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(DIR) Post #AU8C9DpAa799ywQv8S by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-29T16:10:21Z
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Pundits keep on being astonished that the former president repeats actions that are illegal, objectively harmful, inciting violence--- but I think the "logic" (such as it is) is that if it was not wrong then, then why should it be wrong now? "I'll f-in do it again!"Basically.Repeating these actions and *again* not facing any justice serves to "prove" that is it permitted.That is why the glacial pace and inaction of our justice system may well end this little experiment in democracy.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9ELQeAx1azWgPw by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T16:37:07Z
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@futurebird Bingo!Nixon didn't go to prison.Ford wasn't immediately impeached for pardoning Nixon.Reagan didn't go to prison.Bush I didn't go to prison.Bush II didn't go to prison.Each and every step along the way, Democrats, Republicans, and the mainstream media told us that it would be “too disruptive” to have the rule of law.So we made Trump inevitable by declaring that Republican presidents are above the law.I would say losing the republic would be “disruptive.”
(DIR) Post #AU8C9F93feeM4ukJm4 by sphinx@vmst.io
2023-03-29T17:12:21Z
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@tofugolem @futurebird Very nicely put. We have a long line of Republican presidents who attempted to undermine democracy, up to and including collaborating with hostile foreign nations. None of them ever faced meaningful consequences. Trump was not only inevitable, he's not even the end point — the next Republican attempt to subvert or nullify elections will be even more blatant.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9FVkJInXDHMR8a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-29T16:14:33Z
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Listen. If I walk up to you and start eating your french fries. And you say "stop it those are mine!" but then I eat several more, and no one stops me they aren't your fries anymore are they?At some point you need to act-- or concede that I can take whatever I want.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9FzWWacKhdIDYG by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-29T17:28:40Z
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@sphinx @tofugolem @futurebird the so-called other side is not better. Clinton had a bunch of scandals including money from China. Al Gore contested an election and tried to do selective recounts, until the Supreme Court shot him down. And the D party was responsible for a really big insurrection in the 19th century. I could go on.The parties do not represent competing moral principles. They represent competing collections of interests. They are just rival gangs.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9GMv7bKfsCEu1I by sphinx@vmst.io
2023-03-29T17:26:52Z
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@tofugolem @futurebird Also, I get frustrated when people counter "But none of those attempts WORKED."First, some of those attempts may well have worked — like Nixon pressuring South Vietnam to walk away from the peace negotiations so Tricky Dick could campaign on "getting tough" in the war.Just ask the CIA: When you do election tampering right, nobody's sure you've done anything at all.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9GQSuQAU3BtjXs by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T23:34:21Z
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@mike805 @sphinx @futurebird Dear Mikey-poo,So you're telling me that a string of Republican presidents didn’t break the law because you believe the conspiracy theories from the official Republican propaganda safe-space?Buwahahahahahahaha!You’re just adorable.First, if your response to an accusation is to accuse someone else of something else, you just confessed to the original accusation. Look up “tu quoque” fallacy some day. Why do you people suck at logic?1/2
(DIR) Post #AU8C9GyqqZfplpzC8u by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-29T23:38:53Z
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@tofugolem @sphinx @futurebird actually I think the whole system, and all Republican and Democratic presidents, break the law every day.Anyone who thinks there are good guys in American politics (outside of the occasional local politician who has not been through the filter yet) doesn't get it.America is just the strong arm of a financial cartel. The British used to perform this function once, but now it is the USA. It is a criminal enterprise, not a government.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9HVos02rQ5PWWu by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T23:40:26Z
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@mike805 @sphinx @futurebird Yes, yes. You’re trying to use the “but both sides” argument to defend the criminality of Republican presidents. We’ve heard this song before, and I already explained why the logic is completely flaccid.But keep trying, little guy. Maybe if you repeat yourself often enough, you can turn bad logic into good logic, because that’s how truth works if you were raised in a household that didn’t teach you to value education.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9HYIim1vXmZVOi by sphinx@vmst.io
