Post AUTHel5Fxb2SWMKzgW by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
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(DIR) Post #AUTByiU2joe0WV45TM by sz_duras@mastodon.online
2023-04-09T08:18:46Z
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The Pentagon leak reveals that NATO is already at war with Russia, that the Pentagon and not Ukraine is in charge of planning every aspect of the US proxy war and that WW3 may actually happen…
(DIR) Post #AUTByjcEWqn22Bu8sS by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-09T08:26:19Z
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Sources, please?
(DIR) Post #AUTHekOiVl0kOQR1NY by sz_duras@mastodon.online
2023-04-09T09:27:53Z
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@8petros search for “pentagon leaked papers” and eventually you’ll find the source documents, if you want the prinary sources
(DIR) Post #AUTHel5Fxb2SWMKzgW by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-09T09:29:24Z
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Here we go again...Unfounded claim and "do your own research". Thank you for your self-cancelling. Bye.
(DIR) Post #AUUtSjOKPwmtDHuUwC by moon_app@zirk.us
2023-04-10T03:47:05Z
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@8petros @sz_duras The documents suggest that Ukraine's air defense against aircraft—largely made up of the S-300 and Buk missile systems—will be depleted by May. Several documents refer to Ukraine using weapons within Russia. According to one document, in late February, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky suggested the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) to strike within the Rostov Oblast. Another document states that China could increase aid to Russia if Ukraine struck within Russia.
(DIR) Post #AUUtSk1g3eGNBKJvGq by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-10T04:08:07Z
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Oh, another one... I think I hit the nest.So, how those mythical documents refer to the OP statement "that the Pentagon and not Ukraine is in charge of planning every aspect of the US proxy war"? Kindly spare yourself an embarrassment and avoid phrases "it is obvious", "do your own research" and such. You are in my red zone already.
(DIR) Post #AUUu16rPfNFtqauJd2 by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-10T04:14:18Z
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@kravietz, come and see what I found. Another troll farm.
(DIR) Post #AUVAI4OzesCePcivHU by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-10T07:16:48.750490Z
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@moon_appAs a reminder, Russia has been striking civilian and military infrastructure in Ukraine from the very first day of the war and since October they actually unrolled a targeted campaign of destroying Ukraine’s energy and heating infrastructure with the intention to freeze their civilians during winter. Care to explain why in your world Russia is kind of entitled to strike anything it likes in Ukraine, while the defending side should be apparently prohibited from striking military objects in Russia? @8petros @sz_duras
(DIR) Post #AUVAOJPkkvl8i33Uh6 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-10T07:18:05.095530Z
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@sz_duras You should probably go and convince Russia, who is the invader here, to retreat its armed forces from Ukraine and stop bombing civilian targets in Ukraine, as it’s the fastest way to avoid escalation and threat of WW3.
(DIR) Post #AUW3rtGi1cJtmmwSfo by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-10T17:39:27Z
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(DIR) Post #AUXKb6jiaiwh0n3Oeu by moon_app@zirk.us
2023-04-10T21:58:04Z
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@kravietz @sz_duras @8petros i suspect the Us is trying to avoid a world war 3. this only demonstrates that it is the US that is calling the shots. personally, i find all parties objectives disgusting. Ukraine should never have gotten in bed with the US at least as early as 1991 and 2000.
(DIR) Post #AUXKb7SjtKxTGQ7Lpg by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-11T08:21:39.903898Z
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@moon_app The only way #Ukraine “gotten in bed” with the US in 1990’s was to sign the Budapest Memorandum and give away all its nuclear arsenal in exchange for security guarantees from US, Russia, UK, China and France. That was clearly a mistake, I agree and if Ukraine kept the arsenal it would be now living in peace.@sz_duras @8petros
(DIR) Post #AUXNT4A6ZwfUZbFl3I by ToniScott@mastodon.scot
2023-04-11T08:47:36Z
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@kravietz @sz_duras @8petros @moon_app Living in peace under Russia, though.
