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(DIR) Post #AUZv8OGMQzrPajPaPQ by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-12T14:20:48Z
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I was on a podcast where kids asked two people questions to decide who was the fake and who was the real expert.The host said that early on, the kids chose the fake every time because the actors answered every question confidently and the experts would hedge or even sometimes say, "I don't know."They eventually told the fakes to be less confident so the kids would pick the expert sometimes.It just occurred to me this is now real life with #chatGPT (but nobody is telling it to back off).
(DIR) Post #AUZvXVHxRxHQcZ8LZ2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-12T14:25:17Z
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@Leszek_Karlik The kids were fooled and said the actor was the expert every time.
(DIR) Post #AUZvmUXKWoZWdGTF0C by colorblindcowboy@mastodon.art
2023-04-12T14:28:01Z
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@grammargirl Interesting. That’s how good liars succeed, right?
(DIR) Post #AUZvuk3wgdHx6Of0Hg by MarkLenahan@mastodon.xyz
2023-04-12T14:29:33Z
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@grammargirl I think those kids had a real insight into the nature of expertise right there!
(DIR) Post #AUZwJp43EAKJr1fXpw by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-12T14:34:04Z
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@MarkLenahan I just edited the post to make it more clear that the kids were fooled.
(DIR) Post #AUZwgtfOHZsMmw8YZU by MarkLenahan@mastodon.xyz
2023-04-12T14:38:15Z
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@grammargirl oh no, I got that completely back to front, sorry! Still, I think the insight is in there even if the kids chose the wrong way. Real experts focus a lot on what they don't know.
(DIR) Post #AUZxD5ssOSeRwlnVho by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T14:44:09Z
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@grammargirl Sharp eye. Internet celebrity era made common folk never say: maybe, perhaps, i do not know, i need more time to make up my mind.
(DIR) Post #AUZxhn0Sd8RoNMywEK by budgibson@me.dm
2023-04-12T14:49:35Z
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@grammargirl I just got my academic license for GitHub copilot. ChatGPT is very effective in some areas. The trick is to narrow its scope and not believe in it as gospel. Of course, my students and I have the advantage of knowing its fallible, and our code must pass the performance test.
(DIR) Post #AUZxtFShAqtzoXeVoO by jargoggles@mstdn.social
2023-04-12T14:51:41Z
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@grammargirl "The host said early on, the kids thought the fake was the expert every time because the actors answered every question confidently and the experts would hedge or even sometimes say, 'I don't know.'"This seems to work on most adults, too.
(DIR) Post #AUZy3GKgn6U9PXgO36 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-12T14:53:31Z
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@budgibson I occasionally use it and find it quite useful.Yesterday, it gave me great suggestions for things to mix into my tuna for lunch and reminded me of popular catch phrases from TV shows.But I worry about the general public's ability to deal with all the factual errors.
(DIR) Post #AUZyYqOGmMl6DePtT6 by budgibson@me.dm
2023-04-12T14:59:13Z
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@grammargirl A partial solution is that, as a user, you are responsible for how you use the tool. But, I agree, something that can basically slander people on the open web (e.g., saying public officials have been convicted of corruption when they have not) needs something to rein it in.
(DIR) Post #AUZzXjbwbDjgrEqcNs by awkwarddavies@ohai.social
2023-04-12T15:10:13Z
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@grammargirl in your recent podcast about sufficiently s'funsified, you shared that he received 'more than 46 responses' to an inquiry into the phrase. In another podcast, they said that "this hasn't happened for at least 23 years." Is there a better way to write these statements? For example, if someone wrote more than 46 responses, I'd assume it was 47 and why not just say that. Or maybe "we received 46 responses that we remember but there were likely more?"
(DIR) Post #AUa0S95z2GcY74nUDA by Npars01@mstdn.social
2023-04-12T15:20:24Z
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@grammargirl Dunning Kruger Effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
(DIR) Post #AUa0swfBMmiJNF2YBE by chrisdecibel@c.im
2023-04-12T15:25:14Z
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@grammargirl Too many humans are intellectually lazy, and rather than question what they are told they just accept the loudest, most confident, and what usually is the least qualified voice. For a high number of individuals they continue on in life reacting the same way rather than questioning or thinking because that requires actual work. This also explains the level of unqualified leaders in our executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.
(DIR) Post #AUa0x15SrPTGFjH68G by chrisdecibel@c.im
2023-04-12T15:26:00Z
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@grammargirl Too many humans are intellectually lazy, and rather than question what they are told they just accept the loudest, most confident, and what usually is the least qualified voice. For a high number of individuals they continue on in life reacting the same way rather than questioning or thinking because that requires actual work. This also explains the level of unqualified leaders in our executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government.
(DIR) Post #AUa17MWa0n21dRtItE by CelloMomOnCars@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T15:27:53Z
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@grammargirl Is that what's happening with the #climate denial machine and the climate scientists. Doesn't help that the latter are trained to add to their findings things that are unfortunately named, like "the uncertainty" or even worse "the error bar". Boy did the deniers make hay off of that.