2023-03-29T17:27:26Z
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@tofugolem @futurebird Second, systemic safeguards are like a Jenga tower. Removing a piece doesn't mean that piece was unnecessary — you have a tower that is gradually more and more unstable, until it collapses all at once. But it wasn't really that last piece that knocked over the tower; it was the slow but constant erosion of stability.Republicans will continue pushing the "Well, THAT piece obviously wasn't important!" as long as we continue to allow it.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9Hzx3y9EvXVaUq by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T23:35:35Z
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@mike805 @sphinx @futurebird Second, the people feeding you those conspiracy theories about the “criminality” of Democratic presidents are the same people who recently confessed in a court of law, under oath, that they lie to you and that they think you are morons for believing them. This is why the whole world is laughing at you right now.Again.2/2
(DIR) Post #AU8C9I38s6hT5R08TA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-29T23:49:31Z
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@tofugolem @mike805 @sphinx It would be wrong to put all of this on Republicans. I will give you that, but please don't make the rather lazy conclusion that there is no substantive difference between the results we see when each party has power. It's easy to see both are sub-optimal but equally obvious they they are radically different and in one case there are signs that there is the desire to end the entire democratic experiment.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9Iaoqtdelsl1xg by pleaseclap@urbanists.social
2023-03-30T00:23:54Z
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@futurebird @tofugolem @mike805 @sphinx I just don't agree with that phrasing, because the DNC isn't at all maintaining "the entire democratic experiment". That's rhetoric - it's spin. The outcomes speak for themselves: the government's agenda isn't driven by voter representation - it's dictated by donor representation. The donors get what they want, the voters don't, and being connected to the party means you can act with impunity. It's not the DNC's mission to change that
(DIR) Post #AU8C9J9YljQaVd0m6y by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T03:34:01Z
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@pleaseclap @futurebird @mike805 @sphinx True, but at least the Democratic party is less fascist than Republicans. So there's that.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9JgWn9nc9sR6Uy by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T05:02:24Z
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@tofugolem @pleaseclap @futurebird @sphinx yes they are less Fascist. That's the good news.The bad news is they are a lot more Bolshevik. And not just Bernie. It seems like half their talking points come from the Communist Manifesto.Sometimes I think we are watching the run-up to the Spanish Civil War, or perhaps the Kampfzeit, repeating as farce (the first time being tragedy!)Does it really have to be a choice between Communism and Fascism?
(DIR) Post #AU8C9KDqnGSDpE1iRE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:06:09Z
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@mike805 So having strong unions is communism? Kinda watering down the meaning of that word I fear.Likewise social democracy is a stop gap measure to preserve capitalism by addressing the areas where markets fail.Communism is a totally different system.If you don't like the idea of a free market and schools and government health care, fine, but calling it communism is an old anti-union tactic and nothing more.
(DIR) Post #AU8C9KwW7CBQ3kvO3k by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:19:29Z
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@futurebird Self organizing unions are great. But when you have the democrats pushing for "right to work" laws where people are **forced** into unions against their will then yea, its stsrting to creep a bit too close to communism.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8CNQ5ZmL9Q4esRsm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:22:07Z
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@freemo @mike805 Uh. It's the *Republicans* who push for "right to work" laws because they are effective at breaking up unions which are basically gone except for some corners of the public sector. And look what's happened to wages.
(DIR) Post #AU8CvF1rPDBBcOGajA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:28:14Z
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@futurebird Actually your right. I misunderstood the meaning of rigbt to work laws and after reading on it now i was mistaken.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8DDSAPIXqdZpwrIG by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T05:31:34Z
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@freemo @futurebird that was not an accident. The term is supposed to be confusing.
