reasons are different, and you keep moving the goalpost on that (so it's not gang violence after all?)I'm curious to know what particular piece of data makes you so sure it's not the easy access to guns that's causing all those extra murders to happen.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ8PIBXW4jRUrT6 by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T17:35:00Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo And no, I'm not skipping around, or moving the goalpost. I'm talking about the reasons for US having so many more murders than any other rich country.I do appreciate that US has many structural problems that may cause people to turn to violence, from prolific lack of access to basic necessities of life like health care and housing, to an incredibly harmful mass incarceration system you've built, to a lack of support for getting out of poverty that plagues vast swaths of US. I get that. And that's quite unusual for a rich country and I'm sure contributes to the problem. And if you had like 50% or even 100% more murders, I could buy that argument. But the disparity is much, much larger.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ8uqIEkmJIG3e4 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-23T17:56:31.255045Z
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@freemo @pies @MelodyCooper Again, even without guns it’s over that line.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZ9SsFhyY0qBEgq by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-23T18:19:27Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo And what is the source for this assertion?
(DIR) Post #AUyiZA3O3xBNq5GObQ by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-24T10:30:39.318064Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @pies Did you seriously think the entire difference was just in guns?
(DIR) Post #AUyiZAeFqsfngQVq4G by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T13:24:58Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo I still don't see any data or links.
(DIR) Post #AUyiZBBvpfbzMsGjYm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T13:26:59Z
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@piesI havent seen any valid data on the topic from either of you.... @zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUyibtzMFSyEsogZvM by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T13:28:20Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Which one are you questioning? Murder rates, number of gang-related homicides, Swiss gun laws?
(DIR) Post #AUyjRU4Drx3dXzYcV6 by Senator_Armstrong@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-24T13:37:26.342932Z
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@pies @freemo @zack @MelodyCooper that's just because of the blacks
(DIR) Post #AUyjUYtsM9GnPDBYOG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T13:38:10Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper I didnt say i was questioning anything... but you two are both disagreeing with eachother and neither of you have provided any sort of high quality data to make either case.So im just pointing out its kinda odd for you to complain he isnt providing data when you really havent done that yourself either.
(DIR) Post #AUylWjenX8UzFrITUe by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T14:00:59Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper So my data is unspecifically invalid, gotcha.
(DIR) Post #AUylcRib8rsZM9nVZ2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T14:01:58Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper No it is specifically.invalid and commented multiple times in the thread why every time you attempted to share invalid data
(DIR) Post #AUym3jmK6SDRBgYNHM by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T14:06:56Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Yeah, this kind of goes as expected :) Gun nuts ask for data, then they don't like the data, they have no data, and they keep believing. Well, I hope more people come to their senses, their democratic voice gets heard, and you fix your glaring problem so that gun nuts around here don't point to US and claim you're doing great despite the guns.
(DIR) Post #AUyr2vYfJvllCdb9SC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T15:02:50Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper Sorry but you dont win science debates by seeing who can post the most intellectually dishonest links to data... not how honest scientific inquery works. The fact you think it does shows you are probably the only "nut" here. The fact you felt the need to make personally attacks to everyone who disagrees with you really proves it though
(DIR) Post #AUzACA3EheoBt60vSK by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T18:36:38Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Sure, that's the reason you haven't provided any data. That's the reason our conversation led nowhere. Well, good luck with your safety guns.
(DIR) Post #AUzF6YiYa3H0QGUOx6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T19:32:20Z
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@pies What assertion have I made havent provided data for? I have posted the data for pretty much all my assertions in the past, at least if/when someone brought it up.@zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUzGCxjaa91jhaabrM by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T19:44:47Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper You have not provided data for any of those assertions:
(DIR) Post #AUzH1B3PKlZPUWntRY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-24T19:53:49Z
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@pies I sure have, probably 50 times over the years, and several times this month alone (as its been a significant topic)... I've addressed both why the data and science we have is lacking (on either side of the discussion).. why its bad approach to analysis and Data for whats out there, and likewise provided data nad charts from the data we have access to...So yes I've shared the data to that, quite often and recently.. I guess what you meant to say is you never saw or asked me for data and now are upset because I called **you** out for not having data so now your diverting the spotlight and trying to make it sound like I refuse to provide data when I actually did? Umm ok, not a good look, but ok. But yea if you want to download the data with me and do the analysis I'll be happy to go through it with you step by step. Its on my timeline but we can process the data together if you'd like as well.@zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AUzNznwmSV1hDSzqa0 by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-24T21:12:01Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Still the same :D No, I'm not changing the subject, I'm literally answering your question. And sure, let's say I also provided my data and sources elsewhere, so we can be done.
(DIR) Post #AUzpNxMfnFF68Xqfey by snack@ieji.de
2023-04-25T02:18:55Z
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@freemo @eberhofer Dude do you even hunt?