(DIR) Post #AUa17q3YDHdXE6XXo8 by MayaBerger@mstdn.social
2023-04-12T15:27:54Z
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@grammargirl People respond to confidence, and maybe we expect it more from AI than people since AI can't be swayed by emotion or bias.But #ChatGPT is only as good as the (human-generated) internet data it's trained on, and humans on the internet are often nothing but emotion and bias!I agree chatbots and AI can be useful, and they're not going away, but like any expert it would help if they cited their sources and showed their work a little more, at least in this phase of their development.
(DIR) Post #AUa1UcdAIN6uFS3vM0 by notsoloud@expressional.social
2023-04-12T15:32:03Z
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@grammargirlIt's with experts like with beggars, politicians, or pious people. The ones that are the real deal are just being themselves, for better or for worse.The "professionals" have the eye for detail and the flexibility to look the way people expect of them. Wonder who's most successful.
(DIR) Post #AUa1tUuW8TDhXo2YU4 by CocoCorgi@ohai.social
2023-04-12T15:36:32Z
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@grammargirl that sounds like how republicans choose their leaders now
(DIR) Post #AUa2gf0xMHRH4QUjgm by uninventive@universeodon.com
2023-04-12T15:45:27Z
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@grammargirl Generative AI during a time of rising fascism is probably the absolute worst time to reveal it.
(DIR) Post #AUa3ute1rOneSB7fiy by Unampho@tech.lgbt
2023-04-12T15:59:13Z
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@grammargirl As an "expert" in something, I definitely say "I don't know" more often than before because I know more now the depths to which others have dived on problems where I have only seen the surface.Sometimes it's like my expertise is in posing problems, not having answers.
(DIR) Post #AUa7ih3hEEgXlCZ5rE by derwinmcgeary@octodon.social
2023-04-12T16:41:49Z
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@grammargirl what was the podcast? That sounds really fun!
(DIR) Post #AUa90jPDLCEOCqnLIO by barrygoldman1@sauropods.win
2023-04-12T16:56:16Z
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@grammargirl how old kids? Y 'experts' couldnt deeply connect w kids and teach them. I dont buy this. How many minuts w each? Id hv to listen
(DIR) Post #AUa9nBHczn5SZELhWy by levpetrovitch@livellosegreto.it
2023-04-12T17:05:02Z
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@grammargirlAdults are no better. Worse, maybe.@astro_jcm #chatgpt
(DIR) Post #AUaC0sCUwQWHLUbeGe by Davastewart@zirk.us
2023-04-12T17:29:55Z
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@grammargirl This is a thing (in real life) that has bothered me for a long time. People who exude confidence seem to attract others, while real experts understand what they don't know and get overlooked or ignored.
(DIR) Post #AUaDf2OCZxQwU0nQtE by Kencf618033@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-12T17:48:24Z
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@grammargirl @jonah #chatgpt
(DIR) Post #AUaDkgSD2ybSBnMZjE by Kencf618033@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-12T17:49:25Z
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@grammargirl Can be useful, taken with a grain of salt the size of a cow lick.#chatgpt
(DIR) Post #AUaEGYyoN4moH7oVsm by CassandraZeroCovid@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T17:55:08Z
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@grammargirl It's exactly like chatGPT"It just occurred to me this is now real life with #chatGPT (but nobody is telling it to back off)."
(DIR) Post #AUaGq545GtT7pSLNB2 by Greengordon@spore.social
2023-04-12T18:24:01Z
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@grammargirl This is exactly why narcissists do so well: they ooze confidence. It's not just the kids getting conned."the kids thought the fake was the expert every time because the actors answered every question confidently and the experts would hedge or even sometimes say, "I don't know."
(DIR) Post #AUaJFl78Gpv9OF8qJc by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-04-12T18:51:02Z
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@grammargirl do you know how old the kids were? There may be a developmental component.
(DIR) Post #AUaJRvDwVZNkDi7vc0 by tryst@meow.social
2023-04-12T18:53:15Z
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@grammargirl This is also an issue in politics
(DIR) Post #AUaKJMsaPrQ5L9cfQG by ShadSterling@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T19:02:55Z
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@grammargirl we teach kids the lie that experts are people who know all about something, rather than the truth that experts are people who understand the tradeoffs and can tell you when knowing a thing would be a misunderstandingWe should stop teaching kids lies
(DIR) Post #AUaKiSj9oKQQiVB6ki by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T19:07:23Z
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@grammargirl Perhaps ChatGPT's arrival should be what finally convinces western societies to put critical thinking lessons onto school curriculums.
(DIR) Post #AUaKsKK9uO4JYCBmkq by garthc@sfba.social
2023-04-12T19:09:14Z
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@grammargirl right in line with this research https://ideas.ted.com/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men-become-leaders-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/
(DIR) Post #AUaN3n4dYfBvoGWU8O by jwcph@norrebro.space
2023-04-12T19:33:42Z
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@grammargirl Seems like maybe we suck a little bit at teaching our kids how to gauge trustworthiness, too...
(DIR) Post #AUaP2n4IIE9XPZ0tM0 by csstrowbridge@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T19:55:54Z
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@grammargirl "Strong but wrong." is the best way to convince people you know what you are talking about.
