Post AUoghtK1Utb541TraC by FuckElon@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AUoX0hv777hvf8AAT2 by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T15:01:39Z
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Serious Trouble episode (with a re-recorded section after settlement) about Dominion dropping today. We didn’t talk about: * No trial result would have had the judge ordering Fox to apologize on air *No trial result would have resulted in Fox being punished for damage to democracy *. No trial result could have ”established facts” as true or false for all purposes in AmericaIf your expectations for the legal system are not reality-based you’re going to be consistently disappointed.
(DIR) Post #AUodU9IkzOEChtdzHM by kthornton@home.social
2023-04-19T15:51:10Z
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@Popehat so stop your bitching, roll over and let the plutocrats kill your grandma….
(DIR) Post #AUodU9qmwrRyPRZAK8 by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T15:58:48Z
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@kthornton No. “We should have a system that can deliver more” is a rational criticism. “Dominion should not have settled, instead it should have insisted on [things the current law can’t deliver]” is silly and irrational.
(DIR) Post #AUodUAML3YgfzIKMV6 by kthornton@home.social
2023-04-19T16:04:26Z
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@Popehat how did you read that comment as my not saying the same thing? we can have no faith in piecemeal “civil” (which translates to friendly and respectful,) corporate justice, and must demand criminal, uncivil and unfriendly justice in this case.
(DIR) Post #AUodUAtJ4z3hdXkgt6 by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T16:15:21Z
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@kthornton None of which is Dominion’s fault or Dominion’s job. My focus is on people acting disappointed at Dominion’s settlement.
(DIR) Post #AUodUBPZ92rZFaqSAa by kthornton@home.social
2023-04-19T16:34:26Z
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@Popehat we can and should be allowed to be disappointed. If corporations are “people,” we deserve better from them than this. If corporations don’t want to be held to “people standards” then, they should call the (Gop) legislators that made them people and work to change those laws. oh, wait. These corporations want it both ways. in that case, we get to express our disappointment, loudly and over and over. just my opinion, widely shared. #dominion
(DIR) Post #AUodUBxb6W5Kx8ldDM by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T16:41:27Z
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@kthornton So what did you want Dominion to do, and why?
(DIR) Post #AUodUCUZ7wSMbOBxbM by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-04-19T16:43:44Z
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@Popehat @kthornton Drag it out through trial, so that Fox is forced to self-incriminate.
(DIR) Post #AUofsii5C0V9NnKm3s by kthornton@home.social
2023-04-19T16:48:03Z
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@Popehat hold out for Fox to be forced to say on air that they lied, especially because the #Dominion corporation only makes money because of Democracy (voting machines,) and Fox’s lie harmed democracy.
(DIR) Post #AUofsjIwyvzZE8aDWi by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T16:59:20Z
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@kthornton Fox can’t be compelled to do that. So you’re saying Dominion should have held out for something that the law doesn’t offer them and that in fact is prohibited by the constitution. Can you understand why that annoys me?
(DIR) Post #AUofsjpv0MMasO0Xui by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-04-19T17:10:28Z
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@Popehat @kthornton No, Ken. Please explain in nauseating detail why it annoys you, and provide links and summaries to a hundred scholarly articles to back up your absurd case. 😐
(DIR) Post #AUoghtK1Utb541TraC by FuckElon@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T17:04:32Z
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@kthornton @Popehat They could not do that. Nothing but holding a gun to Murdoch's head could have accomplished that. Jesus.
(DIR) Post #AUoghuBCJC8DiwMKSu by kthornton@home.social
2023-04-19T17:10:54Z
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@FuckElon @Popehat had they gone to trial, they most certainly could have had that included in their settlement, but they took the money and ran. no self respecting democracy should use their machines again.
(DIR) Post #AUoghumQ4nuDaNm3U0 by FuckElon@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T17:18:54Z
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@kthornton @Popehat Did you just hear the big shot lawyer say that they could not? I am starting to think you have ulterior motives here.
(DIR) Post #AUoghvJO6EHFEdCNs0 by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-04-19T17:19:51Z
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@FuckElon @kthornton @Popehat I like Tigers ☺
(DIR) Post #AUoiSaMrsz4JqLdn7o by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T17:31:00Z
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@kthornton @FuckElon That’s about civil enforcement by public agencies.
(DIR) Post #AUoiSauBt5ivVhEP44 by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T17:36:44Z
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@kthornton @FuckElon Also, the article isn’t about being forced to admit wrongdoing in trials, because that’s not a thing. It’s about being forced to admit wrongdoing as the price of settling with certain public agencies.
(DIR) Post #AUoiSbQnvpoN8qURto by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-04-19T17:39:30Z
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@Popehat @kthornton @FuckElon Well, well, look at ol' Popehat, with his fancypants lawyer-words. 😒
(DIR) Post #AUoiWOAz9jn5BptdMu by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-04-19T17:40:13Z
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@Popehat @kthornton @FuckElon Well, well, well, hark at ol' Popehat, with his fancypants lawyer-words. 😒
(DIR) Post #AUpBe4uDaHtMPY4Xho by FuckElon@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T17:06:59Z
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@Popehat @kthornton I feel for you. I am no lawyer and it annoys me to no end. And It happens in a lot of other instances "Democrats caved" or "democrats are not doing what I want" but they go ahead and vote for third parties ensuring democrats will not have a chance to do what they want.
(DIR) Post #AUqR3t9ZavkxxfyoD2 by cdarwin@c.im
2023-04-19T15:09:06Z
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@Popehat Dominion was responsible for saving Dominion And we the people are responsible for saving democracy