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(DIR) Post #AUUSafTk9QRYdI0GIa by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T22:20:50Z
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@adam @Johncdvorak i think you two need to drop the Transgendered topic on the show. Neither of you are qualified to discuss the topic and while I agree with most of your points the times you get it wrong is horribly embarrassing.
(DIR) Post #AUUSag7nkUUCdWkFjk by RadarRider@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T23:07:24Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak With many transgender folk forcefully shouting for attention, I would posit that this does open the door for the rest of the world to also share their opinions. We are all free to have opinions, and to discuss them. And if a trans person disagrees with mine, I will not get 30 fellows and try to shout them down.#NAS is a place for open discussion, not for snowflake sensitivities. I feel it's better to discuss, rather than follow some organization's script.
(DIR) Post #AUUWSxY7Ts4iB4d7Ts by adam@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T23:50:49Z
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@ironhide1975 @Johncdvorak I am merely quoting doctors and therapists from the documentary. I clearly stated my source.
(DIR) Post #AUUZdwbFeQKaHT1ZS4 by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T00:26:22Z
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@adam @Johncdvorak You guys do you.@ironhide1975 The trope of "not being qualified to speak on..." is part of your brainwashing. Anyone with half a brain can talk on any topic they wish. If you're an expert, your job is to elucidate not tell someone to shut up. Which is exactly what that phrase is designed to do.It sounds like you're incapable of understanding such a concept.Perhaps you are limited by your education, my apologies in advance.
(DIR) Post #AUUg1TiFIu3zMbtvV2 by adam@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T01:37:54Z
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@Fox @Johncdvorak @ironhide1975 Thank you @Fox We need to move beyond the programming. We are all susceptible to it from time to time.
(DIR) Post #AUVPSpmRrOqbYtHk9o by Alphakilopapa@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T10:07:11Z
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@ironhide1975 So if you dont own a firearm gun control opinions from you are out unless you're a gun expert right? Let's apply this to every journalist out there! Your programming is showing.
(DIR) Post #AUVRhLtpRHaf8imtyS by chromeratt@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T10:32:13Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak how did that policy of "you're not a doctor", "you're not a virologist" and "trust the experts" work in 2020? I'd like to hear less because it only extends and aggravates my uncertainty on the topic. But if that uncertainty resolved it would turn into "go along to get along" acceptance, which is not where I want to be either. NAS does not specify behavior, but provides information and entertainment by pointing at the dubious and overblown.'nuff said
(DIR) Post #AUVX2I3rP73F5VHdDs by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T11:32:02Z
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@RadarRider @adam @Johncdvorak discussion is fine if you have some basis and knowledge of the topic. Adam gets points because his daughter is gay but John clearly demonstrates he doesn’t know a thing about the topic. The whole “don’t teach homosexuality in 2nd grade” is nonsense. You can educate children about love in a clinical way.
(DIR) Post #AUVXDsDxI9kWQjWpdo by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T11:34:07Z
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@Fox @adam @Johncdvorak yes anyone with a brain can do whatever they want and when they make illogical statements we can call them out for their errors. It’s a novel concept.
(DIR) Post #AUVeqAAthQ9gmpIrEe by chromeratt@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T12:59:29Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak all other comments aside, if anyone here is under, mis or malinformed we would be better served by talking about it than being told to keep quiet and not ask questions. Help us understand, don't tell us we have no right to speak because we don't understand. Thanks and I genuinely hope to see you around these parts again
(DIR) Post #AUVfOkXizQLHQUTMTg by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T13:05:43Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak I disagree. Maybe back in the day, when it was a fringe thing, but now that it's in everyone's face all the time, not only are we ALL qualified to have an opinion, but we're dang near required to. All these guys do is deconstruct other people's stuff. If they get a fact or a statistic wrong, they're just quoting someone else. If they have an opinion on the matter that you disagree with, fine, but it's just an opinion, and by definition cannot be wrong.
(DIR) Post #AUVfcyLqRmuOJ3hKPg by adam@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T13:08:10Z
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@ironhide1975 @RadarRider @Johncdvorak That's an opinion. Not the same as getting facts "embarrassingly wrong". And please explain how my daughter gives me "points" for anything. Are these LGBTQ points? How many did I get? Is there a leader board somewhere? Can I redeem them for valuable prizes?
