Post AUsyK6PDmAJsV3YeXY by shelenn@nerdica.net
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(DIR) Post #AUsjYIG70LLo0GbdIm by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:17:30Z
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A thread why I think #BlueskySocial has potential.— Decentralized Like #Mastodon, #Bluesky intents to be decentralized. This means that not Bluesky as a company will be part of it, but others can also join in.The exciting part is that this is happening on multiple levels: where your data is stored, and how your feed is composed for your timeline.Note: Right now the devs are working hard on making this happen, while currently everyone invited is on the same server.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYN9umoMfCUkFpw by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:22:56Z
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— ModerationWhile #Mastodon has many instances, each one is moderated separately. That means once you have many users, you need people to moderate else you might get defederated.#BlueskySocial has a different approach. Self labeling, automatic labeling using machine learning, and community labeling (in dev) of posts.The #Bluesky app has multiple options of filtering for the AppViewer layer that builds your feed. Note that your posts are always yours. They are never deleted, only filtered.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYPlD77NzGkD4FM by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:26:35Z
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This leads us to the next topic. What if you don’t like your #BlueskySocial AppViewer? Switch! While you can move from #Mastodon to another instance. It can be tricky and you could lose content if an instance is being a jerk. — Portable profile dataThe AppViewer for your feed and your profile data with posts is separated on purpose. Consider it a Git repo with a local and remote copy. You can also move to another repo, if you want to, or if your remote repo disappeared.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYThST0lFUGU7xA by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:30:08Z
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By design #Mastodon makes it very hard to discover, basically it’s hashtags.— Algorithms (discoverability I)#BlueskySocial intends a marketplace for algorithms. This allows third parties to deliver as well as users to decide which fits best. Hard to guess exactly what it will mean, but I imagine generic or specific algorithms, eg. about gaming, dev or art. Imagine getting those hot posts, while not necessarily following people, so you’ll discover something new on #Bluesky every day.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYVbVO7BhONiOx6 by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:33:22Z
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Most #Mastodon instances don’t enable full text search. And if they do, it won’t work for the others. — Search (discoverability II)#BlueskySocial has a specific search index that will do a full text index on profiles and posts, much like on #Twitter these days. While hashtags support might come, full text index search will make it easier to find fellow comics or manga lovers. Whether by message or their profile on #Bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYZOXIHBr9Jg6IC by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:36:05Z
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— Followers (discoverability III)In addition #BlueskySocial will allow you to easily browse other user profiles, who they follow and follow those as well. Currently search in #Bluesky also suggest users that have common followers.Unlike #Mastodon where (without some tricks) it’s hard to see any followers beyond your instance. And following them leads you through all kinds of (web) loops.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYbHsG1391EZoBc by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:43:36Z
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— Monetization#Mastodon are not free, you may use them, but they are either running on donations, commercial, self hosted, etc. There are no ads (afaik).#BlueSkySocial is still thinking about this. It might be ads delivered through the AppViewer. Certain parts simply require money to keep running and also to continue development. Maybe the algorithm and moderation marketplaces can deliver some money as well. As any company #Bluesky needs to look into a healthy way of running it.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYeXw8kgH7v7B8i by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:49:04Z
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Before anyone starts being anti-capitalism, your writing your reply on, you’re most likely living in a capitalistic world. That’s another topic, but everything in moderation. — Jack DorseyEx-CEO and founder of #Twitter is indeed a board member of #BlueskySocial. He is also investing in #Nostr. While he advices #Bluesky, it is run by CEO Jay Graber. She insisted on spinning of Bluesky as a company from Twitter a few years back. This is also when they got their initial funding.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYgLxQGHqjLWdkG by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:52:14Z
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— Jay Graber, CEOFrom what I’ve seen Jay is running #BlueskySocial as a company admirable. She has shared a few times some of her decision making, in ousting why it’s still currently in closed beta testing. It’s refreshing to see an open, but also decisive person like her. And of courses surrounded by a small, but fast moving forward team at #Bluesky that is expanding.I want to remind everyone that #Mastodon also is supported by a company run by the CEO / lead developer.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYl9jZ8TpcsqRt2 by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:55:41Z
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— Protocol and APIsEven if #BlueskySocial is still in closed beta for users, the API is already open for usage. And AT is open-sourced. So for developers it’s possible to get started creating new tools or improve the protocol. I believe the previous posts on discoverability, portable user data, support do algorithms are valid reasons to create a new protocol by #Bluesky. It doesn’t invalidate #ActivityPub used by #Mastodon. But it might indicate a concern on its slow development.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYmzWk3VJJo5KFs by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T15:58:28Z
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— DisclaimerI tried to write down as much as possible close to what I think #BlueskySocial is and how it relates to #Mastodon. I’m not a journalist nor related #Bluesky. As some wrote, this is not a cheap attempt in just promoting a competitive #Twitter alternative. I’m just honestly excited and curious of Bluesky’s development as it addresses my main concerns with Mastodon. Right now there is no really big player and anyone can still take a major part away from Twitter, if executed well.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYs0Q6ABms1XbqC by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T16:01:00Z
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I hope we’ll see more third party apps of devs that worked on their #Mastodon clients also consider #BlueskySocial as a potential place to earn fame and money. Who knows in the future we’ll might see some more collaboration between the various decentralized protocols from #Bluesky, #Nostr, #Farcaster and #ActivityPub. It really is hard to predict the future and the relevance of each while all the players are relatively small.Right now they also seem to cater to specific groups of people.
