Post AUMBbF1HNiRSrefwnY by atomicbirdseed@berserker.town
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(DIR) Post #AUM0oOPueezaHKGZM0 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:18:01Z
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As far as I'm concerned, until such a time as #Mastodon has on onboarding experience as simple as #Twitter's, search by default, and can be relied upon for simple things like assuring users that they can actually see all replies to a post, Mastodon is not a viable replacement for Twitter for most people, despite Twitter's continuing rapid degeneration.
(DIR) Post #AUM10ss1FvN8CdMwca by simdoes@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:20:20Z
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@lauren Nothing is perfect from the start. You should give a chance.
(DIR) Post #AUM13YQRj1wzfBkGgq by funmerlin@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:20:41Z
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@lauren to be honest, I found Twitter confusing when I started, in a way that other social media weren't. But Mastodon IS worse.
(DIR) Post #AUM15H7L31FAYud1GK by joelpomales@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:20:41Z
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@lauren as much as I support Mastodon, I have to agree.
(DIR) Post #AUM176G6OIOdSob76u by rorystarr@mstdn.social
2023-04-05T21:21:10Z
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@lauren it's not trying to be a replacement for twitter. It's a different service with different ethos. Not for everybody but neither was Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AUM1E0LCn6mx8aHEUC by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:22:51Z
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@simdoes The thing is, there appear to be factions in power here who consider such shortcomings to be positive attributes. Under those circumstances, there's no reason to expect them to be fixed.
(DIR) Post #AUM1KqFsgkSlsr2y3M by alaric@ioc.exchange
2023-04-05T21:24:01Z
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@lauren So much this šš¾ ESPECIALLY the onboarding experience. Having experienced this first hand recently with a person who is fairly tech savvy but not in tech and seen the frustration, the "friction" with user onboarding needs to be removed as much as possible. It's really analogous to getting people to get to use MFA. They aren't necessarily opposed to it, but the friction associated with it ("this is too much work") causes a lack of buy in.
(DIR) Post #AUM1Mi6fxI1bBtdFoG by robstahlnecker@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:24:14Z
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@lauren Onboarding is rough but you only have to get people to do that once. The search and replies/likes not appearing is a bigger shower stopper to me since you deal with that constantly.
(DIR) Post #AUM1OSNPPVa6z4I8sy by tanghus@freeradical.zone
2023-04-05T21:24:13Z
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@lauren Mastodon is not the only project implementing ActivityPub.
(DIR) Post #AUM1Q8jJQYtgd7L6Su by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:24:20Z
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@rorystarr My point is I see people here criticizing anyone still on Twitter. But what is their practical alternative with similar reach that they can maintain?
(DIR) Post #AUM1SGHCLAqAc9CVyC by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:25:17Z
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@tanghus True, but the mainline is what matters most, and everything else is peripheral as a practical matter. And some of the fundamental flaws in AP appear unlikely to be fixed anytime soon -- if ever.
(DIR) Post #AUM1Tx8eSvORq30fj6 by locksmithprime@infosec.exchange
2023-04-05T21:25:21Z
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@lauren For one, the blocking experience is somewhat strange. When someone is blocked, it seems all posts in a thread from the one who blocked disappear without traces to the one who was blocked. The remaining posts from other people in the thread are left without connection or with wrong connections without the proper context (i.e., the blocked user does not know whether a post is a reply to the posts that disappeared).Best would be to show, to the blocked one, empty or placeholder posts so that the context is maintained.
(DIR) Post #AUM1WU9ofobyp7lJq4 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:26:16Z
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@locksmithprime There are similar problems with replies in general in a number of contexts.
(DIR) Post #AUM1grUykIbC6xbnay by jrredho@mastodon.world
2023-04-05T21:28:01Z
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@lauren Twitter itself has gone through a transitory life evolution; it wasn't always so easy to figure out. Remember the "Idiot's Guide to Twitter" book?...
(DIR) Post #AUM1ig9FuvMhUJJXvM by nedhamson@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-04-05T21:27:37Z
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@lauren Use Tooot and you can see all responses in discussions.
(DIR) Post #AUM1kO3EAnWhwJJEFE by wendinoakland@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:28:44Z
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@lauren warts & all, Mastodon/the fediverse is working for me. Maybe onboarding will become simpler, maybe weāll self select as a tech-savvy only environment. Do we need to be everything for everyone and have all the people here?
(DIR) Post #AUM1njJLaMPskFRWbo by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:29:18Z
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@nedhamson If it's not mainline, it doesn't exist for most users. They're the ones I'm concerned about.
