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(DIR) Post #AUnInTgL9Bo9Dq5eqG by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:17:12Z
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I am going to address this comment for everyone. See the screenshot. (I should have done an explainer of how lawsuits work before posting that Dominion settled.)Here is how this works:š¹ Fox lied about Dominion.š¹ The lies damaged Dominion and caused harm to employees.š¹ Dominion therefore sued Fox for defamation (it's generally very hard to win a defamation case against a media company)š¹Fox could see they were going to lose, so they offered a settlement amount. 1/
(DIR) Post #AUnIykMfSgPC9FGJiy by billadler@mastodon.cloud
2023-04-19T01:19:14Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Fox is a disgraceful propaganda network.
(DIR) Post #AUnJ15JqWZIxiU3bxQ by emmreef@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T01:19:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Three quarters of a billion dollars is going to hurt Fox worse than a half-hearted apology.
(DIR) Post #AUnJBkpF3kAnLGpWAC by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T01:21:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield 787.6 million dollars is going to have to go somewhere and besides this is just the beginning. They going to take out the rage out on us since they are in our cable packages and it's our duty to call our cable companies and tell them to unfox our cable
(DIR) Post #AUnJHU2eNEpj1epjqi by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:22:39Z
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š¹A settlement for Dominion means money now instead of taking a c chance on a trial (which is unpredictable) and maybe money later.š¹In 2022, Dominion earned $17.7 million (it's best year)š¹The settlement offer was for $787.5š¹The size of the settlement depends on the amount of damages, not what person causing the damages can afford.It's up to Dominion to decide what it wants to accept.Whether you and I are happy about it is not a consideration.2/
(DIR) Post #AUnJbRNJzvN8Xz1DJA by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:26:11Z
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Forgot this bullet point:š¹A lot of embarrassing details about Fox emerged in those court papers. If you do don't like the settlement that Dominion reached, that's fine. I would have loved to see those Fox anchors on trial. I would have loved even more dirt about Fox to come out. But I don't expect Dominon to take my desires into account when deciding what offer to accept.If you are saying "FOX WON," you are saying something untrue.Isn't your complaint about Fox that they lie?3/
(DIR) Post #AUnJo3jhCNv6zpV7ke by homelessjun@mas.to
2023-04-19T01:28:28Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I think a lot of people are severely disappointed that big bad fox was not utterly and thoroughly defeated and destroyed at trial, rather than being granted quarter and paying a seemingly small amount of tribute.
(DIR) Post #AUnJpJaVkOv4RvntGS by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:28:45Z
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The object of this lawsuit was not to force Fox to stop lying because Dominion cannot do that.Lying is not a crime. You can lie all you want. So can Fox.But if you tell a lie that causes someone damage, they can sue you and collect money to compensate for the damage. That is what Dominion did.That should answer most questions and address the furious comments people are leaving for me.4/
(DIR) Post #AUnK0zDrI6zIlKm1TM by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2023-04-19T01:30:50Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thanks, just wondering if you could please answer this question for me? https://mastodon.nz/@jeremy_pm/110222284040940835
(DIR) Post #AUnKA38I7eStUoUVou by TheNurseIsIn@med-mastodon.com
2023-04-19T01:32:29Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I also very much appreciated the commentary I heard earlier that reminds us how much of a nightmare these Dominion employees have had to endure for the last 2.5 years. Random encounters with MAGA acolytes telling these employees that they cost Trump an election, etc. This settlement allows employees to hopefully gain some closure and move forward.
(DIR) Post #AUnKFFQroueP5fetTk by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T01:33:26Z
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@Teri_Kanefield people are disappointed that the lawsuit didn't destroy Fox News it was never going to 1.6 billion isn't enough since they get their profits off cable and stock. A lawsuit that would be continuing for years isn't the way to go. My advice to the rage addicts call your cable companies and tell them to unfox them from your cable package then take a mental health break
(DIR) Post #AUnKO7VqdPR38ODdbM by uninventive@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T01:35:03Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Honestly, thank you for your posts.First off, you don't owe the Internet (including me) anything. You have been very generous offering insight on how this process works and the rules of engagement in something like this. You absolutely didn't have to do this for us (or even do it today during the furor of the news coming out.)Second, there is no shame in posting explanations like these elsewhere that restrict commenting such as a blog, a video (like the Legal Eagle channel on YouTube), or some other area to save you the headache of taking on the Fediverse on days like these. Again, you are awesome. šā¤ļø
(DIR) Post #AUnKnxWGPbeFfajafA by Gbudd@qoto.org
2023-04-19T01:39:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thanks for all the insights Teri, they are truly appreciated. I get the general disappointment but totally understand why Dominion would be foolish not to settle.Do you have a feel for what happens to all the evidence that Dominion got in discovery? Did it become part of the public record once the trial started?