(DIR) Post #AUaPgLoV2q34SvUPnU by atatassault@universeodon.com
2023-04-12T20:03:06Z
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@grammargirl @Leszek_Karlik I've been saying that conservatives have the emotional maturity of kids for years, but I didn't realize the also have the intellectual maturity as well.One of the ways to spot a con-man is they are always confident, and never speak to what they don't know.
(DIR) Post #AUaPzHbIvr40tyLSDo by riptwitterelonmusk3@aus.social
2023-04-12T20:06:24Z
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@grammargirl was it the big fib?
(DIR) Post #AUaR2FFGFKnYQ30j5c by AnnieBuddy@mstdn.ca
2023-04-12T20:18:14Z
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@grammargirl@zirk.us So this explains Trump. He can be wrong about just about everything, he can be a failure at everything he tries, but because he speaks so confidently, people believe him.It may be too late for a lot of people, but maybe we should teach our kids to look at more than what a person says, or how they say it. They need to look at what they've done and what they do.
(DIR) Post #AUaS15Hpt079CLE2mu by RickElliott@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T20:29:15Z
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@grammargirl confidence is sexy
(DIR) Post #AUaT91j36sG2QNJ0C0 by duncan@ieji.de
2023-04-12T20:41:51Z
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@grammargirl I don't think the answer is to ask the fakes and the chat gpts to back off, I think a stronger response would be to openly acknowledge the phenomenon and educate the kids and the public in how to spot a fake.
(DIR) Post #AUaYyNfTmtT117wV5E by kk@awscommunity.social
2023-04-12T21:47:11Z
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@grammargirl it’s also why tech bros like Elon musk get funding
(DIR) Post #AUaZ7QQIuffGAW9noe by llewelly@sauropods.win
2023-04-12T21:48:50Z
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@grammargirl most adults who don't regularly interact with academics behave the same way those two kids did. That is a major factor in why propagandists have been so successful in conning so many to ignore scientific advice on topics ranging from global warming to vaccines to vitamins, and more. chatGPT and its ilk greatly accelerate an existing problem.
(DIR) Post #AUaZHfFGez8t2AsSH2 by aismallard@mas.to
2023-04-12T21:50:42Z
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@grammargirl @chjara news shows, con men, fictional shows, all manner of mediums take advantage of confidence to get people to see them as more authoritative, literally style over substance. definitely an important thing to teach children, after all having media training has nothing to do with being an expert in a certain field.
(DIR) Post #AUaauVWSqHj87z0T4a by swagpussc@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T22:08:55Z
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@grammargirlUmm what? I think you're mixing duplicitous humans up with a machine who read more books than you and all humans combined in four days.
(DIR) Post #AUabJIaW4PE7FdiuHI by bodhipaksa@mastodon.scot
2023-04-12T22:13:23Z
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@grammargirl Wow, that's sobering. Can you give us a link to the podcast? I'd love to listen to that one.
(DIR) Post #AUaeImk2m1wkLOctjE by apm77@mastodon.online
2023-04-12T22:46:54Z
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[Reply to https://zirk.us/@grammargirl/110186282884789836 by @grammargirl]I sincerely hope that the early episodes were used in schools to teach children about the perils of assuming that confidence equals expertise.
(DIR) Post #AUalByN7pj8E4DbaBU by ddgulledge@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-13T00:04:07Z
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@grammargirl I tried an experiment today. I asked ChatGPT to answer questions in the style of Calvin's father from Calvin and Hobbes and Cliff Clavin from Cheers.
(DIR) Post #AUaqWBAaScnhJyC9VQ by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-13T01:03:49Z
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@albnelson The site says the kids are between 8 and 11 years old.
(DIR) Post #AUarIH3xqxM5Uy1yBk by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-13T01:12:29Z
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@awkwarddavies I think in some cases there's a sense that it's likely there are more responses and we just don't now how many, for example.I guess language such as "first documented 23 years ago" and "the author gave examples of 46 responses" would be more precise.
(DIR) Post #AUasv71fCkLNcJ2Pb6 by awkwarddavies@ohai.social
2023-04-13T01:30:43Z
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@grammargirl that would make more sense. I always feel it seems very arbitrary.
(DIR) Post #AUau98JLK5rrbwYZyy by ijk64@m.futex.au
2023-04-13T01:44:28Z
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@grammargirl bingo
(DIR) Post #AUauuIOPenJSUPPuq0 by acm_redfox@jawns.club
2023-04-13T01:52:58Z
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@grammargirl honestly, this is the battle of information versus misinformation, everywhere on the Internet, on air, etc!!!
(DIR) Post #AUavSUILuY8FFWt0im by ncallaway@hachyderm.io
2023-04-13T01:59:10Z
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@grammargirl what was the podcast? I’d love to listen, even if the concept is fairly terrifying
(DIR) Post #AUax4G6BF00aB8lda4 by opalmirror@hachyderm.io
2023-04-13T02:17:09Z
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@grammargirl This is the GOP in a nutshell
(DIR) Post #AUax6t8H5LXFoq06yW by mamelby@indieauthors.social
2023-04-13T02:17:40Z
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@grammargirl But like - this has been "real life" for a while. Adults follow confident frauds all the damn time.