(DIR) Post #AUVfvnUN3e8i7Rf7Ds by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T13:11:40Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak Of course. But you're comparing apples to oranges. You didn't call the specific illogical statement, advise a better path... nor did you add anything of substance to the conversation.Again your words, "Neither of you are qualified to discuss the topic". Are designed to stop conversation.The only thing novel here is your lack of perception.Try again?
(DIR) Post #AUVgdo4WFdz6fXYVJA by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T13:19:39Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak Like, you could say that having an opinion that it would be nice to own slaves is wrong, but technically it isn't. Not in the sense of correct vs. incorrect. Now, you could be using the term "wrong" in the sense of moral vs. immoral, but then you're just reflecting a difference of values, not a factual error. People are allowed to have whatever opinions they have. No wrong or right to it.
(DIR) Post #AUWFQ4j12FRqewgXya by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:49:21Z
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@chromeratt @adam @Johncdvorak actually that is a very good point. I think John should do one of his famous interviews with an actual trans person.
(DIR) Post #AUWFYtzEKWR5xdTigy by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:50:56Z
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@Vox @adam @Johncdvorak Opinions can absolutely be wrong. So you think the opinion that senators had in the 60’s to segregate blacks and white wasn’t wrong? Not every opinion is equally substantial.
(DIR) Post #AUWFmzKhFXKQb1Egr2 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:53:22Z
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@adam @RadarRider @Johncdvorak When John says it wrong to talk about homosexually in 2nd grade I absolutely cringe at that logic. You can discuss these things in a clinical way without trying to force children to become trans. It would have been extremely helpful if just one of MY teachers had told me about this when I was young. Yes you get to proceed to the bonus round and spin the wheel for a new car 🤣
(DIR) Post #AUWFvdWFin3PY4lUHY by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:55:03Z
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@Fox @adam @Johncdvorak just clarified below for your assistance. Please see other comments in the thread.
(DIR) Post #AUWG8AiW7PXnz7Tkm0 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:57:19Z
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@Vox @adam @Johncdvorak you are conflating the word and terminology in terms that no one thinks in. An opinion may be perceived as correct to an individual but morally wrong to a society as a whole. There is where facts come into play to help define if the opinion is wrong or not.
(DIR) Post #AUWJr2yk2HeOsX9pLM by Wagair@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T10:20:52Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak is this the test now? How does someone get qualified to discuss a particular topic? As prominent as the transgender issue has become over the last few years, you would have to be deaf, blind and mute to not form a coherent opinion on the topic. You did not critique what they may have overlooked or got wrong. For all intents and purposes, you gave them a “Shut up slave”.
(DIR) Post #AUWJr3zqFg7o2EgDhI by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T11:36:51Z
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@Wagair @adam @Johncdvorak no I just said it was probably wise not to discuss it without some knowledge of the subject. Like I said I agree with most of it but the errors they made sometimes are really bad.
(DIR) Post #AUWJr4WoH6UpgU6Y5I by Wagair@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T11:41:04Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak They are sharing an opinion based on what they pick up from media sources. You are claiming they are making errors. What are those errors? Is this something you are qualified to talk about? How do you get to become qualified to have an opinion on a topic?
(DIR) Post #AUWJr55CDG0BP8C0gK by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T19:47:04Z
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@Wagair @adam @Johncdvorak I’ve sucked cock since 14 years old. Very qualified.
(DIR) Post #AUWJr5fM2ovRDH6t2e by Wagair@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T20:02:33Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak so sucking dick makes you qualified to discuss trans issues?! Are trans women who don’t suck dick unqualified to discuss trans issues? I know some trans people that would take exception to this idea.