(DIR) Post #AUzykotULumo75AtAO by GrantTK@poa.st
2023-04-25T04:03:57.572004Z
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@MelodyCooper If we simply disarmed niggers then America's homicide rates would be on par with most other majority White civilized nations. #HateFacte
(DIR) Post #AV08SGqJDNJApmTtMO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-25T05:52:33Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper Lol no my dats was actually provided and you only asked for it once **you** were called out for not providing any.. sorry buddy but doesnt work that way. Youve provided no data, you dont get to act superior by imagining you did and then calling out others who actually did provide data and pretending they didnt.
(DIR) Post #AV0ziuCtvCyH7mrjIu by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-25T15:49:29Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Whatever I could provide you'll just say that I'm wrong and you don't have to provide any proof because you did before. What would be the point?
(DIR) Post #AV34zoos5stBQQQipc by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-25T16:10:00Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper But sure, here you go, a list of studies linking number of guns to homicide rates. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/Let me guess, it doesn't prove causation, because it's a study.
(DIR) Post #AV34zrhBOvWOLRr7lQ by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-25T17:07:26.443664Z
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@freemo @pies @MelodyCooper More like it isn’t conclusive science because there is no experiment to be done. But you could find a general direction with this kind of observational data, just be careful you might not like what other conclusions you could get with this kind of analysis.
(DIR) Post #AV34zsErNiSa1tc1Fw by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-26T08:04:00Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo The other conclusion being that people started buying guns after all the knife shootings?
(DIR) Post #AV34zstGxSmo3EWIFM by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-26T08:28:46.202525Z
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@MelodyCooper @freemo @pies Another conclusion, would be that maybe there’s more than one factor in this discussion. I know this might be a little sophisticated for a person like you, but there are a lot of differences between the US and Europe that extends past guns. Give that you weren’t aware that new SMGs aren’t legal to purchase in the US, you might also not be aware that different states have differing laws and general circumstances. For example, the Deep South has high rates of poverty - you can see large chunks of those states might not even have access to power. Is their rate of violent crime and murder due to guns or poverty? Yes, the United States are not totally uniform - which is important.
(DIR) Post #AV34ztmZdr1QokOSRc by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-26T15:54:57Z
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@zack @freemo @pies Just (reluctantly) jumping in here to say that the level of gun violence in the United States does have multiple factors affecting it, poverty being one. Hatred and irrational fears being another. The point is, when you have any of those factors in play and you add guns, it’s like adding a match to a powder keg. (The match being the gun). Why would you do that?
(DIR) Post #AV34zuZqgeRBHZRoFU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T15:57:56Z
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@MelodyCooper @zack @pies I think everyone is in agreement that the violence in the usa is a multitude of factors of which any influence guns have is at best a small fraction. Of course i disagree that addi g guns is like adding a match, mutch the opposite its like untying peoples hands so they can act.
(DIR) Post #AV380bnYIA3rBzsh7Y by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-26T16:31:44Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack No, I think guns play a major role in murder rate. They're not the only factor, obviously, but they're the big one.
(DIR) Post #AV38cVkdDu3PRSaXpY by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-26T16:38:37Z
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@freemo @zack @pies Actually, I am not in agreement that guns are a small fraction. The fact that other countries with worse poverty and just as much hatred have exponentially less gun violence is because they have fewer guns. It’s not to say violence would go away if we had no guns. But the level of violence WOULD diminish. Just like if you gave someone a rock to attack children in a classroom, they’d do less damage compared to someone with an AR15.
(DIR) Post #AV38eEm5JRnHMx5iS0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T16:38:54Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack Then on that we agree, as I feel the evidence shows it strongly decreases the murder rate when having it present in a society with high murder rates. Though I suspect you think the opposite is true,
(DIR) Post #AV38mLkNH0IdJJ9x7Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T16:40:22Z
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@MelodyCooper You just changed what we were talking about.. your talking about "gun violence".. not the murder rate... Of **course** banning guns will make **gun** violence go down. We are talking about **all** violence, including acts of knife or other forms of violence that would have been deterred by a gun.@zack @pies
(DIR) Post #AV38uSGIw07VphxXaC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T16:41:46Z
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@MelodyCooper @zack @pies The old "Gun violence is lower in countries where guns are banned" (ignoring guns effect on non-gun violence) is basically the anti-vaxxer tactic of "If you make vaccines illegal we will see less vaccine deaths".. well yea, sure, of course you will, but you will also see non-vaccine related deaths skyrocket...
(DIR) Post #AV3KAIAxIlk2gEDC4W by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-26T18:47:56Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I'm not talking about gun violence but murder rate.