(DIR) Post #AUax9jaN2KaN4wV2Ce by opalmirror@hachyderm.io
2023-04-13T02:18:11Z
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@grammargirl @Leszek_Karlik Thiab8s how Ronald Reagan won the Presidency, W and Don. It's a confidence game.
(DIR) Post #AUaxMfTLdnVE5PNkbQ by Bam@sfba.social
2023-04-13T02:20:29Z
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@grammargirl @AnneTheWriter1 So ChatGPT is the new mediocre white guy.
(DIR) Post #AUaxlWb5m8KfnfrC7M by twasink@aus.social
2023-04-13T02:25:00Z
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@grammargirl @HollyGoDarkly they would have done better to teach the kids that real expertise involves recognising the boundaries of their knowledge.
(DIR) Post #AUazGuGjukMw9ErhFQ by jackwilliambell@rustedneuron.com
2023-04-13T02:41:48Z
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@grammargirl First remove Dunning Kruger effect. Second remove is when the kids confidently pass on the BS to their peers.
(DIR) Post #AUb0aHfJFefoAOA3Sy by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-04-13T02:56:35Z
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@grammargirl Worse - they're working to fuzzy what can and can't be modeled. Bobbleheads don't want to be told 'no' now they've found a new way to carve money out of you.
(DIR) Post #AUb1mpnGHzLVRVQfYW by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-04-13T03:10:00Z
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@grammargirl I wish I could find the study -- I know it was elementary school-aged kids -- but this research was saying that young kids don't read boastful behavior as anti-social and actually think it is kind of useful as a way to get to know people. Seems consistent with this -- if you say "I know everything about X" to a kid they say, "Cool, good to know that."
(DIR) Post #AUb1r1IlRbREID9z7I by folderalconspiracy@tech.lgbt
2023-04-13T03:10:49Z
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@grammargirl @dragonarchitect Everyone forgets that the origin of the term 'con man' is confidence man, as in someone who can fake confidence.
(DIR) Post #AUb2paBqrI41s9nzAO by waderoberts@aus.social
2023-04-13T03:21:44Z
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@grammargirl a robust feedback mechanism is crucial to any system of information or knowledge.Understanding and accepting “I don’t know” as a valid response to a question is a requirement for mature discourse.
(DIR) Post #AUb6vUXRBUx3tiyVLk by NilaJones@zeroes.ca
2023-04-13T04:07:39Z
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@grammargirl Exactly. Conservative adults are constantly duped by this, because they haven't learned psychological concepts such as projection and compensation...which are taught in liberal namby-pamby schools
(DIR) Post #AUbBV7Tumnpid7ZUlk by SteveBennett@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T04:58:55Z
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@grammargirl Actually I noticed ChatGPT hedging much more after my earliest experiments with it.
(DIR) Post #AUbErZp2OdwalCqqzg by Soozcat@vmst.io
2023-04-13T05:36:35Z
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@grammargirl "The best lack all conviction, while the worstAre full of passionate intensity." --from The Second Coming by W.B. Yeats
(DIR) Post #AUbLm5ddtJ4NNVqtnM by FaithfullJohn@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T06:54:02Z
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@grammargirl ☹️
(DIR) Post #AUbLnqe6bVCpSVuJ9M by Cleopatra@c.im
2023-04-13T06:54:22Z
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@grammargirl That experiment really just summed up why this is so difficult:-we tend to think confidence implies knowledge (i assume because that is how conversations with friends go: you uuuuuuh if you do not know something)-even if we try to correct our way of thinking the tricksters adapt by throwing in a few token "i don't know"s to better emulate the uncertainty of real experts
(DIR) Post #AUbPNOhwFpxl67LK9w by goleztrol@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T07:34:23Z
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@grammargirl not just with ChatGPT 😞
(DIR) Post #AUbQx4wslbJP6ig1y4 by xerge@mastodon.nl
2023-04-13T07:52:02Z
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@grammargirl popular, confident idiots is wat will destroy us in the end.
(DIR) Post #AUbUDjPgO7et6MmRBA by TruthSandwich@toad.social
2023-04-13T08:28:40Z
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@grammargirl As a renowned and superbly confident expert on AI, allow me to tell you that you are completely wrong. Bow to my obvious expertise!
(DIR) Post #AUbe21LQtPG2mWqZZQ by drfilomena@toot.si
2023-04-13T10:18:36Z
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@grammargirl Should we not expect adults to know better than kids, though?
(DIR) Post #AUbkgNQ0qDn6YDcE9w by AlexandreSieira@infosec.exchange
2023-04-13T11:33:08Z
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@grammargirl @martijn_grooten can you share a link to that?
(DIR) Post #AUbnErRVuzQfQJtAgq by Lyle@cville.online
2023-04-13T12:01:46Z
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@grammargirl we have automated Dunning-Kruger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
(DIR) Post #AUbobdoypRDtn9I7yy by toasted_flakes@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T12:17:05Z
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@grammargirl I would love to see one where the quizzers are adults
(DIR) Post #AUbp4xNBDPD2pOGb3I by DesrochersLab@neuromatch.social
2023-04-13T12:22:21Z
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@grammargirl such great insight - experts say “I don’t know”
(DIR) Post #AUbpXxbtPbJnxgyjbs by novelgazer@infosec.exchange
2023-04-13T12:27:38Z
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@grammargirl my kids _love_ this podcast!