(DIR) Post #AUXNT56x39jvW6mkm8 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-11T08:53:57.896737Z
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@ToniScott No no, Ukraine gave away nuclear arsenal already as an independent country in 1994, not as part of USSR. If Ukraine had tactical nuclear warheads, Russia would never dare to do what it did in 2014. Today Russia is using the actual rocket carriers passed by Ukraine in 1994 to deliver conventional warheads on Ukrainian territory…@sz_duras @8petros @moon_app
(DIR) Post #AUY9526lMKSr3LIOfI by moon_app@zirk.us
2023-04-11T17:33:37Z
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@ToniScott @kravietz @sz_duras @8petros Ukraine was allied with Russia, not under Russia
(DIR) Post #AUY952mwpUCzAB25Q0 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-11T17:47:22.789183Z
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@moon_app Just as in the USSR, in Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) all strategic decisions were taken in Moscow. Or shall we better say - bullied by Moscow. This is exactly how Ukraine’s divorce with CIS happened when it started the process of association (not even membership!) with EU, which was massively supported by the Ukraine’s population due to stagnating Russian economy. Yanukovych was immediately called to travel to Sochi to meet Putin, after which he returned and out of the blue declared he won’t sign association with EU - this is precisely how Euromaidan started.@ToniScott @sz_duras @8petros
(DIR) Post #AUY9KlHnfdcZVuxTjU by sz_duras@mastodon.online
2023-04-11T15:09:16Z
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@kravietz If the russian/ukraine war was the only military engagement that the west (understood as the US hegemony, the US, EU, Can, UK, Aus, Israel and so on) was involved in that would be sufficient and I'd agree, putin is after all a fascistiv leader... but it isn't.
(DIR) Post #AUY9KlxdA757beWsvw by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-11T17:50:15.110819Z
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@sz_duras Sorry, that’s nothing more than victim blaming. Neither EU nor NATO invaded Ukraine and Russia is the only aggressor here that started an offensive war against another sovereign country. And it that 8 years after a low-profile invasion and annexation of part of Ukraine’s internationally recognized territory. You can’t end the war without removing the aggressor from the territory of the victim, sorry - anything else is just evasion and victim blaming.
(DIR) Post #AUYA94fNtAk26Gyr1E by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-04-11T17:53:07Z
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How stupid one needs to be, trying such a crude gaslighting, GasProm style. Mate, you are making yourself a dad joke.Ukraine lost their independence to Russia (then Soviet Union) between 1919-1991. It was one of mainstays of the Soviet Empire, not a satellite, not even a colony (at least not in economic or scientific sense). Try something at least a bit more intelligent.
(DIR) Post #AUYSzzAMrr7TZ2quwq by moon_app@zirk.us
2023-04-11T18:39:17Z
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@kravietz @sz_duras @ToniScott @8petros there was a large financial aid coming from Russia (certainly with strings attached. no worse than money from US or the IMF), but we out bid the Russian offer. that was the nightcap
(DIR) Post #AUYSzzqYL0rbfsabhY by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-04-11T21:30:33.849574Z
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@moon_app Speaking from a perspective of a Pole, who frequently visits Ukraine and Russia, there’s nothing more pissing off that a Russian or American who speaks in a way implying that countries like Poland or Ukraine are brainless masses who can’t make their own choices. Ukraine (or Poland for that matter) lived in a very close neighborhood of Russia for decades. Objectively, Russia totally sucks as a neighbor even at peace time, for many reasons. EU sucks much less, because it’s more successful in purely utilitarian and economic terms. Therefore both Poland and Ukraine made their choices to associate with EU, not with Russia. Period.Implying that somehow Bidens or Trumps of our times “outbid” Putin offends the intelligence of literally anyone who had put their foot on the ground in either country.@sz_duras @ToniScott @8petros
(DIR) Post #AUZEbEmyRQjSZrAvCK by moon_app@zirk.us
2023-04-11T21:44:11Z
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@kravietz agreed. everyone everywhere is intensely mediated, but able to make choices about how, where, when, why and with whom they wish to sleep@sz_duras @ToniScott @8petros