(DIR) Post #AU8DK3VTNmif7bwxPc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:32:43Z
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@mike805 @futurebird Well to rephrase the democrats **oppose** right tonwork acts, which would allow workers to have the freedom to decide if they want to join a union or not, as opposed to being forced to joining a union against their will.
(DIR) Post #AU8E1BSPhL7GET5Gt6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:40:31Z
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@freemo @mike805 "allow workers to have the freedom to decide if they want to join a union or not"IDK this isn't what they seem to really do. Have you ever seen some of the things that happen when you try to "choose" to start a union in a company that isn't fully unionized?Can you see some of the natural conflicts that might arise? (Such as getting fired for joining the union.)
(DIR) Post #AU8EQySMeoAtRMMJJA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:45:10Z
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@futurebird Absolutely, and i am all for laws that might address those concerns. I think there should be strong anti union busting laws for sure. But in the end employees shoukd have a right to decide how and if to join a union.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8EXjrLKM7MCAGfui by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:46:24Z
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@futurebird Keep in mind these union agreements thst force employees into unions also stop employees from starting competing unions that might serve the employees better as well.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8Ef9G1IRaQzcLMbQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:47:44Z
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@freemo @mike805 I wish that was a problem I ever had. Seriously.
(DIR) Post #AU8F2Sp4idDmKmrGMK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:51:57Z
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@futurebird I know id never join a union but i support the right of others to... i am responsible for all hiring and firing at my company. I once had to lay everyone off for 3 months. I specifically encouraged them to unionize to negotiate better share compensation for that. I am pro union, i think its in employees best interest. But id also never want to be in one myself.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8FKCT8GFGmpH3GsK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:55:08Z
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@freemo @mike805 "I think there should be strong anti union busting laws for sure."That's going to take ... SO MANY laws to be effective. And there are already provisions to not deal with unions. It's hard to start a new one, but it's pretty easy to take an existing union over, replace the leadership. I've seen that done. You get to vote on every damn thing.But most importantly the *purpose* of right to work laws is to destroy unions. They didn't add anything with them to do what you say.
(DIR) Post #AU8FNUt4ErEEomkrce by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T05:47:58Z
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@futurebird @freemo @mike805 It is, as always, another corporate propaganda piece, and a staggeringly effective one at that. In my experience, the only pressure there is to join a union is because, without it, the corporate thumb will continue to push down until I'm just a tiny little squished blob. That vaunted 'pressure' to join comes from the investor class, which wants us to conform to its every dehumanizing whim and then gets shocked and appalled when we finally say 'no!'.
(DIR) Post #AU8FNVPKIv26Qpqcu8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T05:50:23Z
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@theogrin @freemo @mike805 When I first became a teacher I found out union membership was mandatory. And being an annoying iconoclast I asked if I could opt out. Turned out I could! Though that would mean that if I was fired without good cause or broke my neck... no help from the union. So I stopped being peevish and joined. Recently my union rep called me and helped me fix my pension (so I'll get one after all)It was awesome to have people looking our for me.
(DIR) Post #AU8FNVvaMypy2swOBc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:55:43Z
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@futurebird Unions are great. No one in thr conversation, even me, the evil investor class, is pro union... so long as workers can choose to leave the union and nonunion workers have the same chance of being hired as union then it has my support.@theogrin @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8FVodegfUyOPVqEq by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T05:49:31Z
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@theogrin @futurebird @freemo can you FEEL the panic of the investor class, with COVID and work-from-home and quiet quitting and the general resistance of a lot of people building?This is the American equivalent of the Asian "lying down flat" movement.
(DIR) Post #AU8FVpHMJ3G2NY5Y7k by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T05:55:30Z
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@mike805 @futurebird @freemo The very Noble, self-perpetuating myth of the investor class being somehow above the rest of us is crumbling like a block of blue cheese, albeit as slowly as any social progress moves. You can read the panic in every Financial Times article about how moving back to the office is utterly essential.(Once read an article that said long commutes are a good thing, and my eyes rolled right out of my skull, out of the apartment, and briefly joined an prog-rock band.)
