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(DIR) Post #AUcMvjk3vEuuO5kFSS by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-13T18:41:27Z
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One of the ironies of the security clearance process is that very young people can find it much easier than older persons to get high clearances, simply because they haven't been alive long enough to have built up a complex life history to be studied in the granting process.
(DIR) Post #AUcNDlnF2BkvxhpZdA by noplasticshower@zirk.us
2023-04-13T18:44:37Z
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@lauren how many millions of people have clearances again? The whole thing is an absurd joke.
(DIR) Post #AUcNS1uDvOb9zLtdFA by BearGriffin@discuss.systems
2023-04-13T18:47:16Z
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@lauren Re security clearance: where very young is under 30. There are also GIGANTIC changes in how classified material is being stored and the absence of accounting of who has what & when did they use it. I am too old for this stuff.
(DIR) Post #AUcNZE4b5LtxkgBDKi by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-13T18:48:35Z
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@BearGriffin Remember the TRW case? Made into a major motion picture.
(DIR) Post #AUcNmfZa9Ydmo05DmK by Gorba@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T18:50:55Z
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@lauren yup and a little known fact is people with bad credit, history of drugs etc can all get clearances as long as they disclose them, because the belief is as long as the issues are disclosed they can’t be used as leverage. I fellow soldier I served with was a former porn shop owner with a drug conviction he had a ts/sci clearance just like me
(DIR) Post #AUcNoJOnZAcac5p38C by EugestShirley@m.ai6yr.org
2023-04-13T18:51:16Z
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@lauren Also they can remember where they worked. This sounds ridiculous, but I had more than one job where the company was purchased, renamed and divested so many times that even I can't find a trace of them.
(DIR) Post #AUcNyEBxmSmDMNXz0a by DarcMoughty@infosec.exchange
2023-04-13T18:53:05Z
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@lauren Right?! What do they think I'm gonna do, dip the secret documents in LSD?
(DIR) Post #AUcOCEZNApFiaLAw0O by gpshead@infosec.exchange
2023-04-13T18:55:36Z
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@lauren is that really true in the age of young people by default sharing too much information on too many social platforms?
(DIR) Post #AUcOe2LUDQW0mVwBiC by dictvm@chaos.social
2023-04-13T19:00:35Z
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@lauren I'm strangely irritated by the direction the discourse around this topic has taken. I remember the angle having been "top secret is such is such an overused classification and everyone and their neighbour seem to getting clearance without intensive background checks" during the Snowden years. It's really confusing.
(DIR) Post #AUcOrNgKCRZaid30Vc by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-13T19:03:04Z
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@dictvm What's your confusion in this instance? This case seems totally separate from issues of over classification. In this case, whatever the classification levels were, the suspect presumably knew it was unlawful to publish them online. Whether or not the classifications were too low or too high is not a relevant issue.
(DIR) Post #AUcPeAeTQuUiUsRk6C by Torbjorn@toot.wales
2023-04-13T19:11:50Z
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@lauren Also the lovely naivety of assuming a young person who has done “nothing wrong” is safe 🙄
(DIR) Post #AUcPjv8a1o6c7LGoS0 by dictvm@chaos.social
2023-04-13T19:12:52Z
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@lauren that the classification has been completely diluted in meaning, resulting in critical information being available to an unnecessarily broad group of people.
(DIR) Post #AUcPtSNvmeXxq5zuvg by MadMadMadMadRN@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T19:14:38Z
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@laurenSpecifically, young people (at least American young people) don't spend a lot of time overseas backpacking, working abroad, etc. I've heard that one reason so many LDS members work in the IC is that their missionary work gives them excellent foreign language skills as well as time overseas where they can account for exactly where they were and what they were doing and have it corroborated by other people.
(DIR) Post #AUcQOMFKeo7dmGi6XA by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-13T19:20:12Z
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@dictvm This is to a significant extent an outcome of 9/11, where it was asserted that too much intel was too tightly held and not disseminated in ways that would be most useful against future attacks. Of course like everything else it went too far.
(DIR) Post #AUcT7MRgxjqxKr4vVg by masek@infosec.exchange
2023-04-13T19:50:43Z
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@lauren Yeah, but we noticed that younger people in the IT shy away from jobs/roles that require security clearance. It is really unpopular and one of the reasons we may discontinue the affected area of business completely.
(DIR) Post #AUcYhOVjGGfpw5y5Me by TonyJWells@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T20:53:12Z
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@lauren @dictvm I think it also coincided with a significant move to electronic documents and more general access, rather than paper and signed & witnessed authorisations needed per document.Pre 2000, a lot of younger people would be very security conscious as they didn't know what they could share, but the people who worked there for years would often know what to share, Now, a lot of people get direct access to a large ocean of confidential information. tbh, that's good and bad.
(DIR) Post #AUcdWKmDIuREwMDxDs by robeaston@dreamin.online
2023-04-13T21:47:12Z
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@lauren I feel triggered
(DIR) Post #AUchhnXv50cPAYGBsW by wsrphoto@sfba.social
2023-04-13T22:34:11Z
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@lauren I got top secret clearance with USAF (FBI background check) during Vietnam War (prevented being in Vietnam) and it's never been rescinded. It was downgraded without prejudice in 1990's because who command was downgraded. I asume FBI would update it if I needed it, but it's just been collecting dudt.
(DIR) Post #AUcmEdyC6XXcqGT2Dw by stargazersmith@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-13T23:24:57Z
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@lauren I hadn't thought about that. Maybe you have a good point there.