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(DIR) Post #AUn83W6EpKjDrGeJii by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T21:10:48Z
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I am going to be a stickler for using words correctly. When you lose in a civil case, you generally have to pay money.Paying money is a consequence. Dominion sued for money.I've attached a copy of what Dominion demanded in its lawsuit.(The demand is always more than they think they'll get.)The consequence may not achieve what we were hoping it would achieve, but it was still a consequence and the logical outcome of a civil case.It means Fox lost.
(DIR) Post #AUn83WoYAaAq4hNhmy by BrandxB@climatejustice.social
2023-04-18T23:16:50Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Wish: no meaningful binding conditions on dominion in agreement so they can turn over their discovery to Smartmatic. Smartmatic then uses that lever to force a larger settlement
(DIR) Post #AUn83XF8ZjRPP9owEK by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T21:14:01Z
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We can hope that there will be more far reaching consequences to Fox as a result of this lawsuit, and the Smartmatic suit coming up, but saving democracy is tedious work and up to each of us.My husband was looking at the numbers and just told me that Dominion's peak revenue in 2022 was 17.5 million with 100 employees.The settlement was for $787.5 million, which will take care of Dominion employees who were harmed.
(DIR) Post #AUn83Y6JO1yY44hP72 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T21:18:50Z
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The idea behind a lawsuit isn't to punish or hurt the bad guy but to make the injured party whole.There are punitive damages, but generally the idea is that if you cause an injury you have to pay the cost of making the injured person whole.Sometimes it takes a lot of money to do that.This was a lot of money to Dominion for a defamation case (!)
(DIR) Post #AUn9WJtTO3lUM1ycSm by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
2023-04-18T23:33:15Z
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@Teri_Kanefield It still feels less satisfactory than dragging Fox into subshine for weeks and months. I am really disappointed that public service was denied us.
(DIR) Post #AUn9uTcEtO45SNR0Zk by casanabria@hachyderm.io
2023-04-18T23:37:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I thought the point of punitive damages was to deter others from repeating the behavior, hence the “punitive” aspect of the damages, to be awarded as a punishment for malicious and/or incredibly reckless behavior
(DIR) Post #AUnAAO9Iz8NX8SUL0S by joseph@su.bli.me
2023-04-18T22:23:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield This is why so many people take umbrage with lawyering as a practice. On paper, Fox lost. In practice, they won handily. They cut a check, that’s it. They cut a check. A check they won’t even feel, practically. They get to continue business as usual. None of their viewers will ever see what this actually means.Fox won. They won big.
(DIR) Post #AUnAAP41aFkTyN1dPk by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T22:31:58Z
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@joseph Fox damages Dominion.Dominion sues for damages.Dominon gets more than compensated for the damages they sufferedYou: THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE LAWYERS. WHY DIDN'T THIS LAW SUIT TOTALLY RUIN FOX INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT IT SET OUT TO DO.
(DIR) Post #AUnAAPxKGdz6jstnc0 by Frankc1450@union.place
2023-04-18T23:40:30Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @joseph no , this is me. Why can't I sue Fox for all the damage they've done to my country? Killing people by telling them not to mask? Covering for lies and crimes of politicians?
(DIR) Post #AUnAQROyev7trCTP4i by cherold@zirk.us
2023-04-18T21:15:34Z
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@Teri_Kanefield People are so upset they settled, but I'm unclear on what they think would have happened otherwise. There might have been more juicy revelations, but there were already plenty. Fox is buying a pretty hefty price and has been humiliated. And if they thought Dominion was going to run Fox News out of business, that would be wishful thinking. So (not rhetorically) why is there so much crying right now?
(DIR) Post #AUnAQS6w1UHw3X2Vai by TammyGentzel@awscommunity.social
2023-04-18T21:52:00Z
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@cherold @Teri_Kanefield What are the chances people who had their lives ruined because they believed the lies could sue for compensation?
(DIR) Post #AUnAQSlLbEcA4rwma8 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T21:54:25Z
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@TammyGentzel @cherold That is what happened. Dominion employees had their lives ruined so they sued for compensation. A company of 100 employees got 787 million.
