Post AUa4mfRYsLpc2yvnAO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
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(DIR) Post #AUZzHxqJuy7oMc3I0m by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T14:42:05Z
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Hot Take: Other news organizations should strongly consider whether NPR's exit from #birdsite and the behavior leading up to it means that only public spirited, journalistic response is to suspend operations as well. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/12/1169269161/npr-leaves-twitter-government-funded-media-label #Solidarity #Journalism
(DIR) Post #AUZzHyUNW2ASMqnHRw by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:07:26Z
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@dwl There are good reasons to leave #Twitter, and there are silly reasons to leave #Twitter. This is a silly reason to leave #Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AUZzxcr0LQRhQjEoBk by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T15:14:53Z
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@realcaseyrollins Why is the journalism-hostile behavior of a platform not a good reason for journalism organizations to bail?
(DIR) Post #AUa0P1nBjRuQatWFcW by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:19:54Z
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@dwl Why can #NPR only use #Twitter if the platform doesn't call it "state-affiliated media"? Other than pettiness of course.
(DIR) Post #AUa0pLbagsL1ZWe27c by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-04-12T15:24:40Z
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@realcaseyrollins @dwl NPR is the petty one in this scenario to you?😱😱😱
(DIR) Post #AUa1DsIMnliDuMLepE by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T15:29:04Z
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@realcaseyrollins Because it's not true. And the latest in a line of explicitly hostile behavior towards news organizations. Also, as I've pointed out before news organizations derive minimal ROI from their activity on Twitter. Whereas e.g. Facebook drives back a lot of traffic.
(DIR) Post #AUa1G69cFIi3TBJcLQ by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:29:31Z
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@edgeoforever @dwl #ElonMusk was being a bit petty, yes, because he made the label interpreting their bias as affiliation with the state, which is unproven if not untrue. Thankfully, he's backpedaled on that and appropriately labeled #NPR as "Government-funded Media".However, it's pretty obvious that #NPR's behavior here is wildly disproportionate, petty, and unprofessional. This is something I'd expect with typical petty internet beef/drama--we're seeing this in how #MattTaibbi is responding to #ElonMusk, for example--but not an established, ostensibly reliable and trusted news organization.
(DIR) Post #AUa1dU6vLG7YQjCwSW by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:33:44Z
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@dwl Firstly, you're wrong, it is true. Aren't you a reporter? I would think you would already know this.https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-financeshttps://cpb.org/aboutcpbhttps://cpb.org/appropriation/historyBut even if you're right, #Twitter leadership lying is nothing new, so it's still petty, since #NPR was fine with being in #Twitter until they were the ones being lied about.
(DIR) Post #AUa28hikn17lcOmyZM by NecroBelch@mstdn.party
2023-04-12T15:39:21Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl “ #NPR's behavior here is wildly disproportionate, petty, and unprofessional.” LMAO
(DIR) Post #AUa2OUfP5l9JlVkclc by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:42:14Z
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@NecroBelch @edgeoforever @dwl Well, I mean there are certain people who trust #NPR so much that they don't believe they can do any wrong...
(DIR) Post #AUa30iglPIRwG2cAvQ by NecroBelch@mstdn.party
2023-04-12T15:49:04Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl I’ve never met anyone who believed that. Still, your description is hilariously dense.
(DIR) Post #AUa3AKZbvErQMRqsWO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T15:50:53Z
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@NecroBelch @edgeoforever @dwl Where did I go wrong in what I said?
(DIR) Post #AUa3rMsJEz63x37U4u by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T15:58:36Z
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@realcaseyrollins @NecroBelch @edgeoforever Working on a detailed reply. But you are correct, that NPR is only acting now that their ox has been gored. The "state funded" was false and not apologized for. The "government funded" is misleading at best and dishonest. About 13% of local public radio station revenue comes from state or federal governmental units. For NPR itself the number is even smaller.
(DIR) Post #AUa40TLuWjtUeBJ5WK by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T16:00:16Z
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@realcaseyrollins @NecroBelch @edgeoforever True of most any person or organization with a large fan base.