(DIR) Post #AU8FVrlZ3ibk5oEhU0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:57:14Z
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@theogrin As an investor class i am also probablh one of the biggest pushers of work from home and think offices for many jobs are outdated and pointless.I think your confusing a broken media with investors, many of us dont think like that.@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8FkFV5c1RLl1O8e0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T05:59:52Z
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@futurebird Doing things the right way isnt always easy, i agree it would probably take a lot of reform. But its better than taking away peoples rights. But as hou probably know our government really doesnt function well enough to do things the right way, so what can we even do i guess.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8G02Bms4hl6et2ye by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:02:44Z
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@freemo @mike805 @futurebird There is that, and I'm glad you're on the WFH side, but a great deal of what I've seen implies that a plurality of investors are chasing a short-term profit over long-term goals, particularly in venture capital. The long tail is, to stretch a metaphor, being stomped on.And okay, in the interest of fairness, the aforementioned article about commutes was written by a real estate developer, an opinion piece which was nearly universally derided.
(DIR) Post #AU8G4QGpHOLwx3Kuau by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:03:31Z
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@freemo @mike805 No one is clamoring for this "right" but people who own companies and republicans (and some democrats)It's a red haring and your concern is at least misplaced if not something worse.
(DIR) Post #AU8GHfSE8aIRo9z6qe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:05:53Z
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@theogrin I think its hard to classify all of us investors into one bucket. There are of course many who focus on short term gains, and for many investors thst may cost them their support in the long run. But i think youll find investors and the rich are so monolithic and do t fit the stereo type of the oil tycoon archtype as much as youd imagine@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8GPO5mZZxMHGARrk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:07:16Z
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@futurebird Thats probably more due to the circles you keep than an honest sampling of the public... there are tons of industries not known for having unions and that is directly due to the tendency for members of that community specifically not wanting them.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8Gb2UCjIUWk599Ae by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:09:21Z
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@freemo @mike805 I've worked in union-free industries and it's better with a union. It's even better if you work in an industry and your competitor has unions. Just having things like no secret wages is massive. Though the kids these days just make a google spreadsheet for that. I've seen that step alone do wonders.
(DIR) Post #AU8GhRUyeA043RYrzc by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:06:39Z
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@freemo @mike805 @futurebird To further expand, the short term profit to which I refer is less a financial one here, but a metaphorical -- the idea of micromanagement and the sunk cost of office spaces frequently lead companies to prioritize those things, doubling down when they should instead discard, in a vain attempt at recouping what they've invested in. Never happening, of course, but you can only lead a horse to the watering hole.
(DIR) Post #AU8GhS1EiDnvfUedH6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:10:33Z
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@theogrin I suspect your thinking more about the old-money type investors or even just boomer investors in general. They tend to be old fashioned and stuck in their ways which is more the issue than anything else. Many of the younger investors, really almost anyone under 50, is going to have much more modern kind of thinking in my expierence.@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8GntNhtNrEGjEiC8 by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:11:45Z
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@freemo (Snipping others from this reply thread.)I'll grant you that it's entirely too easy to put everyone into one bucket. By the standards of today, I lucked into a set of IRAs, so I'm technically in there too.For clarity, I refer primarily to the variety of investor and shareholder who prefers an eternal, money-now growth rather than a comfortable blue chip investment, and whose decisions ultimately lead to the company's cratering and dissolution. Though long-termers are also a prob.
(DIR) Post #AU8Gx0orbiIFwZHsSu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:13:22Z
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@futurebird Depends on the industry... for tech ive seen no secret wages completely destroy a company. You loose all the people who are your top players and left with a very mediocre and under performing group... i tech you always need those few people who are miles ahead of the crowd (and paid for it) fixing the problems no one else can while everyone else does the bulk of tbe busy work... this dynamic isnt as critical in many other i dustries so you can get by with open wages without it being a company killer@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8H8HiJ8RNnWeb0nA by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:15:25Z
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@freemo (Snipping reply-tos)Many of the younger investors are falling victim to the same follies as the old, though, and in droves. Crypto was them trying to reinvent the wheel, and you've seen how that went. A lot are trying to figure out how to fix the office, a paradigm which ignores how the very idea of the office might not actually be that good after all.