(DIR) Post #AUsjYttP5DlUiqH2BM by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T16:04:22Z
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For now I just ask everyone to be excited of the many opportunities, learnings and developments were in. A few years ago it all felt stale in the social media platforms world, look at us now. Don’t dismiss, just be curious, of course you can always share your insights in good fashion. 👍#Mastodon #BlueskySocial #Bluesky #Twitter
(DIR) Post #AUsjl3juIaBMjjd63s by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-21T16:12:43Z
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@alastor8472 I'm skeptical that I can own my data in Bluesky. Can I install it to my own server? Will it be fully open? It most likely will not be compatible with ActivityPub/Fediverse in any way, they have stated this many times and if I'm not going to own my data including the code 100%, I will not use it. For FLOSS people this is a big no no.
(DIR) Post #AUskph02N8eXc1woEK by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T16:24:43Z
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@rolle if I understood correctly you will have your own data both locally and remote. A private/public key system to ensure only you have control and can restore it on another data repository. I anticipate it won’t be compatible. Maybe it can work somewhat like the #Nostr bridge for #Fediverse, but haven’t looked at it.We’ll need to wait and see how everything beyond the AT protocol develops and if the front/backends will be released as open-source. #BlueskySocial #Bluesky #Mastodon
(DIR) Post #AUsy5almbLbQKPBxku by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-21T18:53:14Z
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@alastor8472 What it means to own your data "remote"? You don't own your data if it's not on you locally.
(DIR) Post #AUsyK6PDmAJsV3YeXY by shelenn@nerdica.net
2023-04-21T16:20:25Z
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@alastor8472 What the company Bluesky needs to do is use Activity Pub and stop trying to reinvent the wheel for profit.
(DIR) Post #AUsyK7GOaSr19yR7QG by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T16:29:05Z
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@shelenn I think the core problem is #AcitivityPub has core issues that #Bluesky is addressing with their AT protocol. (similar to #Nostr and #Farcaster)It’s not just for profit, they actually have had ActivityPub expertise when deciding on this route. This is the way it has always been in IT. When an existing solution isn’t a silver bullet, new potential solutions arise, fail, merge, etc. It’s evolution.
(DIR) Post #AUsyK7yLx213MJ0DwG by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-21T18:55:56Z
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@alastor8472 @shelenn They have stated many times they will not invest in ActivityPub, probably not ever. https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/issues/255#issuecomment-1287953987
(DIR) Post #AUsyROemJlKn8CJSXg by volkris@qoto.org
2023-04-21T17:40:09Z
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@alastor8472Yes! I beat the drum that #Fediverse is not so much decentralized as it’s centralized around instances.It’s federated, not decentralized.From my understanding of #Bluesky it actually is more decentralized, giving power to users instead of instances.I’m always critical of the engineering decisions #ActivityPub made, pretty much because it’s not what Bluesky seems to have settled on.In short, and this is uncertain until we learn more about it, Bluesky might be what Fediverse should have been, IMO.
(DIR) Post #AUsyTNkMfht4t8s9pI by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T18:42:08Z
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@volkris yeah #Bluesky removes the high dependency #Mastodon has on instances, and their admins and moderators. Mastodon feels pretty much like a #Reddit or Internet forum to be honest. The divide they made at Bluesky, to give ownership of your data back to you is conceptually just better. Others can filter out, but not control you. So there can’t be an instance dispute about moderation, or instances being nuked along with your online presence.
(DIR) Post #AUsyTOVVqPbLFMvoJc by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-21T18:57:18Z
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@alastor8472 @volkris > Mastodon feels pretty much like a #Reddit or Internet forum to be honest. I disagree completely. Reddit is not a real time social media but more like a bulletin board.
(DIR) Post #AUsycF6KBaewgEMwm8 by FartsMusically@universeodon.com
2023-04-21T18:58:59Z
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@rolle @alastor8472 @volkris reddit, this is not, imo.People have less incentive to speak amongst eachother and more incentive to just proclaim stuff into the void.
(DIR) Post #AUsyuWgJYpemPwvBfk by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T19:02:30Z
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@rolle[…]Content-addressed data means content is referenced by its cryptographic hash — the unique digital “fingerprint” of a piece of data. Using public keys and content-addresses, we can sign content by the user's key to prove they created it. Authenticated data enables trust to reside in the data itself, not in where you found it, allowing apps to move away from client-server architectures. This creates “user-generated authority”.https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/3-6-2022-a-self-authenticating-social-protocol
(DIR) Post #AUszO075DHdm62UrY0 by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T19:07:48Z
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@rolle @shelennI don’t think they need to invest in AcitivtyPub. Dramatically changing an existing standard is hard. Sometimes standards have a completely breaking 2.0. They are free to create a new protocol, that addresses concerns they believe are not possible with the current standard. My insight would be that in times like this multiple protocols arrive, addressing simile and other concerns, in different ways. And potentially later see converging protocols.What is ActivityPub doing?
(DIR) Post #AUszUd9Qz4jKuLl2m0 by alastor8472@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T19:09:04Z
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@rolle @volkris I was context wise referring to how moderation works on Reddit and forums, and Mastodon instances.Controlled by each Reddit or subreddit, their group of moderators versus each Mastodon instance.
(DIR) Post #AUtDJOiVi0AUJVhbiC by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-21T21:43:57Z
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@alastor8472 I see nothing wrong with ActivityPub. @shelenn