(DIR) Post #AUa4mfRYsLpc2yvnAO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T16:09:00Z
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@dwl @NecroBelch @edgeoforever Fair enough. And this is where semantics come into play; #NPR is government funded, but saying so could create a perception that the government has a considerable amount of control over the organization. IDK if they do or don't, but I know at least there's no formal association beyond grant money.Are you proposing some sort of objective cutoff, where if an organization doesn't have, say, more than 25% of its funding come from the government, they're let off the hook and don't have such a disclaimer tagged to their account?
(DIR) Post #AUa5EpKViDdMoj3oa8 by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T16:08:52Z
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@realcaseyrollins @NecroBelch @edgeoforever By that measure a vast swath of news organizations would need the label due to various schemes that funnel real and tax expenditures to them. Twitter under Musk is capriciously targeting news organizations for punitive behavior.First example? Nope. But this is a good time for others to think strongly about whether participating (with little ROI) in that platform is a worthwhile from a moral perspective.
(DIR) Post #AUa5EpyvHxxaq3y5ZY by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T16:14:05Z
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@dwl @NecroBelch @edgeoforever I'm not sure about a moral perspective, but #ElonMusk's behaviors to close up the platform (examples are banning links, hiding tweets or not letting users like or retweet them) are going to drive folks off the platform and kill the whole thing. I would be by no means mad if #NPR became a first mover and joined the #Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AUa5i6JtceaFuPjS6q by dwl@newsie.social
2023-04-12T16:19:21Z
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@realcaseyrollins @NecroBelch @edgeoforever I'm saying that there's no rhyme or reason to it at all. Just Elon's fits of pique. And with his attitude towards the press as a civic institution, it's (past) time for organizations to look at the time, effort and promotion they put into that is (a) appropriate and (b) worth it.
(DIR) Post #AUa5xeZqXM8OV2bno8 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T16:22:12Z
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@dwl @NecroBelch @edgeoforever If #NPR should not be listed as government-funded, which criteria should be used when considering whether or not to label an organization as such?
(DIR) Post #AUa6D6HXoUimlhPiHg by ademan@thebag.social
2023-04-12T16:25:00.398839Z
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I think all journos should fall on their swords in protest
(DIR) Post #AUa7Gdj01vqXJQVVfE by brennansv@sfba.social
2023-04-12T16:36:49Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl If NPR is a government funded organization then what about Tesla and SpaceX which have both taken a lot of money from the US government. The reason Elon Musk did this was to strongly suggest that NPR is “fake news” and continue that false talking point. He wants his nonsense to be seen as credible as longtime news organizations. But he had no credibility.
(DIR) Post #AUa94Uvt5poMTesE4W by MissingThePt@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T16:56:32Z
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@dwl @Gargron https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/110186411001402338
(DIR) Post #AUaAZ1eC7pU2a7ibUO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T17:13:46Z
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@brennansv @edgeoforever @dwl > If NPR is a government funded organization then what about Tesla and SpaceX which have both taken a lot of money from the US government.Yes. So if the label isn't limited to political outlets, #Tesla and #SpaceX should be listed as government funded too.But I wonder what folks' barometer is for what should and shouldn't be listed as "government-funded". Is there a certain percentage of funding that must be met before it qualifies? Must it be a news/opinion source? An objective standard would be helpful here.
(DIR) Post #AUaE6IUKpcVYEQfC52 by brennansv@sfba.social
2023-04-12T17:53:23Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl When it comes to social media, what really matters is the reach an account has combined with the information that it is spreading. If it is misleading and harmful that’s a serious problem. Elon Musk has spread harmful misinformation. It should not matter that his account is not a news organizations. Many people still make decisions about their health based on his impulsive remarks. At least with credible news orgs they will post corrections when they learn they made a mistake. I cannot recall when Elon Musk has done this. He typically doubles down or ignores criticism. He’s not accountable. NPR is accountable to both their listeners as well as corporations which fund it.
