Post AUOexPHPCXUU2k3lse by ant0n@urchan.org
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(DIR) Post #AUOczzOXhIC4itVArA by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-07T03:35:39.489022Z
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catholics: what does this verse mean?RT: https://nicecrew.digital/objects/ea1b5243-e270-4ad5-b063-3d3cf7f0d150
(DIR) Post #AUOeBiPelI5pU2B6hs by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-07T03:49:11Z
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@ant0n @Matty@nicecrew.digital Hey what did St Paul mean when he called himself father?Also do we not call our biological fathers father?Also call no man teacher right? Do you similarly never use this word?Maybe there's some deeper meaning like when Christ says "Why do you call me good? Only God is good." since he's obviously not denying his own divinity.
(DIR) Post #AUOexPHPCXUU2k3lse by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-07T03:52:37.916642Z
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15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.he is not telling me to call him "Father">do we not call our biological fathers fatheris your church leader your biological father?>call no man teacherit's not about not having a teacher. it's about recognizing that no man teaches you about God you can have fellowship but your Father (Abba) is in Heaven.>only God is goodtrue. so true.
(DIR) Post #AUOexPiLaN2dOIfHsG by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-07T03:57:48Z
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@ant0n In the same way no teacher is above God who ultimately teaches us all so too is no father (biological or spiritual) above God who is father of us all.That's the point. See the necessarily correlation between these teachings in their context.
(DIR) Post #AUOfd285fCcmPGYHC4 by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-07T03:59:23.812982Z
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you completely lost me there. so you wouldn't call you church leader "father"? would you put the pope above yourself and in between Christ or are you both on equal footing before Christ?not bait, genuine question.
(DIR) Post #AUOfd2jJQoOmGhy0DA by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-07T04:05:20Z
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@ant0n In the same way my music teacher is my teacher, God is my ultimate teacher. In the same way my biological father is my father, God is my ultimate Father. In the same way my adoptive father is my father, God is my ultimate Father. In the same way my priest is my spiritual father, God is my ultimate Father.Would you put Peter above yourself and between you and Christ? What about Paul? If Paul walked into your church and taught would you accept his authority over your own?
(DIR) Post #AUTAze6OPi9RGmsjyq by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-07T15:27:03.866139Z
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> in the same way my music teacher is my teacherI don't call my music teacher or priest "father"> Would you put Peter above yourself and between you and Christ? What about Paul?No, I don't put anyone between myself and Christ. Not Peter, not Paul, not anyone. God to Christ to me. Thats how that works.> If Paul walked into your church and taught would you accept his authority over your own?I would absolutely fellowship with the apostles. Im sure we would glorify the Word with our discussions in His name.I would not call them "father".
(DIR) Post #AUTAzeohkxb3UDc836 by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T08:15:36Z
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@ant0n And when Paul calls himself your father in Christ?
(DIR) Post #AUTDyKDj9DPLBGNH4S by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T08:49:00Z
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@ant0n Re: Teacher see previous verse. Rabbi means teacher. You are not to be called teacher.Nor are you to be called instructors or leaders, depending on your translation.Yet even St John refers to the fathers in the church. See: 1 John.How are we supposed to honour our father and our mother?Are we abolishing the the notion of fatherhood entirely?If you read it plainly and literally then yes. In which case both Paul and John were wrong... John the beloved disciple.
(DIR) Post #AUTE6qDe3r4QjuOfFQ by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T08:50:32Z
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@ant0n Not to mention if you're a plain reading as-literally-as-possible guy... where does that leave you with John 6?
(DIR) Post #AUU9eOKtvkuhUkvg9I by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-09T19:34:54.160288Z
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Only catholics pretend them saying they are a father in Christ means that we need to call them "Father". Have you wondered why that is?
(DIR) Post #AUUKlF0O7URg4wnrAe by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T21:39:47Z
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@ant0n For starters, no, Catholic and Orthodox, which accounts for 60% of all Christians worldwide, both do this.We have the evidence of apostles doing it and a continuity of early church fathers and thousands of years of the majority of Christians doing it.We have literary & historic continuity all the way back to the bible itself, both NT & OT.What you have is one quote removed from its surrounding context in terms of both sermon and the rest of the NT.
(DIR) Post #AUUL0APBVMto9iWDk8 by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-09T21:42:28Z
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@ant0n Hey I bet you sin with your eyes and hands all the time, I know I do, have you plucked out your eyes and chopped off your hands yet?Our Lord commanded it lest your whole body be sent to eternal judgement.
(DIR) Post #AUVJ8iyEs06kvOpNp2 by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-10T04:41:03.483029Z
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do we have evidence that the apostles called Jesus "Father" and did Jesus teach them to follow that Way?
(DIR) Post #AUVJ8jig5LFrFQYTCq by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T08:56:19Z
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@ant0n No because he's Son of Man and Son of God. He tells us to refer to God as Father even though He and His father are One.We don't confuse the three persons of the trinity.
(DIR) Post #AUVJQ7v1MnenDscY6q by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-10T04:42:16.928285Z
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i've considered it and prayed over this verse often with regards to the clown world we see today. but, thus far have determined that not to be God's plan for me (subject to change). not too sure where you're going here.
(DIR) Post #AUVJQAiiwybRubtGrI by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T08:59:28Z
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@ant0n I'm calling out the selective literalism in your interpretation.Call no man father, teacher or master means just that if taken literally.But if you are going with literal interpretations then apply it to everything or concede that Jesus explained things using figures of speech including hyperbole.If taken everything literally then rip out your eye and cut off your arm and take a good hard look at John 6.
(DIR) Post #AUWMMtIfkuaK2InApc by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-10T20:21:56.314912Z
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So we shouldn't call Jesus "Father" but we should call His followers "Father"?
(DIR) Post #AUWMMtuFVCdtuqNBOy by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T21:07:12Z
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@ant0n For the aforementioned reason of not confusing persons in the trinity or their specific roles in salvation, yes.
(DIR) Post #AUWN8y3VNWi6gVceYa by ant0n@urchan.org
2023-04-10T20:23:16.661957Z
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Are my eyes or arms causing me to stumble? Thus far prayer has told me "no" but why do you think "yes"?I am only taking this verse literally because philosophically I don't think we should have a spiritual "father" other than God.
(DIR) Post #AUWN8ygV2Xu0dRrnKy by LoopLinndrum@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-10T21:15:54Z
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@ant0n philosophically... please explain your reasoning.and similarly explain to me how you square the circle that this doesn't make Paul and John incorrect in referring to themselves and others as fathers in the church.Do you dispute a biblically instantiated hierarchy in the church? Priests and bishops?