(DIR) Post #AUM1rzaV0l06NtUwzo by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:30:05Z
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@wendinoakland No, but I see people here calling people still on Twitter all sorts of nasty names, and I'm asserting that currently most of them do not have a practical alternative with similar reach and ease of use.
(DIR) Post #AUM1wqo35Vgib59WPA by tanghus@freeradical.zone
2023-04-05T21:30:28Z
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@lauren Maybe consider that they (some) are not flaws. If the Fediverse is not for everyone, fine with me and I am sure I'm not alone with that opinion.
(DIR) Post #AUM2GUOe7H5At0dQuW by lucywildboots@venera.social
2023-04-05T21:32:41Z
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@lauren @nedhamson From my perspective if they cannot figure out how to get here, then we arenāt missing anything. Now I realize that isnāt as inclusive as other people, but Iāve sort of gotten over the arrogance of Twitter users. If you want to be here, you will get here. If you donāt, try Post.
(DIR) Post #AUM2GV3leNyYwXsH0S by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:34:29Z
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@lucywildboots @nedhamson Exactly the attitude that makes me think about leaving Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AUM2Jnegy8j1U8idsm by tanghus@freeradical.zone
2023-04-05T21:35:05Z
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@lauren @rorystarr If reach is what it's about...For myself it's quality, not quantity.
(DIR) Post #AUM2RdZAMd4sVjs5k8 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T21:36:31Z
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@tanghus @rorystarr If you're a firm or public service organization, being able to reach the most people possible is important. Your experience (or mine for that matter) is nothing like theirs, nor are the use cases.
(DIR) Post #AUM2V9P6RsYm7eq8K8 by wendinoakland@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:37:09Z
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@lauren rudeness is unfair, and we really ought to be more understanding of the media limits afforded to the rest of the world. This is, though, still the early days of the populated fediverse. I do just wish we could each be a bit less obnoxious and more helpful.
(DIR) Post #AUM35fK5Ffm3Xhu5p2 by aulia@octodon.social
2023-04-05T21:43:41Z
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@lauren on one hand you got people being high and mighty against those still posting on Twitter, at the same time lauding the lack of features that prevent those people from making the switch or leaving Twitter entirely. Canāt have both šš
(DIR) Post #AUM3Pt9pWag2F2kbwG by i_understand@mastodon.social
2023-04-05T21:47:23Z
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@lauren I understand your criticisms, and agree with them. Although I am more optimistic that some aspects will be addressed.However, I think you're looking at social media from a "producer" perspective. That is, with a goal for as many as possible see and engage with what they post so they perceive "influence".I think Mastodon is about facilitating connections, not distributing "product".I also don't think it's the responsibility of anyone here to offer a twitter alternative to the world.
(DIR) Post #AUM3hbrOZfwBo7ZuHg by gflores1023@mas.to
2023-04-05T21:50:31Z
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@lauren well put. I"m on the lookout for T2.social.
(DIR) Post #AUM4JwzOSvhuLGbMGG by SeekingDuck@mas.to
2023-04-05T21:57:32Z
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@lauren @rorystarr Sure use mastodon, or not, whatever. But the longer people stay on that site the more unhinged they become. And that has entertainment value.
(DIR) Post #AUM4aiHOPQSbdy0u48 by kkeller@curling.social
2023-04-05T22:00:32Z
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@lauren @simdoes I suspect Eugen is the final say, so it doesn't totally matter what "factions in power" want.
(DIR) Post #AUM4cPRHQdl5n2RmYS by not2b@sfba.social
2023-04-05T22:00:41Z
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@lauren Twitter does not show all replies to a post. From their help: "**You will see replies in your Home timeline if you are following both the sender and the recipient of the reply, or if we think the reply is relevant to you**. Otherwise, you won't see the reply unless you visit the sender's profile page. If you send a reply to someone, it does not show on their profile page."
(DIR) Post #AUM4io2AtiZDo8kq2a by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:01:58Z
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@not2b That's a predictable and documented situation. Here it's unpredictable and effectively random.
(DIR) Post #AUM4kfzLmXEVQyKDk8 by JasonPerseus@mas.to
2023-04-05T22:02:15Z
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@lauren @simdoes My expectation is that kind of stuff will necessarily die out with scale, but otherwise agree. The thing about decentralization is that eventually the people who want the changes will outnumber those who donāt, and things will change and those who donāt want to come with will be siloed out of the main discourse by their own instance decisions. My hope is that will force those changes.
(DIR) Post #AUM4vIW3OOMfowgd4S by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:04:13Z
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@gflores1023 I'm on there now.