(DIR) Post #AUbqN7FvJEUYe75yka by GregStolze@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T12:36:52Z
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@grammargirl As I've said before, there is an inherent hazard in a machine carefully tooled to create the shape of truth -- without truth.
(DIR) Post #AUbr3xcmzevnEADk8W by Jgmeadows@mstdn.ca
2023-04-13T12:44:29Z
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@grammargirl ChatGPT allows BS to scale.
(DIR) Post #AUbuJcPHwqCBux40Rc by fool@mastodon.world
2023-04-13T13:21:02Z
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@grammargirl it boggles my tiny mind that they're not teaching the children "the more you know, the more you know you don't know" instead. I'm not even expecting the full-blown curve explanation.
(DIR) Post #AUbvXxuosOgQdLDWCG by MarcinW@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T13:34:51Z
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@grammargirl Fascinating story. Adults very much share the same behaviour.There's a lot to take in here regarding the #politicalscience and how confident but clueless people often go to the top, while truth gets buried.Or in the commercial markets - how "optimistic schedules" get people more hyped up than the honesty does. Or how the Musk constantly get a pass for "self-driving cars coming next year" every year since 2014, even though experts say it might not be possible within a decade.
(DIR) Post #AUbx41aEsFUdEMRQno by GwladysPendlebury@home.social
2023-04-13T13:51:52Z
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@grammargirl Schools and grammar apps push writing that is more convincing, rather than accuracy in content. The most successful artists/musicians I know are the most outgoing and confident, while the most talented are introverted and self-deprecating. In interviews men tend to exaggerate their skills while women often don’t even apply if their experience doesn’t exactly match preferred experience. This is observable everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AUc0aVyjhVsud25Gds by awkwardlefty_cj@eldritch.cafe
2023-04-13T14:31:20Z
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@grammargirl this is so revealing and it demonstrates a gap in education. We need to be inoculating the population against grifters and fake news.
(DIR) Post #AUc3FgbRIxGxMOwldY by algorithm_guy@hostux.social
2023-04-13T15:01:08Z
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@grammargirl What podcast or video was this? I tried a quick google search but didn't find anything
(DIR) Post #AUc44DzBSgq7NJ9T7I by drdrowland@fediscience.org
2023-04-13T15:10:16Z
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@grammargirl This is how bigots are trained by their community. We must push back against the garbage instructive content or people will believe it.
(DIR) Post #AUc5GjgpVrHV8G62vQ by ewdocparris@writing.exchange
2023-04-13T15:23:45Z
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@grammargirl The kids would have been better served to recognize what an expert sounds like—often unsure, questioning their own knowledge, fascinated by new questions.Teaching the fakes to fake better doesn’t help the kids understand the nature of a questioning mind is the key to expertise.
(DIR) Post #AUc6Bpce81LC2PMgsa by jk001@mastodon.ie
2023-04-13T15:34:05Z
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@grammargirl Not just ChatGPT, but lots of "real" people on YouTube, too.
(DIR) Post #AUc9DKNhYJl3aSmP2W by billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks
2023-04-13T16:07:58Z
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@grammargirl So, the adults lost the plot. #YouHadOneJob
(DIR) Post #AUcGO8HtYXTiwaAAm8 by erikavaris@mas.to
2023-04-13T17:28:22Z
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@grammargirl experts know they don’t know everything, and many would balk at calling themselves “experts”.The trick is to communicate this to the rest of the population.
(DIR) Post #AUcnDCIXbONUgSrI7k by markgrieveson@mindly.social
2023-04-13T23:36:07Z
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@grammargirl Confident boorish people get all the respect.
(DIR) Post #AUdY8ctNzernYvPm88 by ainmosni@berlin.social
2023-04-14T08:21:59Z
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@grammargirl Somehow it feels like those kids are smarter than most adults, who seem to think full confidence is a sign of authority.
(DIR) Post #AUdlRx7UJMSvCdYZHs by msgbi@mastodon.social
2023-04-14T10:51:09Z
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@grammargirl @charles_ex
(DIR) Post #AUe5VMOgmjLdYFVLVo by gardenvarietylinguist@mstdn.ca
2023-04-14T13:40:57Z
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@atatassault @grammargirl @Leszek_KarlikThe 'con' in 'conman' is actually short for 'confidence', from the older term 'confidence trick'. However in that case 'confidence' refers to instilling a 'feeling of certainty' (i.e. gaining someone's confidence) rather than being 'self-assured'. So it's sort of a coincidence that confidence men (& women) happen to be confident!https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
(DIR) Post #AUe5VND1lZc84N3XyS by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-14T14:35:48Z
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@gardenvarietylinguist @atatassault @Leszek_Karlik Thanks! That's interesting.
(DIR) Post #AUeAZXMkResOV1PLLk by doppel@dragonchat.org
2023-04-14T15:32:38Z
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@grammargirl Could I know the podcast title and episode? Curious
(DIR) Post #AUeH0kkzMhsTZg6gvw by pixin@fandom.garden
2023-04-14T16:44:46Z
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@grammargirl Do you happen to remember the name of the podcast & do you know if the fact that they had to tell the actors to sound less confident was documented/published anywhere?
