Post AUI5qZe67LgpF41osC by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
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(DIR) Post #AUGvhF4m25II8kSQXQ by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:27:40.984913Z
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(DIR) Post #AUGvmBsfL91Tg69amu by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-04-03T10:28:35.273421Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating good riddance lol. Death to intellectuals.
(DIR) Post #AUGvp43StPQSH8ZjKi by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:29:05.539484Z
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cc @aiI have a colleague who is upset about this who knows more than the media is putting out.
(DIR) Post #AUGvrvO9ZQ92GYcFea by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:29:36.972961Z
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@MK2boogaloo There's a lot more than the headline going on here.
(DIR) Post #AUGvzeRwQsmw314XYm by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-04-03T10:31:01.230580Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating elaborate more CMD.
(DIR) Post #AUGwC4nsH9qxG1FveK by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:33:14.726469Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo This is why it is such a controversial move. I am about to finish elaborating.
(DIR) Post #AUGwEjdzP0zCV8treK by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:33:43.671384Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo Donnelly's role was not that.
(DIR) Post #AUGxk5Lgr1TckUqyhc by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-04-03T10:50:36.519319Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating So let me get this straight, despite losing his salary, despite consistent abysmal reviews from both faculty and the student body, despite embroiling his whole department and others in petty, painful college politics, this professor still teaches or has some influence on the education plan?
(DIR) Post #AUGxt1E3YMY0ZFXhia by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:52:12.953481Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo So, this is the story according to my buddy. I can't verify this, take it with a few grains of salt. Bits and pieces of this are his own past bitching. None of this can be verified by media, but I trust my buddy more than I trust journos.Upshot is that Purdue's Math Department has been a feminist shithole for a long time - grad students are encouraged to join the AWM (Association for Women in Mathematics) to the point where there is no support for joining the AMS (standard Mathematics society). The old department head - Buzzard - openly encouraged this type of thing.It is worth pointing out that Purdue's Math Department has an exceptionally strong culture of nepotism and cliqueishness. Cliques are split among racial lines, which is a large part of the reason Edray Goins ended up leaving - Goins was black, and there was - at that time - only one other black professor in that department (who worked in a completely different field).So, pre-pandemic, Buzzard had been looking to step down from the department head role - professors kept doing stupid shit that caused huge piles of media attention (drunk in class), grad students kept doing stupid shit that cost the department huge piles of money, and Goins had recently left while calling the entire department a racist pile of shit in a big New York Times article.Buzzard hunts for a new department head, he can't find anyone in his department who would take the job because honestly "department head" is a terrible job no matter what, but it's doubly bad because it's Purdue's Math Department. Enter Irena Swanson - a Purdue Alum who had been at Reed for a long time. She takes over just in time for COVID to start.The upshot is that Swanson is *wildly* feminist, and apparently otherwise a perfect fit for Purdue's culture. Given that the Purdue Math Department is both a feminist dump and has a strong culture of nepotism, Donnelly - an old white dude - is a natural target for Swanson's ire. She spends a few years chipping away at the guy for something that no professor ever gives a shit about - teaching - and it ends with this.
(DIR) Post #AUGxwWPE5BQ68jRBku by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:52:51.411753Z
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@SuperSnekFriend Go read other chunks of the thread.There is a little more to this story.
(DIR) Post #AUGy6ugseCCALyeNgO by Aether@poa.st
2023-04-03T10:54:44.234532Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @ceo_of_monoeye_dating Makes sense to pay mathematicians less than 10 dollars. They seem to lack the ability to count beyond 6
(DIR) Post #AUGyKlyHrVWPMiOuZc by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:57:13.552368Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo Swanson is department head because she is the only person who would take the position. Department head is generally considered an undesirable position, and it is worse at Purdue than it usually is.
(DIR) Post #AUGyQQbkCj30qRYMfQ by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T10:58:15.519533Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo Worse at Purdue's *math* department, rather. No comment on other departments.
(DIR) Post #AUGyQYiQ3n8lzSjoBM by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-04-03T10:58:16.554385Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo What a shitshow all around, and triply so because the article's journalist is being a journalist fag as always! :jahy_disgust:
(DIR) Post #AUGycOHseo2f7hxyim by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:00:25.180755Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @roboneko @MK2boogaloo The link is from the Exponent, which is a student journalist outlet. Very unlikely they had the chops to do research beyond the surface level, and I only have this information because I have connections.This is one of those rare situations where I cannot blame the journalist for missing huge chunks of the story!