(DIR) Post #AUWJr6GZoQhR4iWc3k by adam@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T20:38:53Z
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@Wagair @ironhide1975 @Johncdvorak I'm blocking both of you since you don't seem to understand how rude it is to continue to clog up my timeline with this drivel
(DIR) Post #AUWiNo8Oe43jIPpOD2 by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T01:13:53Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak Again, I respectfully disagree. The opinions those politicians (or anyone else) had were neither right nor wrong, FACTUALLY. When you start attaching right/wrong to values, you begin to delve into an area of philosophy known as "ethics". And it's a sticky business, because no two humans share precisely the same values. TBC because CHARACTER LIMITS SUCK A SATCHEL OF RICHARDS
(DIR) Post #AUWj6LhdCTmW9EY0x6 by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T01:21:56Z
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@ironhide1975 @adam @Johncdvorak People for thousand of years have attempted to codify morality. The Ten Commandments and whatnot. But it's all subject to the values of each individual. Nobody can dictate what another person values in his/her heart. You can say some of opinions carry more weight than others, but that simply means that some people's values align more with yours than others. Not everyone values human life, much less human happiness. They aren't wrong, simply misaligned with you
(DIR) Post #AUWlyuvwd2QQxbOGno by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T01:54:12Z
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@ironhide1975 I use words very precisely on purpose. You do not. Your glaring misuse of the word "conflating" highlights that. Have your ever looked it up?If I capitulated to common usage, I'd be one of those morons who says "literally" when s/he means "figuratively" and "random" when s/he means "specific". You're engaging in the logical fallacy of 'argumentum ad populum'. 500 years ago everybody thought the earth was the center of the universe. That didn't make it true.
(DIR) Post #AUXTgXTFWJLixj10PA by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T10:03:54Z
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@Vox You are attempting validate any opinion which is illogical. There has to be some fundamental basis for determining right and wrong otherwise there is no point to existence. There ARE provable rules and functions in the Universe and these are regardless of individuals feelings or opinions.
(DIR) Post #AUXTqf8jrS5bdyFUci by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T10:05:44Z
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@Vox you are correct that opinion is not fact. However the scientific method has been pretty sound for several thousand years now. We had methods to determine what is true or what is false beyond the comprehension of the populace.
(DIR) Post #AUXYJ2wVMADNOKJgcy by ironhide1975@podcastindex.social
2023-04-11T10:55:30Z
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@adam @ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com @Johncdvorak My apologies if there was a plethera of stuff sent you way. This was obviously not my intention as I wanted to have a serious discussion on this topic to help the best Podcast in the Universe. Unforunately when you're replying from your phone while on the stool, the reply mechanics just continues to copy everyone in the thread. I went back through and removed you from more recent threads after I saw your request. Was not my intention to cause you constrination.
(DIR) Post #AUXoeHvCSVJHCBrBpo by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T13:58:48Z
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@ironhide1975 That particular debate, Objectivism vs. Moral Relativism has been raging among philosophers for centuries. I see that you lean toward the former, and there's nothing wrong with that. Either side is certainly defensible. For me, it's more important to keep my mind open to both possibilities than to proclaim a hard-and-fast preference for one or the other. I mostly just like the discussion.
(DIR) Post #AUY7tKk69QVzPwYHVA by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T17:34:24Z
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@Vox @ironhide1975 Hello Vox!Vox is correct however. A lot of people have a hard time being objective about this.We have to talk about this, that's my point. John and Adam both have that right. You however don't have the right to tell them to just shut up in some pseudo-intellectual word vomit because you don't think their opinions are "accurate" or "applicable". Your opinion about their opinion is irrelevant. That's my annoyance regardless.
(DIR) Post #AUYG8foAuW8yjFHgps by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T19:06:50Z
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@Fox @Vox you both are misconstruing my words. Never did I tell them to “shut up”. I simply indicated they don’t seem educated to discuss this topic. Based upon their statements I don’t think they are presenting their opinions in a logical and factual light.
(DIR) Post #AUYGGGCtylBle2T4d6 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T19:08:12Z
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@Vox discussion is essential to determining logic. I always try to have an open mind and all I’m asking John and Adam to do is the same (and possibly restate the way they are saying things)
(DIR) Post #AUYIAapAbyirl6nDlo by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T19:29:35Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox I don't think I misconstrued your words at all. I simply disagreed with your suggestion that they drop the topic from No Agenda (which could well be interpreted as "shut up").I'm curious...what sort of educational criteria do you think qualifies people to talk about this increasingly prevalent topic on a show that highlights current events? I mean, do you need a degree in Gender Studies from a liberal university in order to form a valid opinion in your estimation?