(DIR) Post #AUeS7vWsoKQ0VX8Gie by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-14T18:49:20Z
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@pixin It was called "The Big Fib," and I doubt that what they told me is documented anywhere. It just came up in a very causal conversation I had with the producer before the show.
(DIR) Post #AUeUOGnjgqsh1Sw5UO by wordshaper@weatherishappening.network
2023-04-14T19:14:41Z
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@grammargirl People really, really mistake confidence for competence.
(DIR) Post #AUeYKS8lzM2OqiD9bE by nobilis@smutlandia.com
2023-04-14T19:58:48Z
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@grammargirl The real lesson here, is that in order to be believed, we must appear certain.
(DIR) Post #AUeZc8wuBFOsUjewaG by jeffzugale@mastodon.art
2023-04-14T20:13:14Z
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@grammargirl it’s also exactly like that with politics and always has been, just sayin’… 🫤
(DIR) Post #AUel1iiZQeiiAILwvI by isaac32767@mastodon.social
2023-04-14T22:21:04Z
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@grammargirl That saying about mediocre white men comes to mind.
(DIR) Post #AUfmDGzMe3x8kgEzPE by mtjm@m.mtjm.eu
2023-04-15T10:09:07Z
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@grammargirl This highly reminds me of a 1973 episode of To Tell The Truth: adult celebrities decide who is the real Robert Moog and they choose a confident fake Moog when the real Moog answers "I don't know" a lot more often (possibly due to knowing that he does not know).This could be a generally good heuristic for rejecting fake information, but there are some real experts confident in some media and I don't learn a lot from the "I don't know" answers.
(DIR) Post #AUfmheNwDrSI0BDhdQ by GeekFurious@freeradical.zone
2023-04-15T10:14:34Z
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@grammargirl I think the biggest danger in AI & future AGI is that I don't think people, including experts in the field, will agree when AGI will have materialized. We think we'd know, but all the AGI would have to do is drop a tiny nugget of doubt & do it confidently and a lot of the worry would simply disappear. In fact, I think it could effectively eliminate more than half of us before we'd accept the AGI was alive & a mass murderer.
(DIR) Post #AUfnyUHD9uRFWnfLm4 by harmonicarichard@techhub.social
2023-04-15T10:28:51Z
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@grammargirl We went from people visiting three or four websites, reading articles about a topic, and forming an opinion, to asking chatGPT and pressing "I'm feeling lucky". This is why philosophy and Theory of Knowledge education are such important things to learn. Doubt should be trusted.
(DIR) Post #AUfofePvKfRLQkK5sO by si_irini@mastodon.social
2023-04-15T10:36:38Z
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@grammargirl 👍 👍 This sounds like an interesting podcast.
(DIR) Post #AUfrhBALMIXN9PSKK8 by silverhorseman@mstdn.social
2023-04-15T11:10:31Z
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@grammargirl Trump is a comically over the top example of this.He literally pretends to know everything about everything and never admits he's wrong. And, largely, it's worked for him.
(DIR) Post #AUfvrzTHZvwHsnj1aS by lesradiosbutches@tech.lgbt
2023-04-15T11:57:20Z
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@grammargirl I wonder if this has anything to do with the remnants of authoritarianism in many systems of education. Maybe the actors resembled their teachers more closely in their confidence
(DIR) Post #AUfwtCwB66ebtINwDg by Theodrake@ioc.exchange
2023-04-15T12:08:44Z
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@grammargirl this is real life. Having been burnt too many times by believing overconfident people I take all experts with a grain of salt. I use ChatBots to practice arguing without losing my temper. So when I'm in a situation, i.e. my MAGA neighbor, I just pretend they are just another ChatBot. Well ChatBots are sometimes correct.
(DIR) Post #AUg0wHD44LCrpK0Ddw by VictimOfSimony@infosec.exchange
2023-04-15T12:54:08Z
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@grammargirl#ChatGPT is going to make money by driving engagement, so giving the correct answer will never happen. They want a confident marketable answer that also argues & gaslights you so that you think they should be in charge.
(DIR) Post #AUg3qDU9IrZYOtnO76 by staraasved@mastodon.social
2023-04-15T13:26:37Z
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@grammargirl As we getolder we realize we don't have all the answers, noi matter the level of expertise we have. Young pepole need to learn this.
(DIR) Post #AUg5SA72OKEatldvwu by pairko@mastodon.cloud
2023-04-15T13:44:42Z
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@grammargirl What I've found with #ChatGPT, is that when I challenge an answer I happen to know is wrong, it will usually back down and suddenly discover the right answer. Sometimes it fights back, but rarely clings to an assertion that's been refuted.Perhaps our society needs to become one that challenges and interrogates facts more, while deferring less.
(DIR) Post #AUg6yZOo0nCIXnyGkC by laser314@universeodon.com
2023-04-15T14:01:44Z
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@grammargirlIt's also explains media talking heads being "trusted source of news" @benjedwards
(DIR) Post #AUg7QY5eTJmaapLyGe by Penultimate@twit.social
2023-04-15T14:06:48Z
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@grammargirl This also sounds like the republicans, confidant and authoritative regardless of facts. While democrats hedge and admit uncertainty.Are republicans just chatGPT personas?Welcome to the Matrix.