(DIR) Post #AU8HAegGiO63KtlxWS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:15:50Z
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@theogrin There is no shortage of investors who cause harm... if we narrow the criteria down then surely there are tons of bad apples. I just felt its important to note there are a great many investors out there who care about all the stakeholders and are doing their best to do whats right for everyone.
(DIR) Post #AU8HBNE95nL5UhxdR2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:15:58Z
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@freemo @mike805 I was being paid 1/3 of what everyone else made at the web dev company I worked at until we set up a spreadsheet. I was also doing more work than anyone.
(DIR) Post #AU8HSGoADBG8VbrgR6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:19:01Z
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@futurebird People are paid by their skill not the amou t of work they do, but that aside i cant speak to your situatio or skills. I also dont know how hard you negotiated for your pay. Perhaps you just werent a touvh negotiator and you got low balled.My first job at 15 as a programmer paid me 100k, ive never been paid less than that a day in my life. But companies tried and i always negotiated a good pay in the end if i demanded what i was worth, i also always made sure to interview at 30 places at a time so i coukd have tons of competing offers.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8HTzNbyqb72FGUPA by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:19:22Z
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@freemo I hate the bad apple metaphor. Bad apples should be excised, otherwise they spoil the whole barrel.Good investors are all over the place, people who are morally and fiscally responsible, and who care*. But the system as designed actively incentivizes bad actors, and those are the ones who seem to hold the most weight.Though I'm of the opinion that we're back to a patronage system, which is its own can of worms.
(DIR) Post #AU8HbjkZyUB2sThbqS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:20:46Z
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@freemo @mike805 I'm terrible at negotiating. But when I knew I was being short changed (co-workers were shocked and angry) I was able to do much better.
(DIR) Post #AU8Hcf0r4e44TSkucy by Homebrewandhacking@mastodon.ie
2023-03-30T06:16:45Z
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@futurebirdYour patience at dealing with these absurd people is impressive. The description of the Democrats as "bolsheviks" is chatgpt levels of fabrication and hallucination. Employees being "forced" to join unions. As though there is no point to collective bargaining. *smh*I'm blocking the pair of them because I can't abide the prattle. @freemo @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8HcfeYh1p8SbKcVs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:20:53Z
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@Homebrewandhacking Lol what a moron.. cant even have an adult conversation without announci g to everyone your blocking people for dari g to have an opinion that isnt a kirror image of your own... luckily everyone else in this conversation is mature and can have a productive discussion.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8HlCHpFMxhzHlR1U by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:22:27Z
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@futurebird Yea if your not a strong negotiator you will likely get pretty badly taken advantage of. No doubt youd have a huge advantage with open salaries, but on the flipside disadvantage to the strong negotiators or those with exceptional skills well above the mean.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8Hqpg0DuffbKlAf2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:23:28Z
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@freemo @mike805 Why should people who are good at negotiating be paid more? Shouldn't it be able the value of the work?
(DIR) Post #AU8Hr5VFNfZggbqo7M by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:23:32Z
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@theogrin yea well sadly in most things in life the people who dont have morals the shackle them down will likely have the most to gain... less rules to slow ya down.
(DIR) Post #AU8I4Z8SWG5CM1cPfE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:25:56Z
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@futurebird Well its sorta doubke ended.. with an ope wage system everyone is driven closer to the mean, so the poor negotiators bring everyone elses wage down too.Ideally people would learn to be better negotiators, perhaps teach and train it in school, but ideals arent reality either.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8IG7vTVcj3RO3fTE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:27:58Z
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@freemo @mike805 A good manager wouldn't set wages that would lead to everyone being shocked if they found out. It's a bad move.