(DIR) Post #AUM4xNoydf9QqzX3ya by not2b@sfba.social
2023-04-05T22:04:15Z
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@lauren If you follow both parties to the conversation, you see all of the replies that happened after you start following, unless someone is blocked.
(DIR) Post #AUM4z9u5M4b6GglhD6 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:04:52Z
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@gflores1023 https://t2.social/laurenweinstein
(DIR) Post #AUM5WQxcxSEGj5I9eC by ssarhangi@social.zaaltek.net
2023-04-05T22:10:57Z
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@lauren Have you heard of Nostr? I guess Jack Dorsey is involved in that. Its another decentralized protocol I guess.
(DIR) Post #AUM5hSum28MpyJDXA8 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:12:59Z
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@ssarhangi Uninterested right now in another Jack project. Keep in mind he claimed Elon would be JUST GREAT for Twitter, apparently.
(DIR) Post #AUM6fxKe4VFLgUA97Q by ssarhangi@social.zaaltek.net
2023-04-05T22:22:37Z
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@lauren Guess he wanted to fill his coffers with the 44Bill, š
(DIR) Post #AUM6fxrc5vcNKjaTVQ by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:23:56Z
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@ssarhangi I really don't know his motivations. Never have understood them.
(DIR) Post #AUM7941EHzDOoxxcx6 by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-05T22:29:11Z
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@lauren Mastodon is not now, nor will it ever be like Twitter. The obverse is also true. Choose and adapt. But most of all, do it quietly...
(DIR) Post #AUM7FzImE19iDcTCMa by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:30:27Z
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@every I'm trying to find practical solutions for people trapped on Twitter. THAT is my goal.
(DIR) Post #AUM7X34rROfYqq61Ym by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-05T22:33:30Z
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@lauren Mastodon is a practical, albeit significantly different solution. Migrants must be willing to adapt or look elsewhere...
(DIR) Post #AUM7novbIjDBtHlJVw by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:36:34Z
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@every That's fine. But people here calling people still on Twitter all sorts of nasty things is not a good look for Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AUM8ZYHCVxfy99cqUi by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-05T22:45:14Z
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@lauren I agree, but I see little degradation of those individuals still on Twitter. Rather, it is against Twitter itself. There is a difference. After all, we all came here from somewhere...
(DIR) Post #AUM9XQNb0IOf1vAMoi by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-05T22:56:01Z
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@every I saw a bunch of posts just today replying to me calling people still on Twitter all sorts of bad stuff.
(DIR) Post #AUMAEg84K5ZeKQWpyC by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-05T23:03:47Z
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@lauren As you may have noticed, humans can be a clannish and irrational lot. And thus, the many problems of our world...
(DIR) Post #AUMBbF1HNiRSrefwnY by atomicbirdseed@berserker.town
2023-04-05T23:18:53Z
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@lauren K. Ciao.
(DIR) Post #AUMCCXG6X23C99OQtM by nedhamson@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-04-05T23:25:47Z
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@lauren there are maybe a dozen or so apps to interact with via the federated world of Mastodon. I donāt think of Mastodon as a one size fits all.
(DIR) Post #AUMEX6Kc2eJYcfR5nM by gillo@infosec.exchange
2023-04-05T23:51:49Z
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@lauren Agree on the analysis, but letās remember that Twitter now works well because itās a news platform. But it wasnāt born as such, it was instead a social platform. This is where Mastodon probably is now, but unless there are big players, media, institutions, etc. it wonāt be used as Twitter is, where searching and last minute news are key instead. Iām personally still on Twitter, but Iām not posting anymore or seek connections. I try to ānot feed the beastā and instead engage in interesting conversations here. And indeed thank you for spawning this one.
(DIR) Post #AUMFgiBEn2zAZLCIbo by i_understand@mastodon.social
2023-04-06T00:04:48Z
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@lauren @every I read somewhere that mastodon passed half a billion posts per day. What percent of those do you think were calling people still on Twitter all sorts of bad stuff?Given enough people you'll always get a bell curve of behavior. The question is what's the middle like, not the ends.
(DIR) Post #AUMFs17ahvagV1smkS by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T00:06:57Z
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@i_understand @every That's not what matters to me. What matters to me is the degree to which I get tweets hating Twitter users whenever I post about problems happening at Twitter. In many cases, just an absolute lack of empathy. In fact, I'd say overall I see less empathy toward people (especially non-techies) here than I ever have on Twitter, even now.
(DIR) Post #AUMGnxKCyrzFWLPa6q by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T00:17:25Z
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@gillo I also now only VERY rarely post, and my account there is locked against new follows.