(DIR) Post #AUaEtwBe1QS1XnajHU by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T18:02:22Z
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@brennansv @edgeoforever @dwl Not much of this is exactly relevant; however I do agree that it might be best to apply that label to all types of organizations, not just news organizations. Any government funded company may technically be susceptible to the whims of the government, to at least some extent.
(DIR) Post #AUaJp0HzqDtqag1s6S by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-04-12T18:57:30Z
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@realcaseyrollins @brennansv @dwl Musk’s companies (Space X, Starlink ) are government funded. Twitter is Saudi funded (mostly) The NPR designation was irrelevant, untrue, meant to demean. Glad they took off finally. Everyone who’s not a Nazi should do the same.
(DIR) Post #AUaKEkprv7JGBu9STo by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T19:02:09Z
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@edgeoforever @brennansv @dwl Well, to be fair, the second designation at least is true; now how relevant it is that <13% of #NPR funding comes from the #USA government is a completely different discussion
(DIR) Post #AUadEC0FKEWlHxS2Ea by brennansv@sfba.social
2023-04-12T22:34:56Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl It is less than 1%. And that’s just the excuse. The purpose of this label is to suggest NPR and the information it reports is dictated from a government that is intentionally misleading the public. That is not true.
(DIR) Post #AUaknbX95uKyHjfkWW by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-12T23:59:47Z
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@brennansv @edgeoforever @dwl Should truths that lead people to conclusions you don't like just not be said then?
(DIR) Post #AUbPSezb8RnB3I71we by BlueintheSouth@newsie.social
2023-04-13T07:35:22Z
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@realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl Twitter's a freakin' MESS. NPR doesn't need it and so many people are leaving it, anyway, so it's no longer useful to them. Sick of Republicans calling NPR "state affiliated" just because they tell the truth. They get less government money than Tesla or Space X...https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
(DIR) Post #AUbPh2JagvEALr5L2e by BlueintheSouth@newsie.social
2023-04-13T07:37:59Z
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@realcaseyrollins @dwl @NecroBelch @edgeoforever it's a ridiculous label .https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
(DIR) Post #AUbl213Ofp5rYhM7E0 by illustr8rFRE@freespeechextremist.com
2023-04-13T11:37:07.825173Z
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@BlueintheSouth @realcaseyrollins @edgeoforever @dwl "So many people" are leaving Twitter. 🤣 OK, dyke.Publicly-funded NPR ragequit Twitter for being correctly described as publicly funded. NPR can negate the accuracy of the description quite simply: they can stop accepting the half a percent of their $3,000,000,000 budget from the taxpayers. That's all. It's very easy.
(DIR) Post #AUbo1AzQXv8Jwnn2rQ by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-13T12:10:34Z
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@BlueintheSouth @edgeoforever @dwl > so many people are leaving it, anyway, so it's no longer useful to them. I mean, engagement on #Twitter is at an all-time-high rn. So either more people are being active, or the same people are being more active than before. Either way, it's a bit silly to say that #Twitter isn't useful to #NPR or any news organization for that matter, that's just a cop-out to forgo admitting the fact that they're only leaving because their feelings are hurt 😂
(DIR) Post #AUbo8cwuzXdegoAZ5k by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-13T12:11:55Z
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@BlueintheSouth @dwl @NecroBelch @edgeoforever Why is it ridiculous to have labels that include truthful information? Perhaps it's a narrative thing; maybe pitching or supporting a narrative is more important than whether or not a platform tells the truth.
(DIR) Post #AUbpK7qQZ18VeJBE92 by NecroBelch@mstdn.party
2023-04-13T12:25:11Z
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@realcaseyrollins @BlueintheSouth @dwl @edgeoforever is the twisting of words intentional, or can you not help it?
(DIR) Post #AUbpOoT622Nf0DVCgC by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-13T12:26:03Z
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@NecroBelch @BlueintheSouth @dwl @edgeoforever I wouldn't know, I'm not doing it.