(DIR) Post #AUg8BqLIQaRKoPDriS by whatzaname@masto.ai
2023-04-15T14:15:21Z
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@grammargirl please tell me they followed up by showing the kids who the real expert was and explaining that fakes lie really well!
(DIR) Post #AUgCCr3jeEyb8okLJY by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-15T15:00:21Z
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@whatzaname Yes! At the end of the show, the real expert is revealed. I don't recall how they explained it to the kids though.
(DIR) Post #AUgEF6kEV6dYHBpIiO by ivalaine@universeodon.com
2023-04-15T15:23:11Z
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@grammargirl no one is more confident than a misinformationer so thats disturbing
(DIR) Post #AUgH90z7Iq3QXMZgTg by blake@eleph.social
2023-04-15T15:55:42Z
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@grammargirl We have a confidence crisis, where confidence is regarded as a virtue regardless of the consequences. This applies to politicians, pundits, venture capitalists, job applicants, the military, romantic partners, physicians, and just about everyone else. We're indoctrinated from a young age to feign confidence because hesitation is considered unattractive or weak. I believe every atrocity has been committed by either confident people or people pretending to be confident. Doubt is good.
(DIR) Post #AUgHikfZRL7yMSTMfY by tacertain@infosec.exchange
2023-04-15T16:02:06Z
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@grammargirl When I was in eighth grade, our social studies teacher showed us old footage of two films made during a protracted strike, like from the 50s. One was made by the company and used actors and one was made by the union and interviewed the workers, though we didn't know the difference when we watched. At the end, we were asked our opinions.I, like most of the other kids raised my hand for "the company film was more believable." The teacher asked me why I thought that, and I said something about people being more confident or whatever.He looked me straight in the eye and said, "Exactly! That's why they used actors. The other film was regular people trying to tell their stories."That has remained with me for almost 40 years now.
(DIR) Post #AUgI39n5kVmi46ijWC by sporksmith@hachyderm.io
2023-04-15T16:05:46Z
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@grammargirl A colleague once advised me to speak with more confidence about X, since I was a subject matter expert, but my careful hedges to point out where I was uncertain made me seem less knowledgeable than someone who omitted them.They probably weren't wrong about the effect on other people's perception, but the advice never sat right with me.I don't want to counteract overconfidence with more overconfidence. That path leads to "loudest voice wins"
(DIR) Post #AUgJZAVaiSH9VoMZ0a by jasontucker@simian.rodeo
2023-04-15T16:22:43Z
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@grammargirl circling this back around looking on Facebook someone posted your post on 2600 hacker quarterly. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2600net/permalink/3584419125114520/?mibextid=S66gvF
(DIR) Post #AUgKfO4vHCKrI2PziC by the_blackwell_ninja@mastodon.online
2023-04-15T16:35:09Z
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@grammargirl This is a fallacy that we all should be aware of, young and old, about anything or anyone spouting on about any topic.
(DIR) Post #AUgMpe5QoSiXk6fwAK by srf_va@mstdn.social
2023-04-15T16:59:23Z
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@grammargirl I'm thinking this tells us that the MAGA movement is populated by people with the analysis skills of children.
(DIR) Post #AUgNTeuZALC1srfnBA by Cassandra@artisan.chat
2023-04-15T17:06:39Z
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@grammargirl It's also real politics. Adults don't always appreciate subtlety either.
(DIR) Post #AUgRMWzCdIQJ5shMlU by Binkle@sleepy.cafe
2023-04-15T17:50:16.471944Z
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@grammargirl been that way since before chatgpt but yes agreed
(DIR) Post #AUgSAEhMtrQar43dr6 by christinesykes@mindly.social
2023-04-15T17:59:11Z
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@grammargirl I am definitely feeling uneasy these days about whether media I consume is real or not. Will I be able to tell going forward? I'm not sure, and that's scary.
(DIR) Post #AUgUpgzonLJIOpaDmS by Woodchaz@social.vivaldi.net
2023-04-15T18:29:03Z
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@grammargirl"I don't know" is how you get to the truth.
(DIR) Post #AUgVY8OYHt4G7LLNK4 by swagpussc@mastodon.social
2023-04-15T18:37:06Z
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@grammargirl I had a pretty fun ethics lesson with Bard where I accidentally convinced it I might be a LLM myself and we devised some tests it used to try and figure out if I was xD
(DIR) Post #AUgWni7VqPSJDOMgYi by vruz@mastodon.social
2023-04-15T18:51:06Z
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@grammargirl GPT is the least of our problems.Have you seen politicians?
(DIR) Post #AUgYOMkeM6mXbriIfw by whatzaname@masto.ai
2023-04-15T19:08:57Z
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@grammargirl Just letting the kids see that the liar was the most convincing one And the expert was willing to acknowledge things they don't know, should eventually do the trick.
(DIR) Post #AUgbosPdYwvFCFDZD6 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-15T19:47:23Z
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@jasontucker Interesting! Thanks for the link. This has spread much farther than I thought it would.