(DIR) Post #AUYQTlGqnN3NIFOKIa by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:02:41Z
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@Vox @Fox well a degree would help. Adam has a daughter who’s Gay so he has some experience. However I don’t think John has even talked to a Trans person. The point I made (once again) is that they are coming across really uneducated about the topic and saying cringeworthy stuff. A little more research on Trans issues would help.
(DIR) Post #AUYQWauFmpYQ18AlVo by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:03:12Z
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@Vox @Fox in short history will not be kind to the statements they are making today.
(DIR) Post #AUYSnt2Hpn1D4nIsE4 by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:28:44Z
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@ironhide1975 @Vox Right, and Rokos Basilisk will eat your soul.By your definitions, you shouldn't be offended unless your trans. The rest of the conversation would go like this:Are you trans? If not, I don't think you're qualified to complain.If an actual trans person wants to speak up and complain about this and help us understand this nuance issue. I'd be more than happy to listen and ask questions from an actual qualified person.Is this how I play this game?
(DIR) Post #AUYTQ13QTEZqwu1ACu by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:35:38Z
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@Fox @ironhide1975 That's kind of how I interpreted it too...if you have no investment in trans-ness, you aren't qualified to have an opinion. And I would be okay with that, if trans people would stop forcing the issue. Drag queen story hour, queer books in school libraries and so forth are FORCING straight people into confronting it. You can't get all up in a straight person's grill with your issues and then tell them they are not educated enough to have an opinion. That's just fighting dirty
(DIR) Post #AUYTU6USCZWcxzboxc by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:36:21Z
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@Fox @Vox it wouldn’t hurt to have some Trans representation. I can only provide feedback knowing Trans people and having discussions with them. Other than that we have to base stuff on logical facts.
(DIR) Post #AUYTjD4zz6udkNuDs8 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:39:06Z
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@Vox @Fox the drag Queen story hours are a few exceptions of stuff that barely happens but sexual stuff towards children is in inappropriate Secondly when I was the young the library has TONS of adult theme books available for straight kids. Why is it suddenly an issue? Because the media wants to make it an issue.
(DIR) Post #AUYTjxbX0UGg2bTqy0 by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:39:14Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox It might help me understand your point better if you could provide an example or two of the statements made on NA that you consider uneducated and cringeworthy...?
(DIR) Post #AUYToFpvA7pZkGG6KG by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:40:01Z
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@Vox @Fox let me take notes on the next show. The main one thst bothered me last show was John complaining about homosexuality to 2nd graders.
(DIR) Post #AUYU4ZusH16cegMLY0 by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:42:58Z
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@ironhide1975 @Vox The statement "Neither of you are qualified to discuss the topic…".Is neither fact nor logical. It's an opinion of an opinion (no fact there). Logically, if you're talking about qualifications... well this really can't be well defined as anyone can argue that this completely arbitrary since everyone has an opinion about this.Got any more of them facts or logic handy?
(DIR) Post #AUYUC1rImalDLOF17Y by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-11T21:44:18Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox Can you clarify this a bit? Are you saying that John was complaining to second graders about homosexuality? Or that John was complaining about second graders being exposed to a discussion about homosexuality in the classroom? Because I would imagine there are many people who probably don't think sexuality of ANY kind is an appropriate subject to broach in a second grade classroom. Let them be KIDS, for Light's sake!
(DIR) Post #AUYjQP0J1awUUhlSZU by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:34:59Z
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@Fox @Vox Both of them have made statements that are illogical and incorrect with science and facts around Transgender and LGB people. I will give that they do make some good points, but the points they make in error shows their lack of understanding of the community and situation. Simple as that.
(DIR) Post #AUYjf6tQdvKsfTYqTA by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:37:38Z
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@Vox @Fox The later. His statement (as I took it) is that second graders should not be presented with the topic, which is absurd. You don't think the kid with two moms has an understanding of sexuality? What about the kid with two dads. You can talk clinically about this with kids, they're much smarter than people give them credit for. You can simply say 'Some people love women and some people love men." and not get into the actual actions that are taken. It's not rocket science nor complex.