(DIR) Post #AU8IRVwcY78R7O1YH2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:30:05Z
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@futurebird Thats true as well. Though there are tools that tell you what a normal wage is for a specific job and skill level. So everyone involved knows when someone is low balled even without open wages.I myself beleive that s good employee is worth paying a fair wage because thats how you get good loyal work out of ghem.@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8IXPDEUYIdybbTLE by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:31:10Z
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@freemo A rule, if not acted upon when (not if) it is violated, is no rule at all.A part of what needs to be done here is for bad actors to stop being allowed to convince others that lax rules are better for them. We just saw what happened with SVB and the like.But to bring it back to the original topic: positing that healthy workers provide more benefit to companies than ill ones, unions exist in part for the benefit of precluding said bad actors from causing harm to everyone.
(DIR) Post #AU8Iftgr3mXConVYXY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:32:41Z
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@theogrin unions have tons of benefits, as i said i stro gly support the existance of unions... im just against scenarios where people are forced into one specific union rather than having the right to choose how and if to unionize.
(DIR) Post #AU8JAZk9GvIvvng2jo by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-03-30T06:32:04Z
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@futurebird @freemo @mike805 Those special tech people? They suck for team coherency.And no, you don't need them.What you need are people able to work together. Most of the time, those special overpaid people in tech do deliver great stuff - but also great failures.Their tendency is to do the cool thing and put it on their CV, then move on to the next cool thing while everyone else cleans up after them.They waste more time than anything.
(DIR) Post #AU8JAaj7cE4qyuCjmC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:38:09Z
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@jens Nothing can be further from the truth... without those exceptional people you ru into bugs and problems that are simply u solvable by anyone in the team. Ove seen it countless times.. hell i am that person, i get hired on teams thst have not had a top expert for their lifetime and so riddled with issues the code barely runs. Then after a few months of working there the products can finally be usable again and im paid accordingly.I came in as a tech expert at my current company. Great group of folks but they were small and lacked a "guru".. spent 3 years trying to build a product but coukd t crack it. They needed to design a device able to detect covid off of the chamicals in someonea breath... after 3 years they were in the mid 70% on accuracy and just coukdnt break the 80% mark thry needed to crack in all thst time.. i came in, toom me a week to figure out why and 3 months to throw away all theirncode and start over. When i was done we had 91%.Now dont get me wrong we needed the whole team, and now that i run the company i push for them all getting raises and treated fairly.. but with out a top paid expert like me the company woukd have never stoof a chance.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8JAnIervdJyavHpg by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-03-30T06:35:42Z
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@futurebird @freemo @mike805 But guess what?The myth of these amazing people helps two groups: a) people who can position themselves as such an amazing person, and b) the business, which can then justify keeping everyone else's wages so much lower in comparison.And if that's not enough, do a round of layoffs for underperformers. That'll realign people to believe in the myth.(Been on both sides of that divide, FWIW)
(DIR) Post #AU8JDWv8DvpE2rDtlQ by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:38:47Z
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@freemo How is that much different from a bloc on a board of directors and shareholders employing voting fiat to take the company in a direction which a minority rightly sees as functionally bankrupt? (Squeenix, I'm looking at you here.)More principally, paying one's union dues typically also involves being provided with a voting share on how it acts. The Writers' Guild of America had to poll their members to see how they would move.Unions as a monolithic bloc is ANOTHER propaganda bit.
(DIR) Post #AU8JG7hCStLQgGwXtw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:39:14Z
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@jens Ive saved far too many companies from failure and seen the neccesity of, well me, too many times to buy the fact thst im a myth, lol@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8JkTDV0zq279WOtU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:44:43Z
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@theogrin the difference is that there are protections in what an investor or a board can dictate, they are very limited... investors can not directly tell a board how to vote. Likewise a board can not tell a ceo how to operate the company with regard to day to day business. Thry are limited to only being allowed to decide on certain types of things, like allocating shares and other things.A union however has a lot more power, for example calling strikes.