(DIR) Post #AUGz7ak6OnlWjI2pDU by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-04-03T11:06:03.838888Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo Well, all the same, this is just another shameful monument to what has happened to the American collegiate. :gurasadshark:
(DIR) Post #AUGzbYQrYMMoFfKhBQ by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:11:28.451854Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @roboneko @MK2boogaloo Oh yeah, my buddy FUCKING HATES this whole thing. He thinks I'm some sort of niche internet microcelebrity or something so he asked me to pin that story.
(DIR) Post #AUGzdtixMTzqrluh16 by special-boy@poa.st
2023-04-03T11:11:54.136937Z
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@Aether @SuperSnekFriend @ceo_of_monoeye_dating What is the joke behind 8 being the largest even prime?
(DIR) Post #AUGzfT61Kp56rORyvw by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:12:11.096233Z
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@special-boy @Aether @SuperSnekFriend Turn it on its side, it's infinity
(DIR) Post #AUH01avUu1slW44x0q by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-04-03T11:16:10.912583Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo >CMD is a celebrity on the Fedi:naruhodonotes:
(DIR) Post #AUH0GnuitiZq8jy9E8 by renai@eientei.org
2023-04-03T11:18:55.489767Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo cmd's a celebrity in my heart
(DIR) Post #AUH0KTPP4qzvhd4M40 by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-04-03T11:19:34Z
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> CMD as niche internet microcelebrity> SnekFren taking notesWait up! I need to get that all written down... It might be on the test.:02_naruhodo:
(DIR) Post #AUH1T7bvahXGeqcCgK by Quentel@nicecrew.digital
2023-04-03T11:32:20.869462Z
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There is a lot going on with that story. It’s not even necessary to have inside information to be able to read into some of what’s happening.
(DIR) Post #AUH261bdqkTVKR226a by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:39:23.244970Z
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@Quentel @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend You're not wrong that it's possible to read into it a bit, but I'll also add that before I wrote that up a good chunk of people in this thread were putting this on Donnelly's teaching. Just because it's possible doesn't mean people will succeed.
(DIR) Post #AUH2RCDxZEh2LD39yy by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:43:13.064065Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @roboneko @MK2boogaloo "I have a few hundred followers""HOLY SHIT HUNDREDS? I can only get like 2 or 3 on Twitter!"He just doesn't get that it's different over here.
(DIR) Post #AUH2nPnhlqTWopMeNE by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:47:13.696564Z
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@roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend He's just shitty at social media, I think. :yui_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AUH36CiKePOrjWoJF2 by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2023-04-03T11:50:37.607304Z
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@roboneko @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @MK2boogaloo It won't, hopefully. The lack of proactive followers on Twitter comes from an engineered lack of an engagement that pushes views and highlighted posts a certain direction, which the Fediverse lacks.The only thing that would stifle healthy engagement is instances defeding from everyone else, like the pro-tranny Mastodong instances.
(DIR) Post #AUH3U2tQogTqDxN2jw by KonataWagner@mugicha.club
2023-04-03T11:54:56.357517Z
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Come for the chill vibes and strange anime art, stay for the insight into academia that I otherwise wouldn't have
(DIR) Post #AUH3qxSz9sew3QvUIq by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T11:59:04.690098Z
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@KonataWagner @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend A lot of the above is specific to the Purdue Math Department. That department in particular is a shitshow, even when compared to other departments in the same university.
(DIR) Post #AUH64nJDv6jaVw5MZM by jmw150@poa.st
2023-04-03T12:23:59.717406Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @KonataWagner @SuperSnekFriend Yep. Lifeless cubical building and a lot of stupid people.
(DIR) Post #AUHj2kkINNOMCHlXBw by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-04-03T19:40:35.953748Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend most people I know on twitter have 10-30 followers and yet their #1 reason they won't come here is they won't get any followers
(DIR) Post #AUHjlMIy5p2dQWFlc8 by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-04-03T19:48:39.125410Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @roboneko that and some of them genuinely like arguing with retards. I don't understand it. The old saying about playing chess with a pigeon exists for a reason.