(DIR) Post #AUnAQTF7oWQxZDsYzo by TammyGentzel@awscommunity.social
2023-04-18T22:18:41Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Not quite. The Dominion employees didn’t believe the lies. I was talking about the Fox listeners who did. People’s lives were substantively altered in negative ways because they trusted Fox news to broadcast the truth.
(DIR) Post #AUnAQTl1ttxFAAo2j2 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T22:23:59Z
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@TammyGentzel Right. Dominion employees were harmed by Fox's lies. They were harmed because a lot of people believed the lies.They therefore collected damages to compensate them for the harm they suffered.
(DIR) Post #AUnAQUKTm6JKw7OLyq by TammyGentzel@awscommunity.social
2023-04-18T23:43:20Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I apologize for asking my question in a muddled way. I’ll try to clarify: Is it possible, now that there is a public record of Fox lying, the people who believed the lies and suffered measurable damage as a result, could also claim standing to sue Fox and could potentially win a settlement and/or the case? Or has the judicial system ruled that a person harmed because they took action based on lies is solely responsible for those actions? Examples: 1/2
(DIR) Post #AUnBKSVRjwtfUzD6pc by CatHerding@mastodon.social
2023-04-18T23:53:27Z
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@Teri_Kanefield “take care of the emoloyees that were harmed”. (Pardon, I’m not a lawyer) Isn’t the awarded money paid directly to the company (not individual employees)? In America, business is autocratic. It’s almost unAmerican for a company to bring in a bunch of money & turn around & share it with employees even (or especially) when they are harmed.
(DIR) Post #AUnBM6gHrAAuO94CtE by tasket@mastodon.social
2023-04-18T23:53:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield "but saving democracy is tedious work and up to each of us."Baloney.This is a business transaction facilitated by the courts that leaves Fox viewers in the dark about what happened."Saving democracy" WTF. If there is no requirement for broadcasting a retraction, then both parties are feeding off the fruits of the coup attempt.
(DIR) Post #AUnBbHze51mlogMSCu by tasket@mastodon.social
2023-04-18T23:56:34Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Dominion sued over reputational harm... And then took money from Fox WITH NO REQUIREMENT OF A PUBLIC RETRACTION!!!!Bullshit!!!!How can a court of "justice" agree to that?!
(DIR) Post #AUnBsXcbEB7tD3o9q4 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-18T23:59:43Z
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@CatHerding From the complaint:"Dominion’s employees, from its software engineers to its founder and Chief Executive Officer, have been repeatedly harassed. Some have even received death threats."Compensation for damages was demanded.Why would a court allow the company to keep all the money and not compensate the employees that were harmed?
(DIR) Post #AUnBybcxFOp5N2rkau by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T00:00:47Z
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@tasket Read the complaint. They never demanded a public retraction.They demanded money to compensate for their damages.They got what they demanded.Do not yell curse words at me. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AUnC5ax89bF7J0dTeq by TammyGentzel@awscommunity.social
2023-04-18T23:43:50Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Examples: People who made donations to Stop the Steal based on Fox news reports;Election workers harassed by people who believed Fox news broadcasts that the workers were manipulating Dominion machines and changing votes. 2/2
(DIR) Post #AUnC5bLwfL5mXyFIKu by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T00:02:03Z
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@TammyGentzel I see, yes. This could open the door to other lawsuits.
(DIR) Post #AUnCPm9SE7QHpV1U36 by tasket@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T00:05:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Correct, corporation Dominion is OK with Fox's (a communications corp) general aims against the democratic process as long as they can get paid. No retraction necessary. @jennycohn The court facilitated a racketeering transaction against democracy.
(DIR) Post #AUnClAN7N4Er1rc7RQ by CatHerding@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T00:09:33Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Oh I see. So the plaintiff was the employees (at Dominion) not the LLC (or whatever business structure Dominion uses). Therefore the employees were harmed and the money is for them not just to keep company affloat. Did I get that kinda right?
(DIR) Post #AUnClrmRyl3HesnSOe by TammyGentzel@awscommunity.social
2023-04-19T00:09:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thank you for taking the time to read and respond. I appreciate it.
(DIR) Post #AUnCmw8jFy5ZT5jBHk by statmonkey@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T00:09:51Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Your take is factually correct. It seems dissatisfying but they weren't looking for my satisfaction as you point out.