(DIR) Post #AU8Ju69vb6hzUxRTiC by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:46:29Z
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@freemo Investors have withdrawal options, CEOs can make changes which are generally detrimental, and a board can, if nothing else, say, "Nope, you're not the CEO anymore."A strike is functionally the same power.
(DIR) Post #AU8JzocthGDorJic0u by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:47:29Z
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@jens Trust me when i say no one wants to pay my sort of fees, so usually by the tine im hired or gurus in general (as they call us in tech) its a last minute desperate attempt when they have no other choice. If we wetent a neccesity we wouldnt exist.And your right we do tend to be horrible for team dynamics, we have an ego and we are quite demanding and usually demand of people things thry dont want to do or object to... but in the end we save thr company and fix the roadblocks no one could. We woukd t keep getting hired if we didnt.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8K5dyKDqrVYJWK24 by sanae@carfree.city
2023-03-30T06:48:33Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805It's an extremely well known fact at this point that women are disproportionately penalized for negotiating, and probably people marginalized in other ways are as well. Negotiating salary mostly benefits people who are able to pretend to be more skilled than they actually are.
(DIR) Post #AU8KJdnLg3pf3d3oQq by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T06:51:06Z
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@freemo @jens @futurebird so basically your sort of coder is like an expensive convenience ATM, a helicopter taxi, or a payday advance.If you need it you need it and you're damn glad it's there. But if you find yourself needing it you probably planned badly. And if you need it frequently you're going broke!
(DIR) Post #AU8KMXoINvXhMgt6tk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:51:36Z
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@theogrin the difference is that a board can just fire a ceo, they have limitations i when and how, ceos have a level of autonomy. Just as a board has a certain level of autonomy against thrbinvestors that ellect them.
(DIR) Post #AU8KTc3gzK6uZHSahs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:52:52Z
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@sanae No doubt there is unfairness in hiring, but women are paid less in unions too, so those issues are less about unions.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8KdDulbr6UaBrsXY by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T06:54:38Z
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@freemo So here's my point.What's wrong with giving workers that autonomy?They certainly don't have it otherwise: a plurality of employed Americans desperately need their jobs for the basic human life which should be afforded by any civilized nation.Unions have to collectivize in order to carry any weight, whatsoever. They have to present a united front. They cannot be a dozen disparate groups, because a dozen ants can't do anything against a boot.
(DIR) Post #AU8Kdm70Sr62dzr8L2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:54:43Z
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@mike805 If a company is large enough they will usually have a guru on staff who hops projects and cracks heads to get things fixed and grease the wheels... their a neccesity simply becausr there are usually a few tough problems your average coder isnt equiped for.. usually time complexity issues where your average programer just isnt math/algprithms trained so is just not capable of solving it.@jens @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8KvmqIUGQs7dd3s8 by sanae@carfree.city
2023-03-30T06:57:59Z
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@freemo well I was going to point out that the quickest google search will demonstrate how much unions reduce the gender pay gap but now I realize you're just a troll
(DIR) Post #AU8KyfgDZdjEmDI2Vs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:58:30Z
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@theogrin Except when you give people the option to join, presuming its a good union that serves their interests well, then thry will. So its a moot point. The only time unions become in effective and loose their power is when thry stop serving everyone and only try to serve the majority at thr expense of the minority. In which case they deserve to loose their power.
(DIR) Post #AU8L0oEUkHZxskLHGa by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T06:56:39Z
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@futurebird @freemo this reminds me of the economics professor who let his class opt to be capitalists or socialists.The capitalists got their own individual grades. The socialists' grades got averaged, and everyone got the average.The capitalists always outscored the socialists. Often the socialists flunked, and had to retake the class as capitalists the next time.