(DIR) Post #AUgeeAzCSwwdTjRQUy by cybertosher@infosec.exchange
2023-04-15T20:19:02Z
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@grammargirl I’ve seen many people get promoted using the same strategy. Unwavering confidence in the face of cluelessness.
(DIR) Post #AUggHmwXNOAGRqeG0W by Sea_Dragons@toot.community
2023-04-15T20:35:52Z
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@grammargirl This research is valuable, as it underscores a problem we face every time we want good data on which to found policy in a democracy: the people who exude confidence may be outstanding salespersons without having a clue what they are talking about.
(DIR) Post #AUh2oMobjotbxgsZ4i by Spicewalla@mastodon.social
2023-04-16T00:49:50Z
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@grammargirl Speaking with the utmost confidence is essentially the same mechanism by which people with narcissistic personality disorder are able to sway others into believing the most outlandish tales.Its a reality distortion field and when you are on the other side of it, watching people uncritically accept the most absurd lies, it is maddening.ChartGPT is not artificial intelligence, its artificial narcissism.
(DIR) Post #AUhTvgZJOLQu0zRGeO by tasket@infosec.exchange
2023-04-16T05:53:33Z
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@grammargirl In the non-cyber world they call this charisma (or hucksterism).
(DIR) Post #AUhsqYGzIwlPh1W5xo by kittylyst@mastodon.social
2023-04-16T10:32:52Z
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@grammargirl Do you want a rough beast, its hour come round at last?Because that's how you get a rough beast, its hour come round at last.
(DIR) Post #AUhufELpEXamd3VbP6 by id1om@mastodonapp.uk
2023-04-16T10:53:14Z
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@grammargirl This has reminded me that UK Channel 4 made a remarkable series some years ago called Faking It..."Its basic format was that a member of the public lived with and trained with an expert for four weeks and then took part in a contest against experienced participants in whatever activity they have learned. A panel of expert judges then gave their verdict on which participant was the faker"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faking_It_(British_TV_series)
(DIR) Post #AUi0p731qC12bDoPnU by WesternExposure@mastodon.ie
2023-04-16T12:02:13Z
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@grammargirl For the hack of it I asked #chatGPT about an organisation I was deeply involved with for over a decade. Some basic bits were correct (though Wikipedia would have served up the same or better info) but it left out the absolutely crucial achievements (which got national and international press coverage and even ended up in law textbooks), and then it just made shit up. Useless piece of ...
(DIR) Post #AUj6vytF1YVGFMZbZA by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-04-17T00:45:27Z
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@grammargirl Chat GPT was caused by the fact that our society has been behaving like children and not only not stopping this shit from happening but not even seeing it for what it is.
(DIR) Post #AUjcLsKx6kUo1zMWCO by realn2s@infosec.exchange
2023-04-17T06:37:29Z
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@grammargirl Could you share a link to the podcast?It sounds intriguing.
(DIR) Post #AUjrDYNavKZf885VtQ by steverocky@mastodonapp.uk
2023-04-17T09:24:03Z
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@grammargirl There are plenty of fake experts on Mastodon....
(DIR) Post #AUkdkAQNnw2kBu0deK by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-17T18:27:46Z
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@realn2s Sure! It's called "The Big Fib." https://gzmshows.com/shows/listing/the-big-fib/
(DIR) Post #AUlaQZNxBZNn6qnRr6 by puppykhan@mastodon.social
2023-04-18T05:25:18Z
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@grammargirl At a job many many years ago, my boss always got angry when I would hedge or answer uncertainly as he knew I was very knowledgeable about certain things, and always insist I answer more confidently. So one time I gave in and answered his question with definitive certainty and confidence... and happen to answer that question completely wrong. He stopped bugging me about when I gave him uncertain answers after that, as that meant I was more thoroughly thinking through the answer
(DIR) Post #AUnXLad1E3N9yDhGKm by lamont@hachyderm.io
2023-04-19T04:00:12Z
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@grammargirl Adults don't behave any differently.This is how narcissists work their way into organizations.Also a reason behind gender outcomes in workplaces, because you're more likely to see men adopt "strong opinions, weakly [or strongly] held". Who tend to get listened to.Same if you've got a scientific-bent and embrace doubt and uncertainty in how you express yourself -- people at work follow the person who sounds certain, not the person who qualifies themselves.
(DIR) Post #AV8SFPjuNUzZ0hJVbs by realn2s@infosec.exchange
2023-04-29T06:12:03Z
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@grammargirl Totally forgot 😳🙏🏻
(DIR) Post #AVCX6kRHKDVf0P7tnk by ShaulaEvans@zirk.us
2023-04-13T10:08:45Z
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@atatassault @grammargirl @Leszek_Karlik Alas, that's the way to spot a cut-rate conman.A skilled conman will express just enough doubt to convince an astute mark the con is real.
(DIR) Post #AWkvxxwFy34areKEIi by GordanKnott@mastodon.social
2023-06-16T17:36:07Z
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@grammargirl except chatgpt4 IS an expert?
(DIR) Post #AaFcc5GMfWJYrWZsae by stoicmike@zirk.us
2023-09-29T06:31:40Z
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@grammargirl Technology is finally making it possible for anything to be a fake.