(DIR) Post #AUHnjEHzK9yXnt2EU4 by ai@cawfee.club
2023-04-03T20:33:05.087831Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend Thank you for sharing this CMD. The optics of this are terrible, regardless of what the facts are. That said, I can completely believe your buddy's account. Some scattered thoughts: The student newspaper had an easy job. Even surface-level research reveals a lot, thanks to Fefferman who compiled all the relevant emails: https://web.math.princeton.edu/~cf/ This reminds me a little bit of the only non-fiction book on my favorite books list, which is "Case Study in Correction" by Serge Lang - it's another story of one mathematician against the bureaucracy. What I found most egregious was Appendix 15, where the department head tells Donnelly that his "research outline" wasn't good enough and cannot be "validated." (pic 1) This strikes me as the most demeaning thing you could do to a research mathematician, forcing him to submit a research outline as if he was doing some high school project being overseen by a meddling "research coordinator." I have recurring nightmares about being in high school again, or being forced to return there, and it really feels like Donnelly is living my nightmare. At the same link you can find Fefferman's own email to Purdue administration. It is a fantastic specimen of acerbic writing. Clearly what Fefferman takes the greatest issue with is that the department head LIED about threatening to cut his salary to zero when confronted about it. That alone is an indictment of character - fucking snake. Sounds like it's over for Purdue's math department. I don't see how their reputation can recover, counting this and all the earlier scandals (Edray Goins) that you mentioned. A quick search ( https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Harold-Donnelly-2005409501 ) suggests that Donnelly last published in 1997, but he also published 60 papers apparently, which is not below average for anyone's career. Irena Swanson only lists 53 papers ( https://www.math.purdue.edu/~iswanso/papers.html ) - of course quality is a different story and I don't have the time or expertise to judge. That said, the issues your buddy talked about seem to be a difference in degree and not in kind. I think all math departments are *kind of* like that, but I can believe that Purdue is particularly (irreparably?) bad. The one thing that strikes me as unusual is that the department head was hired from outside. Afaik, the usual practice is to assign the position to faculty members on a rotating basis, say in 3-year terms, because (like you said) nobody wants to do it. If their own faculty aren't willing to even do that, then they have a terminal case of "good people not giving a shit." Same thing as with politics, community service, gun ownership, etc. etc. I get the hate for intellectuals, I really do. There's a lot of arrogant pricks in research, and the overall quality of teaching is abysmal because nobody gives a fuck. Many young people suffer for it. But it also seems obvious to me that a culture which cannot produce good math is a culture in decline, IN THE SAME WAY as the dearth of good video games is a canary in a coal mine. Oh also, I've heard that Princeton math profs are 100x more, shall we say, based and redpilled than you'd think. Doesn't surprise me at all that a Princeton guy is leading the charge here.
(DIR) Post #AUHsffX8aVy0ufF6Js by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T21:28:27.023017Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend Thanks for responding - of the people around, I think that you're the one who would take the most interest in it.>The student newspaper had an easy jobYou're not wrong, but digging deeper than that is certainly beyond them. I do love to take stabs at journalists, but I also will hold back for less-than-professional journalists.>"Case Study in Correction" by Serge Lang - it's another story of one mathematician against the bureaucracy.I'll have to read it - I know of Lang's Algebra textbook, but had not ever heard of this.>If their own faculty aren't willing to even do that, then they have a terminal case of "good people not giving a shit."My buddy notes that there are about 5-6 professors who end up taking all of the graduate students for this reason. One is near-retirement, and another is a raging alcoholic.>Doesn't surprise me at all that a Princeton guy is leading the charge here.Fefferman and Donnelly have been collaborators for some time. Thinking about that chunk in terms of institute seems wrong - it seems more natural to see this as "Fefferman is stepping in for a friend" than anything else.My buddy genuinely hopes Purdue's math department doesn't recover. My understanding is that the last "really amazing" professor (De Branges) from there retired somewhat recently, and the others are about to follow him out. Donnelly *should* be making the effort to retire from Purdue, but being forced out like this is an insult.
(DIR) Post #AUHskNLBehuPw9tgES by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T21:29:20.481281Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend >the others are about to follow him outShould be "the other good ones are about to..."
(DIR) Post #AUHsl228MS1u8wIXj6 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-04-03T21:29:27.929542Z
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@RustyCrab @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend >post anime girls>???>profit
(DIR) Post #AUHspIRnHDQ4CyKlNI by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T21:30:13.490948Z
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@RustyCrab @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend >that and some of them genuinely like arguing with retards.That's what TWKN is for
(DIR) Post #AUHwCdw1qsV1NFIfwG by ai@cawfee.club
2023-04-03T22:08:04.375285Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend No problem - it's an interesting bit of drama for sure, and quite chilling. Your responses are well taken. Yeah Fefferman is definitely acting as a friend here, and I think it's admirable that he has the courage to do so, but I guess a Fields medalist also has little to be afraid of. I don't know much about De Branges or the rest of Purdue's math faculty, but I always thought it was cool that De Branges was making a serious attempt to prove the Riemann Hypothesis. Unfortunately an earlier version of his proof was debunked and then his recent attempts have been ignored, it looks like. I agree that it is probably in Donnelly's best interest to retire, but not at all for the reasons the department head thinks!