(DIR) Post #AUnCuL7AnaZexBWv5M by CatHerding@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T00:11:12Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Citizen’s United ruling had me thinking this was a case of a business as a person. Business was harmed so libel to business.
(DIR) Post #AUnFEdlZMWRaV5EV4C by PaulDitz@mstdn.social
2023-04-19T00:37:18Z
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@Teri_Kanefield This exactly. I was very confused by the negative reaction to the settlement.
(DIR) Post #AUnGNjFkQq984sFKS0 by Runyan50@newsie.social
2023-04-19T00:50:06Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @RiaResists Is there a cease and desist order as part of this or can Fox just pick up where they left off and accuse Dominion of changing votes on national TV?
(DIR) Post #AUnHSaAlig39JknNey by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T01:02:15Z
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@Runyan50 @RiaResists I can assure you that Fox will not defame Dominion again.if they do, Dominion will sue again, and Fox will have to pay more. In fact, if that happens and they lose, they'd probably have to pay penalties.Will Fox stop lying altogether?Nope.
(DIR) Post #AUnJwlmXJz3Dv0z19M by tjs@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T01:30:02Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Glad I finally migrated here and found you. Still a lot to learn about this site though. Not even sure I am sending this to you.
(DIR) Post #AUnQ3NFtVYmRbSFPHM by neoczo@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T02:38:31Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Fox did not lose. Their claims stand. They paid Dominion to shut up. That's what it did.
(DIR) Post #AUnQE2tnX6SDed06kK by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T02:40:28Z
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@neoczo "Fox did not lose" is an untruth on par with anything Fox has said.I did a few explainers about the basics of civil law that should clear up these misconceptions.
(DIR) Post #AUnQUUwD3KRvFTyR7I by neoczo@mastodon.world
2023-04-19T02:43:25Z
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@Teri_Kanefield again, Fox did not retract. It claims stand. Paying a settlement is not an admission of wrong doing.
(DIR) Post #AUnSIuCTVBJm22BKVc by Breathe@mstdn.social
2023-04-19T03:03:45Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @neoczo Sure I am disapointed not to get to watch Fox News liars exposed in court. However, saying "Fox Won" is as false a report as saying "Dominion changed votes". It has a demoralizing effect on us. When someone tells me "Fox Won" they are spreading demoralizing lies. No more temper tantrums we have a democracy to save.
(DIR) Post #AUnVyyDRGJpUVjNl8S by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T03:44:59Z
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@Breathe @neoczoBreathe, please unfollow me or I will block you.We have a different view of what is true and what is not."Fox lost" is true."Fox won" is false.We don't tell lies because it makes people feel good.If you think I am spreading lies because I said "fox lost" we will never get along.I'll let you unfollow so I don't have to block. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #AUnW5pZnmVFHkA77Uu by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-04-19T03:46:12Z
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@BreatheBreathe, please unfollow me or I will block you.We have a different view of what is true and what is not, so we will never be able to communicate."Fox lost" is true."Fox won" is false.We don't tell lies because it makes people feel good.If you think I am spreading lies because I said "fox lost" we will never get along.I'll let you unfollow so I don't have to block. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #AUnYKghbG1ngTMyPNg by UnUtopianOptimist@mastodon.social
2023-04-19T04:11:16Z
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@Teri_Kanefield If someone sells a product by making fraudulent claims they can be criminally as well as civilly liable. The Fox hosts should be criminally liable for profiting by pedaling fraudulent news. If Carlson, Hannity, etc were imprisoned for the fraud they perpetuated the next generation might be held back from the same crime of fraud. A lie to defraud is criminal, and they should be accountable.
(DIR) Post #AUoEzXF3X2bn4zmYeu by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-04-18T21:14:00Z
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@Teri_Kanefield yep I said it when it was 1st reported that Fox News blinked and there are 3 reasons why am going to show you both. 1. A special master was appointed and the settlement may not stop them from investigating.2. Smartmatics is suing Fox for over 2 billion dollars in damages 2x higher than Dominion lawsuit which is more dangerous than Dominion lawsuit ever was. 3. Abby Grossberg is also suing Fox News and she has the recordings that she can represent to a judge https://www.rawstory.com/fox-news-dominion-special-master-continues/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter