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(DIR) Post #AUVBUYBspZeQEG6ezA by EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
2023-04-10T07:30:07Z
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What do you do when your phone breaks?Our new ‘right to repair’ initiative will make it easier and cheaper for consumers to repair defective goods.By promoting repairs both within and beyond the legal guarantee, it will:🔹 reduce waste,🔹 boost the repair sector and🔹 make repairs easier and cheaper for consumers.→ https://europa.eu/!KKwHFh#EUGreenDeal #RightToRepair
(DIR) Post #AUVCEEnjFkeHPjas9g by userwalter@mastodon-belgium.be
2023-04-10T07:36:56Z
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@EU_Commission 'what do you do when your phone breaks? ' - I want to repair it. But I know that currently is not realistic. Definitely not doing it yourself. And if the manufacturer 'repairs' it will most likely a complete or partial replacement. Not a repair. And getting an out of warranty repair if it is even possible will not make economically sense.
(DIR) Post #AUVCV6FsHR5Dpdnbbk by baptiste0928@mstdn.social
2023-04-10T07:38:27Z
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@EU_Commission We should also force manufacturers to provide updates for a longer period of time (at least security updates for proprietary components). Most phones today have their software updated for less than 3 years.
(DIR) Post #AUVD87EQaCFm9ej6h6 by Herbstfreud@social.tchncs.de
2023-04-10T07:44:11Z
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@EU_CommissionRepairing, no doubts!(OK, it's easy, I have a Fairphone... 😉)So far, as long as we don't have so many repairable devices on the market repair cafés seem to be the only possibility for many people (Two days ago I repaired Smartphone #50 in my life there, a Pixel 3).But there are still many machines on the market for which you don't get any spare parts - because it was never intended to repair them.I think your goals are reachable. Good luck and thanks for all your effort!
(DIR) Post #AUVDWqlkvWnKKx6rya by PatrikSchoenfeldt@gruene.social
2023-04-10T07:43:38Z
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@EU_Commission Preferably, I have my devices repaired. However, this needs thoughts at the time of purchase and even before that availability of devices.For example, I don't know of a 13" laptop without soldered components that runs Linux. (Linux is important because otherwise support for the device might stop from one day to the next. This happened with some CPU that are still fast enough but Microsoft just won't let you install Windows 11 although it runs.)
(DIR) Post #AUVDk2ey1tPCymDzxg by troglodyt@mastodon.nu
2023-04-10T07:48:15Z
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@EU_Commission with chatcontrol i won't have one so it doesn't matter
(DIR) Post #AUVE1FaxBpBi1JYMLI by I_Like_Books@strangeobject.space
2023-04-10T07:50:10Z
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@EU_Commission I bought a new one but to be fair it was a ten year old blackberry
(DIR) Post #AUVEhNchjOap58Sdhw by OliverNoble@mastodon.world
2023-04-10T08:03:44Z
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@EU_Commission Phone repairs can be easy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uq1v64_RCA
(DIR) Post #AUVFazhBsevH5X4uP2 by mihai@mstdn.ro
2023-04-10T08:15:57Z
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@EU_Commission I recently realized that as an European worker I have more rights than my US colleagues. Keep pushing for #RightToRepair and they will eventually listen one way or the other if they want to sell inside the EU
(DIR) Post #AUVFsRq8Ugz3IbaKZ6 by OliverNoble@mastodon.world
2023-04-10T08:16:02Z
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@EU_Commission Phone repairs can and should be easy Fairphone have mastered it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uq1v64_RCA#fairphone #sustainability #repair
(DIR) Post #AUVGPSCu9KtTzhyP6u by alemacilenti@mastodon.uno
2023-04-10T08:16:44Z
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@EU_Commission@europa.eu @userwalter It is definitely realistic to own a repairable phone. iFixit offers a Repairability Score: https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairabilityNext time you need a new phone (hopefully in many many years), just choose a new one with a high repairability score.I personally cannot recommend https://www.fairphone.com/ enough.
(DIR) Post #AUVGfgAtzB2Vwom0em by tomasveneny@mstdn.social
2023-04-10T08:17:53Z
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@EU_Commission Apple will bankrupt because of it :)
(DIR) Post #AUVGx1waImvYO0Llj6 by thecharmingcompany@universeodon.com
2023-04-10T08:23:36Z
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@EU_Commission please please please. I worked in telecoms at the start of the century. What went on then is worse today. We. MUST use existing devices first to make repairs. The idea of putting a new "thing" into an older model means creating an imbalance I supply chains that Increases the impact of the industry. The new part comes from an entire device. Or from a plan for an exact amount of "things" headed for an exact amount of devices. There's also the fact that devuce makers don't publish the probability of needing a repair. Which they could. And choose not to. HACCP means they must calculate this or they are negligent. Companies do not plan for repairs required, in a sales and operational planning sense, thus there will always be unnecessary waste. BTW, tax deductible repairs would help small businesses and the self employed.
(DIR) Post #AUVHBFXEZEiaanGyfI by zappi@chaos.social
2023-04-10T08:23:55Z
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@EU_CommissionAll that right to repair is absolutely nothing, without the right to update. And therefore we need a right for open driver if the property holder drops the support. This happens to smartphones and similar devices on a regular base.
(DIR) Post #AUVHZp8RrGQTxFOhcG by meeresleuchten@socel.net
2023-04-10T08:27:53Z
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@EU_CommissionAlthough I can repair most of these glued up design pieces of future e-waste, the lack of software support really breaks the device.I used to be a Apple Certified iOS Technician and it saddened me, that they don't really repair devices but salvage them, when the have dented cases.Atm I have two perfectly fine android devices lying around, that either lack security updates or can't be used for banking and healthcare apps, because of their opened bootloaders.
(DIR) Post #AUVHo1auKg4UeLTr9M by rafael@mastodon.rafaelbailon.com
2023-04-10T08:29:38Z
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@EU_CommissionWill independent repair shops be able to access parts and documentation of devices under the proposed legislation?
(DIR) Post #AUVI2wYlKiyTNYahjE by Keeya@mastodon.art
2023-04-10T08:30:01Z
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@EU_Commission I would repair them but with current devices it's hardly feasible. I currently own a slightly over 5y old Pixel 2, battery being so-so. Since there is no aftermarket batteries really, "repairing" it will not make sense, all you get is equally old scavenged batteries.Sadly from what I read user replaceable batteries won't be made mandatory after all? That would have been a huge step into the right direction.So I will just use it until it breaks for real.
(DIR) Post #AUVIR8r3GwsUSegUUK by nielino@mastodon.uno
2023-04-10T08:32:53Z
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@EU_Commission I want to repair it, but it's often very expensive and customer services may be on the other side of the country 😩
(DIR) Post #AUVIvrXPho5RjP9CrI by tweakmaista@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T08:36:27Z
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@EU_Commission This survey lacks the option of reusing another, ditched one. This is what I have been doing for years. It's amazing at what rate working phones are tossed.
(DIR) Post #AUVJQKLh9S7jm5C1Ls by deightonrobbie@mastodon.green
2023-04-10T08:43:26Z
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@EU_Commission My phone broke 3 years ago (it stopped receiving android security updates in 2020 which means it is vulnerable to attack). I'm still using it despite this danger. There are also many devices which need cloud access in order to function properly, and which become useless or close to useless when the associated services stop being supported despite the device itself not being broken. Software support is as important as hardware support!
(DIR) Post #AUVJtg3XWX0tUohDjU by olividir@mas.to
2023-04-10T08:54:36Z
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@EU_Commission: I don't know why, but I find it kind of fun taking stuff apart to see how they work with the possibility to be able to fix things. I wonder if we will ever get fully modular phones, meaning I would be able to change battery, RAM/storage or even more.
(DIR) Post #AUVK7HyPrKPArKn2vI by jlapoutre@mastodon.online
2023-04-10T08:58:23Z
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@EU_Commission this has actually not a binary answer. If the phone is out of system updates obviously responsibly trash it. If there is still vendor support by all means repair it. Here Apple outshines most competitors, minus the repair-ability sadly
(DIR) Post #AUVKQ0MHZkkPjGsUAi by portaloffreedom@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-10T09:03:35Z
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@EU_CommissionI need the option "buy a new one but I would like to repair it"
(DIR) Post #AUVLVOyLaZgrTCosYS by migo@social.anoxinon.de
2023-04-10T09:22:23Z
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@EU_Commission Smartphone Reparatur JA, wenn das Gerät bis ~4 Jahre alt ist, danach würde ich ein neues Gerät wählen, aufgrund des Wertverlusts des Smartphones.Außerdem geht es nicht nur um Reparaturen, oftmals wäre auch der nachträgliche Einbau von zusätzlichem Arbeitsspeicher eine gute Sache, da dieser die Leistung des Smartphones stark beeinflussen kann.Ob Reparatur überhaupt der richtige Begriff ist? Es werden, in der Regel, wohl komplette Module ersetzt werden.
(DIR) Post #AUVM0FWUlr5B8nV9EW by JRepin@mstdn.io
2023-04-10T09:24:28Z
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@EU_Commission The #RightToRepair should also include software, not just hardware. We should be able to install and repair any software, including the operating system. See more herehttps://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220427-01.en.html
(DIR) Post #AUVMIGA78LsiKqcXvU by migo@social.anoxinon.de
2023-04-10T09:25:23Z
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@EU_Commission Smartphone Reparatur JA, wenn das Gerät bis ~4 Jahre alt ist, danach würde ich ein neues Gerät wählen, aufgrund des Wertverlusts des Smartphones.Außerdem geht es nicht nur um Reparaturen, oftmals wäre auch der nachträgliche Einbau von zusätzlichem Arbeitsspeicher eine gute Sache, da dieser die Leistung des Smartphones stark beeinflussen kann.Ob Reparatur überhaupt der richtige Begriff ist? Es werden, in der Regel, wohl komplette Module ersetzt werden.
(DIR) Post #AUVMqNNMosB8YQ5Uie by blackandcold@wien.rocks
2023-04-10T09:30:03Z
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@EU_Commission last teo phones were designed to break when trying to repair them. Power cable below the glued battery or glued screen… right to repair has to be done the same way as for big machines. Also don’t forget vehicles. Can’t change a light, car has sealed components and John Deer?
(DIR) Post #AUVN6WWWZnHRYh4RSy by Primetime@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T09:32:31Z
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@EU_Commission I do neither.I dont have the skill set, or the time, to repair my old broken phone. Instead I buy a (working) second hand phone.
(DIR) Post #AUVOg62acG8hnpaxl2 by JulesJones@mendeddrum.org
2023-04-10T09:52:23Z
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@EU_Commission more accurately, I would repair it if feasible to do so, but as others have said that requires software updates as well.Another problem is that even with phones with expandable memory many apps will not allow you to install them on the expansion, so onboard memory rapidly runs out of room. I will need to buy a new phone soon because of this and the security update problem even though the phone itself is physically fine.
(DIR) Post #AUVPMXtNSIeuLRWloO by ShepherdOfFire@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-10T09:54:49Z
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@EU_Commission I would repair my own stuff, if only Manufacturers would not make buying a spare part MORE expensive than buying a new phone. I would even prefer fixing spare parts if they would provide schematics.Like Louis Rossman said: Schematics or die.
(DIR) Post #AUVPe5fr6mJU2ZZKmu by dminca@mastodontech.de
2023-04-10T09:59:50Z
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@EU_Commission taking the example of a broken back glass of an iPhone 12 Pro, if you go to an authorized service they will charge 50% of the cost of your phone. If you have Apple Care+, that will cost 40%; it’s not that big of a difference and this should be better regulated.It shouldn’t matter if it’s certified repair shop or not, the end goal is the same: to get it fixed and bring it in the same high-quality state as it was before.
(DIR) Post #AUVPr1QgCYhydkdXTk by maz@mastodon.online
2023-04-10T10:00:39Z
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@EU_Commission Would that include a #rightToHack? Because aside from broken displays broken software and end of vendor support typically mark the end of usability. And not everybody seems to be on board with the #RightToRepair broken software when it comes to unlocking, publishing instructions, liberating cloud bound hardware and so on. The proposal reads already like those organisations have already succeeded in watering down the idea.
(DIR) Post #AUVQNvhCXW3YPk3XSC by jeroen94704@fosstodon.org
2023-04-10T10:09:07Z
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@EU_Commission It would be awesome if this initiative could include an obligation for manufacturers to provide electronic schematics of their products. These are extremely useful for repair purposes but are rarely available these days. Manufacturers claim schematics are trade secrets, but this is nonsense. If you have the physical product you can recreate the schematic. It’s just a lot of work. Their unavailability is partly why devices get thrown out instead of repaired
(DIR) Post #AUVQazzzqsNXWb4zCq by Smilla@troet.cafe
2023-04-10T10:09:29Z
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@EU_Commission I am currently in the exact situation where my Fairphone is no longer charging correctly. I will therefore replace the corresponding module in the next few days. If I can't do it on my own, I'll get help from the community.
(DIR) Post #AUVQqKEMueLecH6sV6 by simoivanov@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T10:13:23Z
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@EU_Commission while "we" do indeed prefer to repair it, let's see what the end form of the initiative will be. Given many other initiatives that have fizzled so far, I at least won't be holding my breath.
(DIR) Post #AUVRKcOvv6fpesUphQ by 13reak@infosec.exchange
2023-04-10T10:24:44Z
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@EU_Commission YES, PLEASE ENABLE REPAIRS!Here are some of the most pressing issues:1) With my two last smartphones, I didn't get a single Android update - and we're not talking about a short time. Over the last 9 years, I had 2 smartphones. Enough time for vendors to patch. (They didn't)2) The part that breaks first, was with both of them the battery. However, most batteries nowadays are built in and cannot be easily replaced.3) Lastly, storage is always full. While most phones offer additional sd-card slots, it's the exception that an app or system files can be moved to the sd-card.I doubt companies will fix these issues themselves. They make much more money with people buying new smartphones every 2 years. Until repairs&updates are enforced, repairs don't make sense.PS: great work on standardizing USB-C.
(DIR) Post #AUVSRhTHZG2JMeTHbk by bjb@fosstodon.org
2023-04-10T10:39:52Z
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@EU_Commission I made sure to buy a Big Honking Robust Case so that the phone would not break anytime soon.
(DIR) Post #AUVVUjYqYQJ2ZpDDQO by datamaps@social.linux.pizza
2023-04-10T11:14:05Z
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@EU_Commission Portable devices are troves of private information, I'm sorry but I would never give it to anyone to repair it if I cant wipe it or take storage out beforehand, so ban the soldering and let us users do it ourselves at a fraction of the current costs. Why on earth should i send my phone to a lab to simply change the battery?!?In any case, if you don't force longer updates there is no point in repairing phones after the manufacturer updates closure window
(DIR) Post #AUVVxv76gHaSnw9cTg by aerkiaga@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T11:16:14Z
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@EU_Commission hopefully my Fairphone 4 by @Fairphone will last many more years!
(DIR) Post #AUVWThzozFtRO6u8GW by JCWasmx86@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T11:21:12Z
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@EU_Commission If you are really for right-to-repair, you should force vendors to make it possible to have your own OS on your devices and after end of support everything should be opensourced to make it possible for people to repair software themselves.Sure right to repair for hardware is good, right to repair for hardware and software would be better.
(DIR) Post #AUVcO1HSyRUDBYpPLU by RassilonianLegate@mstdn.social
2023-04-10T12:29:44Z
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@EU_CommissionI buy a new one, though It's not out of choice, I can't even change my current phone's OS let alone get into it to repair itFor my next phone I'm going to try to make sure I can though, and I'm also going to try to make it a linux phone if it's in a usable state (by me) by then
(DIR) Post #AUVgeeCSRNESLDfZtw by elfbiter@mastodontti.fi
2023-04-10T13:17:17Z
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@EU_Commission I suspect the answer would be "no spare parts for this one any more, you have to buy a new one".
(DIR) Post #AUVjEXle28VeizN9W4 by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T13:45:50Z
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@EU_Commission I'm fine with the repair option but I voted "buy a new one" because in 25 years, since my first mobile phone, I only purchased 4 and none of them broke and needed to be fixed or replaced.
(DIR) Post #AUVk47DVzbP9RE03JQ by kopaka@social.vivaldi.net
2023-04-10T13:56:15Z
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@EU_Commission Tough question, for 15 years I have never broken none of my phones. 😅 When it gets old, I usually sell it or hand it over to a workshop.
(DIR) Post #AUVlX6vsEHfeuL8d7Y by CodexNotFound@mastodon.world
2023-04-10T14:12:42Z
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@EU_Commission it depends. If it's 8 years old, a dead battery, USB port and screen I will buy a new phone, otherwise Ill repair it.My current phone is almost checking all those marks, and am looking to get a #fairphone 4, although I might just wait it out with a powerbank until September in the hope a Fairphone 5 is announced.
(DIR) Post #AUVoMLzQCrImHfMNai by po3mah@mastodon.social
2023-04-10T14:45:26Z
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@EU_Commission Please force phone producers to (at least)+ enable installing other OS-es after a certain period of time. This would drastically prolong the usability of old devices+ easy battery replacement+ easy screen replacement
(DIR) Post #AUVobj2ulXLs8TK7qS by britishtechguru@techhub.social
2023-04-10T14:45:50Z
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@EU_Commission but what about planned obsolescence? All the updates these phones get do absolutely nothing apart from make the phone slower and more worthless every year.
(DIR) Post #AUVpyH5IzXy81sl3LM by schmaker@schmaker.eu
2023-04-10T15:00:07Z
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Suck that they are #Chinese, but #Unihertz also let's you repair your device quite easily. https://www.unihertz.com/collections/replacement-partsThey also send other unlisted parts if requested.
(DIR) Post #AUVqVAViSFdJCFnR5s by hacknorris@101010.pl
2023-04-10T15:07:48Z
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@EU_Commission i have one old af phone which just werks. yes its smartphone although i think its specs arent already fitting in UE tho... this old... ofc everything customized from additional glass and case up to unlocked bootloader and custom rom... i like this one tbh :)
(DIR) Post #AUVvpovkNrCG7RdgmW by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-04-10T16:09:06Z
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@EU_Commission please stop wasting our money on your ridiculous attempts to fix the market.1. Focus on important tasks as corruption in high politics and offshore tax evasion2. Stop with crazy regulations, the only effect is chaos and uncertainty in Europe.3. As not democratically elected entity, you have no right to influence free market in such way.
(DIR) Post #AUVy1YqmC9rPdA2YT2 by paelse@mastodon.online
2023-04-10T16:32:02Z
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@EU_Commission Last time my phone broke, i was because I accidentally put it through a lawn mower. Not much to repair there 😅
(DIR) Post #AUW8l2yW2O1NdMzKr2 by Sebastian@xn--trt-tna.sebtobie.de
2023-04-10T18:33:43Z
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@EU_Commission i can repair my new phone, but my old has no cheap repair parts
(DIR) Post #AUWIlyVZ87hZbxWoam by ciaobydany@mastodon.uno
2023-04-10T20:26:30Z
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@EU_Commission this is a first important step, but it's still not enough to guarantee long term usability. We also need security updates granted for at least 3 years on whatever device.
(DIR) Post #AUWfSX0JSmZlkibjkG by fauli1221@privex.social
2023-04-11T00:38:04Z
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@EU_CommissionI have a #Fairphone4 any my goal is to use it for the next 7 years at least and just repair it myself if something brake's or if I can't repair it myself send it to #fairphone
(DIR) Post #AUXFF39kiok1latTuK by cristiioan@fosstodon.org
2023-04-11T07:21:30Z
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@EU_Commission When my phone breaks to the point it is not usable, I just buy a new one since at that point it already pretty old.
(DIR) Post #AUXJOV6SaKRsri7ErA by RuizCarlos@nrw.social
2023-04-11T08:08:06Z
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@EU_Commission 'what do you do when your phone breaks? '. Many times have been self repairing it, and moving to LineageOS as the manufacturer doesn't provide updates anymore. And self repair is sometimes a nightmare with components glued.
(DIR) Post #AUXQp4ygWfhlKw6FIu by OliverNoble@mastodon.world
2023-04-11T08:43:48Z
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@schmaker @EU_Commission unihertz look great, thanksIts a shame so much manufacturing is outsourced but if you regard a fairphone as chinese, then so is an iphone and most other phones too
(DIR) Post #AUXQp5jTih8Rg3zcEy by schmaker@schmaker.eu
2023-04-11T09:31:43Z
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@OliverNobleWell, I was talking about Unihertz, not Fairphone (but I do see now why you thought otherwise 😀 )@EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #AUXiR9r0Xk4CgWFgCe by nagyv@spore.social
2023-04-11T12:48:39Z
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This sounds really cool. It would be great to see in action.The only remaining question is: how and in which situations would it even better to "not consume"?
(DIR) Post #AUXlRJGvpJGPl08qP2 by resuna@ohai.social
2023-04-11T13:21:37Z
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@EU_Commission I generally buy a new one because it's usually several years after I bought it and newer software is making it lag like a laggy thing that lags anyway.Desktops and laptops I repair because they've gotten over the Moore's Law hump and even a ten year old laptop is still useful. Plus they're held together by screws instead of glue. Can you do something about that glue thing? It's kind of abusive.
(DIR) Post #AUYzWxYd4CEifFy3Ki by OliverNoble@mastodon.world
2023-04-11T09:39:12Z
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@schmaker @EU_Commission Its an easy mistake because It probably applies to almost everything now - sorry i misunderstoodI was just now looking at a device made by ring (automotive) - a "british" company - the safety data sheet is chinese - its either just rebadged or 100% chinese made under licenceChinese companies invest a far higher proportion of income into R&D (and have lower wages etc) so I cant see it changing either
(DIR) Post #AUa4z5y855P3my5fpg by Nelfan@mastodon.zaclys.com
2023-04-12T16:10:36Z
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@EU_CommissionAs usual, the result of your decisions is only a half part of what should have been achieved : https://repair.eu/news/not-yet-accessible-affordable-nor-mainstream-campaigners-tighten-the-screw-on-new-eu-right-to-repair-proposal/?link_id=1&can_id=bc1f3efeee5c7e84f5ee505b1e1bd625&source=email-the-new-eu-right-to-repair-proposal-is-not-enough-to-make-repair-accessible-and-affordable&email_referrer=&email_subject=r2r-members-only-press-release-the-new-eu-right-to-repair-proposal-is-not-enough-to-make-repair-accessible-and-affordable&link_id=1&can_id=d674b2c0ab49b3abe1234ff6df19b4fd&email_referrer=email_1855721&email_subject=right-to-repair-europe-help-us-disseminate-our-reaction-to-eu-right-to-repair-proposal