(DIR) Post #AUI2FcZBzlNhiwQDc8 by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T23:15:49.647398Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend De Branges is famous for proving Bieberbach...So yeah, Riemann is the kind of thing you tackle after that, because if you manage that kind of thing then you just go after the biggest baddest asshole around and start swinging.Tagging in more people who I should've tagged in the first time - no offense to those who I've delayed tagging in:@Elliptica @jeffcliff @clora (Clora does not seem to be around, but this is actually more critical for them as this should be impacting their immediate choices.)
(DIR) Post #AUI4jwUOgggS6nlUVk by MischievousuTomatosu@boks.moe
2023-04-03T23:43:18.785087Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating math nerds btfo
(DIR) Post #AUI4jx10jQltjx1XLU by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T23:43:43.644311Z
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@MischievousuTomatosu Go read the rest of the thread bro, there's a lot going on here that's not on the headline.
(DIR) Post #AUI512eJ2SRY8UYN7Y by MischievousuTomatosu@boks.moe
2023-04-03T23:46:49.329766Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend you: i wanna fuck girls who only have one eyeyour buddy: you're an eceleb, right? cmd?
(DIR) Post #AUI5Ig5NfQXfMycvZI by MischievousuTomatosu@boks.moe
2023-04-03T23:47:42.210942Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating i was just dhitpodting
(DIR) Post #AUI5Wdp0si0mOzd5Hs by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T23:52:31.650837Z
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@jmw150 @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @KonataWagner @SuperSnekFriend Oh, that math building has plenty of life.Wildlife, that is.By that I mean bats.
(DIR) Post #AUI5ZPBxjOyRtggKIa by clora@rot.gives
2023-04-03T23:52:41.544426Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @ai @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @jeffcliffi'm only in my 2nd year of undergraduate studies, so this isn't super salient—plus, purdue has never crossed my mind.moreover, a career in mathematics per se isn't what i'm headed toward regardless—if i do end up in grad school v. just private sector work, it'll be in some sort of applied logics, PLs, type theory, etc. and very likely outside the US—the college i'm attending right now is... unpleasant, and I trace a lot of the reasons for that to *some* of the same cultural factors you point to in the rest of the thread, though there are other contributing circumstances—and this is at a respected institution. i shudder to think how much worse things will get, even in the next couple years.actually thinking through the possibility of studying abroad for a bit rn, we'll see. but, yeah. not too many immediate choices for me to make rn aside from my courses for next semester (required abstract algebra, a required analysis course, and a topics course in information theory and probability applied to learning theory, i think.... on the maths front).regardless im doing my best to avoid being dragged down in The Decline. wish i had better mentorship/oversight in that regard—and i appreciate this being pointed out/appreciate you thinking of me, even if its not super immediate rn. i think ill be okay.and—yeah, i'm not around, just logged in to respond to this since i was told you were looking for me. you can get in touch with me on matrix (ask errante for my info) if you'd like to share anything in the future.im gonna go back to nervously awaiting replies to internship applications with a three-year hole in my cv since i last worked . - .
(DIR) Post #AUI5qZe67LgpF41osC by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-03T23:56:07.731424Z
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@clora @roboneko @ai @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @jeffcliff Oh, I thought you were further ahead than you are - I thought you were in your 4th or 5th year. I'm glad to know that you're going to be OK, I just wanted to make sure this was in your mind as a "please avoid here" thing.