(DIR) Post #AUYk1QoJGracoNoIdc by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:41:40Z
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@Fox @Vox Qualifications exists for a reason, otherwise what is the purpose of getting a degree? Hospital isn't going to hire a kid who worked at McDonalds, they expect a level of competitency. The level of information concerns Trans people from the show is not to the high standards I've come to expect.
(DIR) Post #AUYkMfIyZk41qaHN8y by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:45:31Z
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@Vox @Fox @adam @Johncdvorak at 1:34:39 into the Show John makes the illogical comment. He continues with the falsehood that gay marriage has anything to do with what is going on in the schools right now. This rhetoric is complete BS.
(DIR) Post #AUZjoxrvFCVGjXW0fY by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T12:14:08Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox Given the examples you've provided, I stand by my previous assessment. Because you disagree with the OPINION that discussions of alternative sexuality (or ANY sexuality for that matter) is inappropriate in a primary school classroom setting. I happen to agree with that opinion, but your dissenting opinion is not wrong, it simply does not align with my values as much as John's does. Notwithstanding that these "lessons" strip parents' rights to raise their own children in the
(DIR) Post #AUZkHg5GRkovyNRnai by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T12:19:19Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox manner THEY feel is best, which has always been considered a parent's role up until recently, but it also takes up class time better spent learning to add and subtract and read. Kids are leaving school these days without anywhere near the same knowledge and skills kids had when I graduated. Their time is being spent on indoctrination rather than education. What you keep calling a lack of understanding on their parts is simply misaligned values. There's NO hard evidence
(DIR) Post #AUZkMGW0wAxw7a9AiO by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T12:20:09Z
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@ironhide1975 @Vox Oh of course, a degree. Oh yeah, that'll get you a job... Makes you qualified, you sure about that?Educated idiots exist, a degree doesn't mean that much... a worker at McDonald's can be completely competent at their job...Your standards are relative to you. You expectations are a little high, how do I know? You're "ant fucking".There is literally no standard "level of information" about trans people.What about the 1% of society we should cow-tow too?
(DIR) Post #AUZkPZ0CeyKMKHqA5o by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T12:20:44Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox that this social justice stuff being introduced to young children makes them smarter or better. I'd say the evidence shows the opposite.
(DIR) Post #AUZktWZsEtG1UfoN0a by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:47:40Z
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@Vox @Fox @adam @Johncdvorak at 1:36:00 into the show Adam compares people who support Trans people to people to have Lobotomy.
(DIR) Post #AUZktXHTcm8TfuDByK by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T12:26:09Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox @adam @Johncdvorak I'll give you a point for this observation. The comment that Biden "had the lobotomy" was tactless and unkind. I don't disagree with it, but he could have used nicer words.
(DIR) Post #AUZktXvBF9tXf2mtrE by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T00:49:13Z
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@Vox @Fox @adam @Johncdvorak Now at 1:36:56 into the Show I will agree with Adam that they are politicizing children with downes syndrome. Here's an example of something he identifies correctly.
(DIR) Post #AUZt8xeWekuZRUrK4W by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T13:58:35Z
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@Fox @ironhide1975 Yeah, I just left that point alone. I think upon consideration it should be obvious that there's no way John and Adam could possibly earn degrees in every subject upon which they offer deconstruction and commentary. Nor is it necessary. They are willing to, and often do, incorporate expert reports from producers with boots on the ground regarding a myriad of topics, including transgender issues. It's sufficient for me...
(DIR) Post #AUa30ylbd3pW7h0Gh6 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:49:12Z
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@Vox @Fox misaligned values can cause serious harm to individuals. I will agree with you on the point that kids aren’t learning what they need to. That is a failure I feel of enforcement but then again was a victim of teacher abuse so I’m not sure what the answer is there. In terms of parents wanting to have a say they already do everytime the kid comes home. If they want more control home school your kid as this has shown to be proven to have better outcomes.
(DIR) Post #AUa38qVsCTCqqDOavI by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:50:37Z
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@Vox @Fox (continued) beyond that sexuality exists in society. Denying children a basic logical understanding of this is factually harmful and I have first hand experience so any argue ent against that point is moot.