(DIR) Post #AUnL70ZzG7M8f8Yjvk by rebelyn2@c.im
2023-04-19T01:43:07Z
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@Teri_Kanefield This is a really helpful explainer thread. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AUnL9cXR6FZay8bzRg by tienle47@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T01:43:37Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I hope this makes FOX hesitate to blame the companies that make election equipment and software for election outcomes their audience doesn't like going forward. That would be a favorable outcome.
(DIR) Post #AUnLCINEWm2vIZ7Baa by Roarshack@c.im
2023-04-19T01:43:56Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thereās conflicting reports as to whether the special master will still investigate? Any thoughts?
(DIR) Post #AUnLM1B1JvZKrJ2Rlo by rcpierce@mastodon.online
2023-04-19T01:45:51Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Have you ever represented a client who says āI donāt care if it costs me $1 million in order to get $1, I just want a piece of paper that says theyāre wrong!ā ? Thatās what weāre dealing with here.
(DIR) Post #AUnLc0kOgVhaA0DBzs by Eddiethebulldog@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T01:48:45Z
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@Teri_Kanefield nobody should be angry at you here. Or Dominion.Fox sells drugs (lies) to drug addicts. Thatās what everyone learned.The addicts were never going to learn a damn thing.The dealer already knew the score.The rest of the community now knows the score.But itās a good business and profitable even with the occasional fines.And Fox really DOESNāT care about āreputationā. To them wealth is āreputationā. The addicts donāt want to be āsavedā.
(DIR) Post #AUnLfTJCwyhbbw90y0 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:49:24Z
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@rcpierce The client here is Dominion. Dominion is not saying that.People who are not parties to the law suit are saying, "I don't care if Dominion only gets $1. I want a paper saying Fox is wrong."See the difference?
(DIR) Post #AUnLyzD0ZShi36Y9IG by rcpierce@mastodon.online
2023-04-19T01:52:54Z
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@Teri_Kanefield You misunderstand me. My point is the general public and the public uproar is akin to that kind of client.
(DIR) Post #AUnM6g3bezbmy4osMa by iuculano@masto.ai
2023-04-19T01:54:17Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Basically, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
(DIR) Post #AUnNEEHWucrR5wUsim by kkeller@curling.social
2023-04-19T02:06:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield as you wrote in another post, the fact that Dominion was able to reach a settlement with Fox means that other people and organizations Fox defames with their lies can try to sue and potentially reach a settlement. It's not clear whether those folks would have as strong a case as Dominion seemed to have, but perhaps the door is slightly ajar.
(DIR) Post #AUnNSl0g1hjqeaXe2i by Catawu@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T02:09:29Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I was looking at it this way: Theyād likely win (go with me here), and immediately FOX would tie it up in appeals for years, and during that time legal costs would skyrocket, and FOX would find ways to āreportā on it in a way that continued to do damage, but was in essence ālegit newsā. This way, they get $$ and there are no appeals to sweat out. And terms can be written in that require other contrition. Weāll see.
(DIR) Post #AUnNeQGGzio9mKOoEK by SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org
2023-04-19T02:11:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield A more interesting question is whether Fox should have been required to retract the false statements during the shows in which they were made. While it is unclear if a judge could order that (see https://repository.uchastings.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1652&context=hastings_comm_ent_law_journal for a long discussion of the constitutionality of such an order), it could presumably have been agreed to by Fox as part of the settlement.
(DIR) Post #AUnOPVnWEEouYjP4oC by Cryptik@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T02:20:07Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Good call-out! And most tellingly, Fox waited until they saw the whites of jurors' eyes in the courtroom, KNEW they were going to lose AND have a whole bunch of dirty laundry aired, and only then decided to settle. That's an implicit admission of both guilt, and that there was worse to come for Fox. Good strategy for a losing hand, but let it be known: in the poker game, they folded. Hopefully this emboldens others to call out Fox and other Murdoch properties on their dishonesty and systemic mis-information campaigns. 'Ya know, now that Fox proven there's a _very_ lucrative market in doing so.
(DIR) Post #AUnQ9HFsjIF0jP3Z4a by AnOldGuy@mastodon.au
2023-04-19T02:39:34Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I feel sure that Carlson, Hannity and the rest will be pitching it as a FOX win for their audience.
(DIR) Post #AUnRAPiaqiq1DsalE0 by paulstone@indieweb.social
2023-04-19T02:50:59Z
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@Teri_Kanefield This is a huge win. I donāt understand all the angst. People are strange.
(DIR) Post #AUnSgCWxW3hdXis4um by PamelaBarroway@mstdn.social
2023-04-19T03:07:57Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thanks as always for the legal reality check to the goings-on/resolution of this entire thing.
(DIR) Post #AUnUFqfSNZgI7DPLfM by wndlb@mas.to
2023-04-19T03:25:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Dominion, owned by a hedge fund, *could* have extracted an agreed apology text, but took (doubtless) more $$ instead.