(DIR) Post #AV3KGx7hyLXdPkrvqi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T18:49:06Z
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@pies That reply was to melody not you.@MelodyCooper @zack
(DIR) Post #AV3L3oMJLa08QBzrdo by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-26T18:57:58Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I see no evidence that a lot of guns that people in US have lowers the murder rate there. Quite the opposite. You have a lot of guns and a lot of murders.
(DIR) Post #AV3ME27b8GytxJYLPU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-26T19:11:00Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack Yes as i explained to you earlier why you were looking at the dats erroneously in the regard and how to correct it. Your incorrect approach of conflating correlation with causation from the start will usually lead to bad conclusions as it just did for you.Woukd be happy to explore some valid analysis with you as I offered many times already. I suspect you arent arguing in good faith though.
(DIR) Post #AV3Pya8VIad4dKreXg by MelodyCooper@mastodon.world
2023-04-26T19:51:00Z
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@freemo @pies @zack What?? Most domestic violence murders are committed with guns. How do more guns prevent that? Or stop corrupt police who shoot totally unarmed people? Are you saying if we OK Corral it and wives had guns and ALL citizens could shoot back at bad cops it would be a safer, better world? I mean, just following your More Guns are Better in a Gun Killing Environment logic. Where and when would the shooting end?
(DIR) Post #AV3cOKY94PuDGvu0GG by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-26T22:12:09Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack I really don't understand how someone can say with a straight face that guns lower murder rate while living in a country that has an enormous murder rate and loads of guns. Arguing that guns don't boost murder rate is very counterintuitive to me and not in line with the stuff I've read, but it's somewhat plausible. But if guns lower murder rate how many more guns do you need to get your murder rate to a normal level? You guys have more guns than people.
(DIR) Post #AV4FVLu0KuK9hrSwme by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-26T22:55:32.606540Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @pies Why keep talking when you’re clearly never going to change your mind. You clearly don’t know much, but have a strong opinion anyways. You can go run along with your rape whistle and hope the cops get there in time.
(DIR) Post #AV4FVMT6EQOfShsyUC by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-27T04:53:32Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo Do I even have to say it? US ranks nr 14 in the world in reported rape, and the only rich country that's above it is Sweden. Guns don't stop sexual assault from happening. Guns do not make a country safer at all.
(DIR) Post #AV4FVN04Fqlh6xJIsC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-27T05:30:23Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper How many times do people need to tell you correlation isnt causation before yiu get it?
(DIR) Post #AV4FlQW2x0YmeGvOMK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-27T05:33:19Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack Because correlation isnt causation. When you analyze the data using causation tests llike granger the pattern becomes clear, which is the correct way to analyze the data.No simply injecting guns till you reach p doesnt worth, the relationship is clearly going to be nonlinear.
(DIR) Post #AV4GG0iguTFDcXQGIa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-27T05:38:51Z
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@MelodyCooper @pies @zack More guns dont stop all forms of violence.. the presence of guns are preventing coubtless rapes and violent acts many before they even start as a deterrant.So yes while you eliminate guns all your doing is eliminating some home murders with guns, replacing it with murders by other means and then adding countless new rapes and murders on top.It shouldnt be hard to see how a murder witb a gun simply gets replaces with a murder with a knife, 2 rapings, and a strangle.
(DIR) Post #AV78IZgpe9ugUx91Bg by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-28T14:53:50Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack But causality does require correlation, doesn't it? And US demonstrably has a lot of guns and does not have a low murder rate. There is no reason to think a lot of guns lowers murder rates. There is a reason to think the opposite.
(DIR) Post #AVAbFXljoQCVoiE48m by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-28T15:25:34.701724Z
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Just because you say something lots of times doesn’t make it reflective of reality. You’d make for a really shitty scientist. Why do Oregon and Utah have fewer murders per capita than California then? Both have more guns and fewer regulations on those guns - granted Oregon does have a measure that passed but hasn’t been implemented yet. Must be the guns dropping the murder rate, right? This is basically the same logic you’ve been using the entire time. Crime rate in general - including murder - in the US dropped around the time concealed carry started being allowed in more states. Maybe you don’t understand how data works, but your 2 variable bullshit won’t cut it.
(DIR) Post #AVAbFYQrLX5tsFSuEi by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-28T21:49:12Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo I guess Americans are just more hateful. Thank you for making that clear :)
(DIR) Post #AVAbFYyBLdkVXb3WAy by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-29T22:06:03.459573Z
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@pies @freemo @MelodyCooper that’s a funny way to admit that you were talking out of your ass.
(DIR) Post #AVAbFZgqfZThm7xBnU by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T05:30:40Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @freemo So that's also not something you're saying? Feels like you guys just don't want to talk about why Americans murder each other so much. So it's not because you want to and not because you can. What is the reason for your murder rate again?