(DIR) Post #AUa3KbXVhIftsOlhBY by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:52:45Z
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@Fox @Vox I have a degree. I have a job in my field. It’s not rocket science. Not sure where the disconnect is. You train to become skilled in what you want to do. I wouldn’t hire a Plumber to install windows. And no one is asking you cow-tow to anything other than not be a douchebag which apparently is impossible for you to do.
(DIR) Post #AUa3QeOxy7euUUefQm by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:53:50Z
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@Vox @Fox depends on how it is presented. If done with science and facts it can be educational. If it’s done with just emotional and political rhetoric yes I agree it meaniless
(DIR) Post #AUa3SunFzmH5uN62jI by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:54:15Z
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@Vox @Fox @adam @Johncdvorak 🙏🏻
(DIR) Post #AUa3WnjMCHLxA47pbs by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T15:54:57Z
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@Vox @Fox not asking them to earn degrees but a little more research and some kindness would go a long way and wouldn’t muddy the waters with their observations
(DIR) Post #AUa5OfTpBjXHAG6rmy by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:15:53Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox You've said a lot here so it may take a few frames to address it all. First, of course misaligned values can hurt individuals. Imagine all those people who were killed in Maoist China or Stalinist Russia for having opposing values? It's TERRIBLE when people insist upon forcing their values onto others. So, what we have now is a power struggle between those who are trying to force traditional values onto LGBTQ+ people, and those who are trying to force hard left values
(DIR) Post #AUa5qTa91CxgN6KFzU by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:20:55Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox onto conservative people. Each side blames the other for disrupting their peaceful enjoyment of their lives. Hence, Culture Wars. Also, not every parent has the resources, or even the skill and temperament to homeschool. I tried for a year and failed miserably. I just don't have the patience for it. It was horrible for both me and my kiddo. But that doesn't mean I appreciate her being indoctrinated to accept and believe values that contradict mine. It causes problems in
(DIR) Post #AUa6FygAXMBQ3cItNY by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:25:31Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox family life when your kids come home saying they don't like their sex. It wasn't a problem until the school got their claws in her. So, I'm a shite teacher, and that's not good for her, but they are indoctrinating her, so that sucks, too. No wonder parents are pissed! I'm lost with it, honestly. She turned 18 last fall, and I turned loose. Do whatever. You're grown. But I won't be compelled to address a female as "they/them". I changed all those diapers. I know better.
(DIR) Post #AUa6LML7zjoEt51nxA by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:26:30Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox From my vantage point, they did this to my child deliberately. I'm livid.
(DIR) Post #AUa7TsEDPy2u3hQ1AG by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:39:14Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox Again, ALL John and Adam do is deconstruct other people's news segments. articles, and the occasional podcast. They try to ascertain WHY these things are being fed to the public...who could be benefitting from any particular messaging...and they may offer personal commentary, which you are perfectly within your right to disagree with. But when the "news" is presented in such an unprofessional manner, can you really blame them for reacting passionately? They get an opinion.
(DIR) Post #AUa94fWlhZFpKwCowi by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T16:57:06Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox I think, after a couple of days of discussion, what you really want is a gentler touch. More bland language. Something specifically designed to avoid offense. But the right to free speech ALWAYS trumps the right to not be offended. You are free to change the channel. Check out what Dr. Peterson has to say about it. The video's only about 3 minutes, and it says a LOT.We need more "Sticks and stones" philosophy. Weak feelings are a pain in the ass.https://youtu.be/44pERGAaKHw
(DIR) Post #AUaJEeaV39PgrLLp0i by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T18:50:57Z
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@ironhide1975 @Vox Aww! You hurt my feelings! Nobody cares. (Nobody should!)The problem is that you've been asking everyone to cow-tow. You can't see it.By attempting to shut down conversation due to some perceived need defend a tiny minority of people of which you are not a part of. The science isn't settled and this whole trans phenomenon is agenda pushing by progressives with intention, I wonder why... Yet you'd likely never ask that question?Your pseodo-intellectualism is boring.
(DIR) Post #AUaPzu7Bjl9ALrYSC8 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:06:43Z
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@Vox @Fox Actually the majority of us are in the middle. I would argue that both extreme sides tend to propagate their message to add fuel to the fire. But that begs the question, how do we come to absolute truth? We have to start with one basic assumption from the Constitution in that you have the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness AS LONG AS your actions don't take that away from someone else. This is where the finer details get tricky. Thus we have to rely on the scientific method.