(DIR) Post #AUICJyOJnDUI6z37xY by clora@rot.gives
2023-04-04T01:08:20.333998Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @ai @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @jeffcliff people tend to arrive at that misconception because ive done some unusually nontrivial work that i talk about a fair amount, completely independent from academia
(DIR) Post #AUIwVeEjbESQwoWnr6 by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-04T09:46:12.767928Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @Elliptica @jeffcliff @clora I didn't know this had been made public, but I guess it is now.https://archive.is/eP15VI'm gonna bug my buddy to see if he knows which professors were against the motion of no confidence - there were six abstentions and four "against" votes. Without thinking too hard, it wouldn't be shocking if the two tenured professors who are in multiple departments abstained. It would be very odd if Swanson was neither an abstention nor an "against" vote.I note that if the vote was split along gender lines, it adds up - but I find this extremely unlikely given that one of the women is in more than one department, and a vote by her either way is likely to be seen as interdepartmental meddling.image.png
(DIR) Post #AUJXK3PXsAHDqyv4a0 by Elliptica@poa.st
2023-04-04T16:38:42.715866Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @ai @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff This is a crazy story, thanks for sharing this.I actually saw something similar happen in my department, though unfortunately I don't have all of the details available on exactly what happened, so a lot of this was what I picked up on.The gist of the story was that a professor was not publishing as many papers as the department wanted. He must not have been tenured, as he was fired. However it was a shame because he was a universally liked professor. He was an excellent teacher, incredibly smart, willing to teach rather obscure and difficult subjects that don't get taught often (such as General Relativity). Nearly all of the students liked him, so I would have thought that keeping someone like him, at least on certain accommodations, would have been a benefit to the department.Instead they replaced him with two women. The first was this Australian Asian woman with the biggest chip in the world on her shoulder. Her story was that she worked at NRAO, got passed on for a promotion (which she openly says she believes was because of either racism or sexism), and left in protest. She only teaches intro physics classes, and does not do any research herself. It's all a big joke. I don't know much about the other women other than she has the worse studded in the world, is constantly nervous, and isn't very friendly.
(DIR) Post #AUJk7D6joAkdZCKQbY by ai@cawfee.club
2023-04-04T19:02:01.873331Z
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@Elliptica @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff Thanks for the update, CMD. I agree with your take on the voting lines, and I'd be interested to hear if your buddy gets back to you. The one woman tenured prof who is in more than one department - Mireille Boutin - is only teaching "ECE" courses rn, and she was first hired there (according to her bio), so it does make sense if she were to abstain on a vote by the math department. Her personal website has a quirk and I don't know what to make of it. https://engineering.purdue.edu/~mboutin/Index.html If you click on the link to the ECE department "Elmore Family School of Electrical and Computer Engineering", it takes you to the ... Apple website? Like the tech company. Weird. --- Something else about the article which struck me - after the faculty gave their no-confidence vote, this happened: "It didn’t take long for Swanson to reply. After acting Dean Jean Chmielewski and Flesch said they and the university have full trust in her, Swanson sent an email to voting faculty that she will continue serving as head." This is a lot worse than just having to replace one department head who has gone rogue. I realize that the math dept itself is not blameless, but who would want to be at a university whose top-level admins are like this? (Perhaps they are like that everywhere) --- Elliptica, that story is a shame, I'm sorry it happened. So much value is destroyed in academia for such stupid reasons. I made a little illustration of your story - may god forgive me.
(DIR) Post #AUJqrh0pYSgXMP74bY by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-04-04T20:17:40.282594Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff >The one woman tenured prof who is in more than one department - Mireille Boutin -I was talking about Kaufmann, actually - Boutin is not tenured.>This is a lot worse than just having to replace one department head who has gone rogue.I agree. It's *even* worse because Swanson now knows exactly who opposes her - almost every tenured professor.
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2023-04-04T20:18:26.289011Z
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@Elliptica @roboneko @ai @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff A similar thing happened at my undergrad institution. This happens somewhat often - teaching is devalued in favor of research, and the value of research is subjective.
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2023-04-04T20:26:57.237761Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff Boutin is only an associate professor, but she claims to have tenure in her website bio https://engineering.purdue.edu/~mboutin/bio.html (see pic)For the four woman profs, I assumed you meant Boutin, Min Chen, Kaufmann, Torres. I'm a retard so it totally slipped my mind that Swanson herself must be a tenured prof too. I'd expect that she would have been forced to abstain from voting.
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2023-04-04T21:56:38.431005Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @Elliptica @SuperSnekFriend @clora @jeffcliff Oh, that's odd. Perhaps she means that she's tenure track? Either way, Boutin *also* should have abstained, for above stated reasons.I see no reason for Swanson to have accepted being made to abstain from voting if the higher ups have her back. It's atrocious optics.
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2023-04-09T05:25:02.518846Z
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@ai @roboneko @MK2boogaloo @SuperSnekFriend @Elliptica @jeffcliff @clora >I'm gonna bug my buddy to see if he knows which professors were against the motion of no confidenceThis is my last followup on this, I'll be unpinning this in a while.I *think* that this vote is being kept quiet - REAL quiet. I suspect that nobody other than the professors know how the vote went, and they're keeping it silent - as in, "don't even tell trusted colleagues or collaborators" level. Old students are being kept out of the loop, collaborators are being kept out of the loop...it's pretty crazy.It might leak out after someone retires, but I doubt it given the characters of those who are about to retire.