(DIR) Post #AUMGxX1dcI4oqlI8dE by i_understand@mastodon.social
2023-04-06T00:19:08Z
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@lauren @every I wonder if you'd get the same lack of empathy on other topics.*shrug*, my point is simply that I do think some of the issues you rightly point out will improve, and whatever hurt these triggered folks are feeling now hopefully will fade.Personally I know I don't see a lot of posts I would like to see just because of the technology. Hopefully that will change without sacrificing what makes the platform work in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AUMJkHexjbE9IA3lqa by gflores1023@mas.to
2023-04-06T00:50:17Z
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@lauren I'm not there yet. Do you think it has potential to be big?
(DIR) Post #AUMLI41H3RKWmuAR1c by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T01:07:41Z
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@gflores1023 I don't have enough information to make a definitive judgment at this time ("Insufficient Data"). My participation is based on my respect for the founders and many of the users already onboard whom I already know. Right now it is very young and very small, but it has the feeling of the best parts of *classic* Twitter and Google in key ways that I find refreshing.
(DIR) Post #AUMLWRasCeDrxKfwiO by yuki2501@hackers.town
2023-04-06T01:10:13Z
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@lauren @rorystarr I think you're misunderstanding a few points here, specifically regarding search.While you see search as a convenient feature, people here see search as a tool for harassment and even doxxing. It has been used that way by nazis and transphobes in the past; it was by popular request that it got removed.I understand that you want search, but Mastodon's goal here is not merely be a drop-in replacement for Twitter, but to be a platform for forming safer and better communities. User safety trumps convenience.
(DIR) Post #AUMNDrdhLG3j8oGUXg by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T01:29:19Z
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Given that increasing numbers of instances are being indexed by external search engines, the lack of a native search capability option is likely to ultimately not be a reliable form of protection for anybody. But it will limit serious, benign applications in various ways, guaranteeing that Mastodon will remain a niche ecosystem (which, clearly is what many people here want, even as they say horrid things about people still using Twitter).
(DIR) Post #AUMNW33XdJNJlK1Xn6 by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-06T01:32:35Z
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@lauren @i_understand A bit of history. Mastodon was built and designed primarily by LGBTQ individuals. Mastodon is engineered to protect said individuals from the abuses they suffered on Twitter. That is why the toxic parties leaving Twitter have gained little or no traction on Mastodon. Additionally, rather than building a proprietary walled garden system, they instead chose to use the existing ActivityPub [1]. Mastodon is not, nor will it ever be Twitter...[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
(DIR) Post #AUMO1BmzDKUzpA85Zo by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T01:38:15Z
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@every @i_understand I am aware of the history. I am also aware of the toxic comments that people make here about ordinary folks on Twitter who are stuck there because Mastodon is so unwelcoming to them both technically and in terms of profiling.
(DIR) Post #AUMOosuzeKa1mCZUJ6 by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-06T01:47:08Z
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@lauren @i_understand I find this a bit confusing. Mastodon is indeed a bit different but it isn't rocket science. I figured it out and I'm over seven decades old. And what does "profiling" mean in this instance? Apparently I'm somehow missing large roving mobs of Twitter Haters stalking Mastodon with torches and pitchforks...
(DIR) Post #AUMOwU97dSk3GPnvDk by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T01:48:34Z
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@every @i_understand Feel through to dig through my past posts detailing this many times. If you can find them. I'm done repeating myself.
(DIR) Post #AUMPQaqvGWWSkceFYe by every@social.sdf.org
2023-04-06T01:54:02Z
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@lauren @i_understand OK. Understandable. But we have had a rather long discussion without me once characterizing you as some sort of brain-eating Twitter zombie... =)
(DIR) Post #AUMPnTR70O1OPUUApk by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T01:58:11Z
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@every @i_understand That's because you obviously have a politeness streak. Which is appreciated.
(DIR) Post #AUMcdQtmsqGt34ROO8 by MaxPow3r11@mastodon.online
2023-04-06T04:22:04Z
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@lauren Good. I don't want a lot of people from there to come here.
(DIR) Post #AUMlXV8T7Lh42SYQJE by jaklacroix@babka.social
2023-04-06T06:01:39Z
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@lauren this is my main view, too. And so far, no one's been able to reproduce the feeling of a Twitter timeline where you get to see a wide variety of content mixed between people you follow and those you don't. Feels like I'm always looking at a very small variety of posts with no good way to discover new, relevant accounts
(DIR) Post #AUMljquny1uL3u3KMK by hirad@mastodon.hirad.it
2023-04-06T06:03:50Z
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@lauren I don't think #Mastodon can ever replace #Twitter, because fediverse is constructed with a completely different mindset. Which isn't a bad thing at all. But it was a mistake to advertise it as Twitter alternative.