(DIR) Post #AUaQEyIqRrRBgUBx2G by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:09:26Z
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@Vox @Fox You are basing your assumption on the belief that all values are equal. They are not. Once again, the people who were for segregation were obviously wrong. This is why we have to logic to come up with laws. If your values are 'I get to kill anyone I want' well obviously your values are wrong. Now I know that is an extreme example, but asking not to teach children basic rules of nature in school is a crime and sorry it's going happen.
(DIR) Post #AUaQFkEaF0Y8LAZE3c by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:09:35Z
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@Vox @Fox .. When they try to put your kids on medicine without your knowledge then yes, that's when you step in. But a basic understanding on sex and sexuality in a clinical fashion should be required by every school district. Sorry.
(DIR) Post #AUaQNhQgYMA5xT1Lrk by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:11:01Z
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@Vox @Fox Yes the pronoun thing is just dumb. I honestly don't know if there were more Trans kids before and now they're just 'open to it' or if the schools are just making it a random fad. I can tell you from my experience, no matter what your child will find her way in the end if you are loving and supportive.
(DIR) Post #AUaQQiQpHcO1w3WbY0 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:11:34Z
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@Vox @Fox Well now I'm curious on the story, did you ever talk to the teacher? What did they say?
(DIR) Post #AUaQWvlibqrJ2LGE40 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:12:41Z
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@Vox @Fox Yeah I don't think they can hide behind the 'we just deconstruct news' and then turn around have a jingle that says 'word do matter.' I come to them for news and opinion but mostly news. I expect them to behave like adults and keep their tempers to a minimum.
(DIR) Post #AUaQd3dMHPxdASGun2 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:13:48Z
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@Vox @Fox I have followed Petersen for several years. I agree with a lot he says, but also disagree with his religious propaganda. As with Adam, it throws a lot of what he says into question if he believes in a magical Santa Clause in the sky, so I take it with a grain of salt.
(DIR) Post #AUaQh7GihvaPbDcOUS by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T20:14:32Z
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@Fox @Vox 1) Never asked anyone to cow-tow, 2) Never asked to shut-down the conversions and 3) Yes the Science isn't settles, 4) Don't be a douchebag.
(DIR) Post #AUagd6cImuUzgZp3xI by Vox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-12T23:13:05Z
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@ironhide1975 @Fox Not to be "ant fucking", but the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness quote is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The Constitution provides, in the first amendment of the Bill of Right for no establishment of religion, for freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom to petition the government for redress of grievances. Just so you'll know for next time.The story about the teacher is kinda long. Next time....
(DIR) Post #AUamAbT7bMSahMJwuW by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-13T00:15:10Z
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@ironhide1975 @Vox Aww.Look buddy, all opinions and values are actually equal. YOU don't have to agree with them nor participate in them. Multiple cannibalistic tribes prove this to be true, mortals are relative to perspective. This is actually how it is. I know you're not going to eat anyone, but that probability is never zero.Is that wrong? Depends. Is it immoral? Possibly.But pushing a set of values against another is actually wrong. Even for children, it causes harm. Parents job.
(DIR) Post #AUamUXmL1yF12sokSm by Fox@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-13T00:18:46Z
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@Vox I wouldn't feed this troll. He's just looking for some more ammo.@ironhide1975 The possibility of you being completely be wrong just can't sit with your psyche, it's a human thing, I understand.
(DIR) Post #AUaoiVTIbZeHqvhKNc by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-13T00:43:42Z
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@Vox @Fox correct me if I’m wrong but the constitution references the Declaration of Independence?
(DIR) Post #AUaoszmalPIekziuh6 by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-13T00:45:36Z
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@Fox @Vox Your delirious. There are obviously logical actions that can propagate a society forward or backwards. Eating people obviously does not help society. You attempting to validate that all ideas are equal. This is scientifically incorrect. This is basically philosophy 101.
(DIR) Post #AUap0G5GYRcTLDvBHE by ironhide1975@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-13T00:46:55Z
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@Fox @Vox I’ll admit I’m wrong if a good argument or fact is presented. You have yet to make your case. D- for you