(DIR) Post #AVAbFaSLoxTY9SB7q4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T07:02:17Z
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@pies anyone who spent any real time and is honest with themselves in America knows exactly why the american murder rate is so high... when you are there it feels like visiting an insane asylum, the mental health issues are huge there and pervasive.@zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AVAcYm9ceVbpt88FXc by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T07:17:04Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper If only those crazy people didn't have guns.Of course it's also a very unspecific claim with no sources or even numbers, and I couldn't confirm it. But I'm sure you've proven it before.
(DIR) Post #AVAcxBaBlGrFhfCKVU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T07:21:23Z
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@pies No it would be a hard thing to prove.. But you dont have to go around life only beleiving in things that have clear proof. In fact most things in life you have to make a judgement call without being able to "prove" it..As for them not having guns, nah, as we have seeen countless times that makes things much much worse.@zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AVAdCXg7tNGkZlIVvs by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T07:23:31Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Ok, I don't buy it. US has an average number of people with mental illness. It's the guns.
(DIR) Post #AVAdTg02CwDRJ2mPPE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T07:27:18Z
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@pies LOL the actual science (granger causality tests and similar good-analysis approaches) would disagree with you.@zack @MelodyCooper
(DIR) Post #AVB9cUk8coidXCaprU by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T13:27:30Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper Again, I can provide sources. Neither of you two does. https://ourworldindata.org/mental-health
(DIR) Post #AVBCqDrkTFZJ6iOGPo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:03:33Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper The source you just provided shows the usa as very high in mental illness relative to the rest of the world.. but it also isnt data that is normalizng for lack of access to mental health, so despite being in the red the actual data is undoubtly even worse.So yes you provided data and it supported us and not you, go figure...
(DIR) Post #AVBDEuDceiAHPcOKvY by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:07:18Z
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@freemo @zack @MelodyCooper I'm comparing US to other rich countries, and you can probably see that the prevalence of mental illness is similar. Certainly not many times higher, as is the murder rate. Lack of healthcare access is certainly a factor, but I don't think it tells the whole story because, again, I don't think the difference is large enough.
(DIR) Post #AVBDNZcKcY0Q7l59Um by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:09:34Z
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@pies @zack @MelodyCooper Do you understand why the prevelance of only thr **diagnosed** mental illness in a country with horrible mental health access is nonsense?And yes compared to other rich coubtries the usa is clearly already farther into the red than the mean. So even if you ignore the glaring issue you are still in the wrong
(DIR) Post #AVBDQXzP85n7wbIB0K by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-04-30T14:07:19.764340Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @pies Genuinely feels like arguing with an antivaxxer.
(DIR) Post #AVBDQYnO8Fm2Rcg5ui by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:10:05Z
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@zack @MelodyCooper @pies He really does keep usi g classic antivax tactics.. frustrati g
(DIR) Post #AVBEFb5tLWZILFfY1o by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:19:22Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack Is your claim that US has a significantly lower sexual assault rate as somepared to other rich countries?
(DIR) Post #AVBGQL9d9LMM01fUgK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T14:43:39Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack No i didnt say that
(DIR) Post #AVBMJoTGLte2ca7cdk by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T15:49:47Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack So guns don't prevent sexual assault?
(DIR) Post #AVBO4epw5dKCJ0d0q0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T16:09:23Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack Thry do.. do i need to tell you a 10th time why correlation is not causation?
(DIR) Post #AVBSXgfsjexeDi1VnE by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T16:59:29Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack Guns have no effect on sexual assault?
(DIR) Post #AVBSvKGjgruzgFX888 by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T17:01:13Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack It feels like you think US has the worst people in the world, and it's only the guns that make it just about bearable, except for some very worrying metrics.
(DIR) Post #AVBSvKwZBLNXlz6XKa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T17:03:05Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack Guns absolutely have a causative effect on sexual assault. But since correlation does not suggest causation you wont see this effect bire out in correlation without employing causality tests
(DIR) Post #AVBSx9idsyNpXWSVoe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T17:04:04Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack I woukd t quite say the usa is the worst people.. but damn close to it, they are psychotic and unbearable. Thankfully its easy for me to avoid the usa most of the tine
(DIR) Post #AVBTC8up9h7hOKIrHU by pies@qoto.org
2023-04-30T17:06:50Z
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @zack People are the same everywhere. But I'm sure you'll say I'm wrong, so I'll stop here. This went exactly as well as expected.
(DIR) Post #AVBTODNOOcQKhXQEeu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-30T17:08:58Z
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@pies @MelodyCooper @zack People are fundementally the same when born sure.. but when the usa is a festering mentsl health catastrophe and you are born into it and exposed to an unhealthy environment all your life it makes a huge difference. That environment perpetuates itself and creates horrible people with mental health issues of their own