(DIR) Post #AUnVX7bUlRv3WEM5Me by toxtethogrady@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T03:39:56Z
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@Teri_Kanefield "Fox could see they were going to lose" is all the incentive they needed to settle. For them, it was probably a small amount, but for Dominion, it was a nice cash infusion and vindication after 24 months of being slimed as election stealers. But guys like Newsmax and OAN, sued for similar amounts of money, are more likely to find a settlement of that amount is going to smart a lot worse. And then there are the Sidney Powells, Lin Woods and Mike Lindells of the world. This is more than chump change to them...
(DIR) Post #AUnWJY9JN8hlkRGTr6 by MoiraEve@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T03:48:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I'm happy Fox has to pay Dominion, and it means Fox lost. I think Fox got egg all on their face in this case, and maybe some viewers will wake up and acknowledge the Fox Corporation for being utterly corrupt and mendacious.
(DIR) Post #AUnWUepcrpLleuLzKS by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T03:50:42Z
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@uninventive Thank you. Really, I needed that.
(DIR) Post #AUnYYasNiQbsSQeBrU by cathyginter@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T04:13:48Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Dominion made the right choice by far. The rest is up to the viewers and the advertisers who support FOX News to walk away if they want Murdoch to be further held accountable.
(DIR) Post #AUnYg2Ljy50pgyve7s by Snails@mas.to
2023-04-19T04:15:09Z
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@Teri_Kanefield which then makes the object of the suitā¦for Dominion to maximize their settlement-income-to-legal-expense ratio?š¤·š»In a society that relies on litigation to provide the boundaries of commercial ethical propriety, a settlement without sufficient impact to dissuade repeat and/or copycat offenses is a failure of the legal system to achieve the intended result.Hey, thatās what THIS settlement feels like!
(DIR) Post #AUnaHEUDuG1K0ECGBM by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T04:33:06Z
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I'll address another:"Going to trial would have been worse for Fox, so this was a win."You don't know that and either does anyone else. Trials don't always come out the way they should. (I thought the Rittenhouse trial cured people of thinking that.)Dominion has more information than any of us have, and Dominion thought this was best.5/
(DIR) Post #AUnae6XnbNQo1wm8ci by vrandecic@mas.to
2023-04-19T04:37:12Z
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@Teri_Kanefield thank you for your very accessible explanation!
(DIR) Post #AUo9aiMOYcqQYIYnWi by anathema_device@bne.social
2023-04-19T04:37:26Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Dominion1. Got a ruling that all of the allegations against their company were false, and they can throw it at anyone and any company which repeats them2. Got discovery that Rupert Murdoch is up to his eyebrows in the muck Fox News pushes3. Got discovery Fox news presenters tell the public stuff they donāt believe or think is beneficial to tell4. Proved Fox is vulnerable to competition and lawsuits, and that āactual maliceā is not an impossible standard to overcome
(DIR) Post #AUo9aj9Jcjyb01RrmK by thegansen@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T05:11:21Z
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@anathema_device @Teri_Kanefield ā¦ and as a result, Fox is paying over three quarters of a billion dollars. Right? What if Dominion went to trial and the jury found in their favor, then felt fair damages was $20 million? This is a civil lawsuit. This settlement is fucking unreal. They did very well. Dominion doesnāt owe anyone except their shareholders anything, for better or worse. Thatās how it works.
(DIR) Post #AUo9amVl7kiBQUyKg4 by thegansen@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T07:44:42Z
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@anathema_device @Teri_Kanefield You know, I wonder also what the payment terms are. Is it a lump sum payment, or payments quarterly, even yearly? Is it (somehow) an annuity thatās worth that number when it matures in 15 years? I havenāt seen anything about this, but if Fox gets to pay over time in any manner, thatās far less of a hit.
(DIR) Post #AUq9wdlSiI2mzBezDM by Artemis13Athena@universeodon.com
2023-04-19T04:51:58Z
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@anathema_device @Teri_Kanefield but will they tell the Fox viewers these facts?
(DIR) Post #AUq9wejj6EFY05r79E by anathema_device@bne.social
2023-04-19T21:56:50Z
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@Artemis13Athena @Teri_Kanefield Not really the point of my comment. Fox viewers don't want the truth. They want validation. They reject any facts which interfere with that, even if they come from Fox itself
(DIR) Post #AUq9wfUAJZOeK7aCX2 by Catmama@mas.to
2023-04-20T10:17:51Z
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@anathema_device True that Fox viewers don't want the truth, which is why they had such a fit when Fox declared AZ for Biden and some of them defected to Newsmax and OAN. They also regularly get mad at anybody on the news side who slips in a truth every once in a while. It's pathetic!@Artemis13Athena @Teri_Kanefield