(DIR) Post #AUMqf0jIY8dVp8BIB6 by DarrenNevares@mas.to
2023-04-06T06:59:06Z
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@laurenI don't see #Mastodon as a replacement for #Twitter, but I see it as simply changing platforms. It's similar to me going from #Facebook to Twitter, still kept my #Instagram as well, they each serve a different section of my life and some creators/content producers are on some and some friends are on others. I have family that ONLY have a Facebook and they won't go to another platform.
(DIR) Post #AUMqf4ZAHkuJirTFwG by DarrenNevares@mas.to
2023-04-06T06:59:06Z
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@laurenI do, however, think that there is friction for organizations and companies to get here initially, but it comes with growing pains.Walking through friends to join any new social platform is a challenge, and some never make that jump. I joined #Mastodon due to creators I liked on #YouTube mentioning they had an account.
(DIR) Post #AUMsbbqanyApgy6C7E by tknarr@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T07:20:55Z
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@lauren 1/ Taking one item, how would you approach trying to get all Mastodon instances to receive all posts from all other instances? When I look at it, not being sure you've gotten all posts is an inherent quality of federation stemming from the initial axiom that no instance can know it has a complete list of all other instances.
(DIR) Post #AUNu31RE3qMDzXpSUq by robeaston@dreamin.online
2023-04-06T19:10:58Z
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@locksmithprime @m @lauren anyone tried Post?
(DIR) Post #AUNu32BfHBVKJZYXse by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T19:11:49Z
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@robeaston @locksmithprime @m I'm on there but rarely touch it.
(DIR) Post #AUNu4g30YtBcEGI4Y4 by robeaston@dreamin.online
2023-04-06T19:12:12Z
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@locksmithprime @lauren @m I opened an account and just left it alone.
(DIR) Post #AUNu7SPdiFUMoGCZhg by MisterStars72@sfba.social
2023-04-06T19:12:41Z
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@lauren Apparently social media is an extremely important and encompassing aspect of peopleās lives. I just come on here and post records and read political comments. Pretty much the identical experience as I had on the bird site, minus all the Nazis.
(DIR) Post #AUO4jmAJifNwcMwfVA by Infostack@mastodon.social
2023-04-06T21:11:28Z
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@lauren Emulating a siloed Twitter requires the fediverse participants to give up some control and agree to "open and hierarchical" centralization; as well as build in an economic clearinghouse that incentives and disincentives actions by individual actors. More on what I call equilibrism, or a new way of thinking about humanity's networks, here: http://bit.ly/2iLAHlG
(DIR) Post #AUO61FJCib1zshzptQ by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-06T21:25:51Z
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@Infostack From what I've seen of sensibilities here in my time in this ecosystem, I'd say the odds of this happening are approximately zero.
(DIR) Post #AUOCuYsgFa5OEfLkq8 by meredithw@wandering.shop
2023-04-06T22:43:06Z
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@lauren The lack of search forced me briefly onto the birdsite today. We had a widespread power outage in my town this afternoon. On the other site, I could use search to find info on what had happened.
(DIR) Post #AUPDOWpAehb3hcxQXo by Infostack@mastodon.social
2023-04-07T10:23:10Z
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@lauren what is your sustainable model to replace twitter?
(DIR) Post #AUPaAYpBbBc9wiPa64 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-07T14:38:05Z
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@Infostack Given the increasingly repressive political/regulatory landscape, I doubt that social media, as we know it today, has much of a future in the long run.
(DIR) Post #AUPb5TjExYVquyhrwu by Infostack@mastodon.social
2023-04-07T14:48:46Z
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@lauren so were does scaled engagement move to if the fediverse can't get its act together?
(DIR) Post #AUPbZN6i8tJ74MwHIG by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-04-07T14:54:14Z
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@Infostack The fediverse is even less likely to survive the regulatory onslaught than the major platforms. The latter will likely respond by massively reducing UGC hosted, establishing pre-moderation models, and the like. Fediverse instances will be far less able to meet the regulatory requirements. The coming ID requirements alone will likely kill off most of the fediverse over time.
(DIR) Post #AVrWeCI31Y6dHVHmwi by gflores1023@mas.to
2023-05-21T00:03:04Z
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@lauren or maybe Bluesky?Or maybe the new meta alternative?
(DIR) Post #AVrWmMka17aM2WWifY by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-21T00:04:34Z
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@gflores1023 I'm on Bluesky. Not impressed.
(DIR) Post #AVrWo40qebzIVNwh6W by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-21T00:04:53Z
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@gflores1023 I'm also on T2 and I like it a lot better, though it's still very small.