(DIR) Post #AU8L4lLNQdeu52RjVY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T06:59:36Z
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@sanae why is it always the actual trolls who call people trolls... lol
(DIR) Post #AU8L9ayjOTnbNg9srQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T06:59:21Z
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@mike805 @freemo Did they get to work together on the tests?
(DIR) Post #AU8L9c5VGmoIoyKo3U by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:00:26Z
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@futurebird Capitalists wshoukd have the option to work together or not while the socialist woukd be forced to see eachothers papers to be fair ;)@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8LJK5f2SdNtn2Qsa by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:02:15Z
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@freemo @futurebird Capitalists working together on test answers would be an antitrust violation. They would be required to compete. 😆
(DIR) Post #AU8LJeN3dUQwnXKblw by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:01:24Z
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@futurebird @freemo good question, and not sure. I just know they had to do papers and take tests and their grades were averaged. And there was a problem with the socialists not turning in their homework.
(DIR) Post #AU8LJetJhYEoPaQN3Q by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:02:18Z
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@mike805 Yea as tends to be the problem with the socialist model is therr is less incentive to do well if you know others will carry you along.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8LPfg5goHwaa6Ziy by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:03:24Z
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@freemo @futurebird and the problem with the capitalist model is that people with wealth have no incentive to care about anyone else. Also the capitalists can buy the state.
(DIR) Post #AU8LRAkvcyPvGW5Fg0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:03:38Z
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@mike805 Hahah well yea except people argue antitrust is a heck against capatilism because a true and pure capitalism is bad (i am all for antitrust laws though)@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8LZGtofdo2dS6RE0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:05:07Z
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@mike805 Id argue that isnt capatilsm at all.. capatilism is not "no rules, mo ey buys all".. capitalism by definitio are markets where supply and demand market pressures are allowed to freely determine price.. if you can "buy off" the system it isnt a free markrt by definition.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8LbsuoIarJ7RoWGW by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:05:35Z
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@freemo Every union gives people the option to opt out. Sometimes it's just unchecking a box (or, conversely, checking it). They lose the benefits of the union, of course. Legal support, voting rights, and so on, but that's the game.As for those which try to throw certain members under the bus, well, I have a lot of things to say about the concept of appeasement, and I've already said a lot of them.
(DIR) Post #AU8Lk9TwaXBSogBo6y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:06:58Z
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@jens I mean maybe you just had some dumb management that hjred some shitty coder who convinced everyone he was the bees knees... that does happen.But there is a legitimate need for high paid gurus. But thats only as good as your managements ability to identify and hire an actual guru and not just someone faking it.@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8LkGrb8zGRi4JIS8 by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:07:09Z
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@freemo @futurebird we should also differentiate between free enterprise and capitalism. If you run a factory and sell the product for a profit, that's free enterprise. If money, lending, banking, and the stock market rule over the factory owner like a malevolent deity, that is capitalism. We have lots of capitalism and not much free enterprise left in the USA and the UK.
(DIR) Post #AU8LoPyvBWpL9CiH32 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:07:51Z
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@theogrin certainly not every union... it is very very common to have jobs where their avreement requires them to hire union workers and ghere is no option to jire nonunion
(DIR) Post #AU8LxtyZ2Jv8mN4I7s by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:09:33Z
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@mike805 I wouldnt say that an accurate definition of either.. i fact what you describe sounds more like corprotacracy than capitalism.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8M5LNJZ6dXmdC4Cu by bnlandor@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T07:10:56Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 I think that people a being paid based on their skill is — a misconception.
(DIR) Post #AU8M85Vh0ULjRqQ9rs by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-03-30T07:05:09Z
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@mike805 @freemo @futurebird It was really instructive how in one team I got impatience with the speed at which I was fixing bugs that were caused by the hotshot having a good idea, but knowing little about the engineering complexity. When I offered a coding strategy that would help eliminate most of his bugs, it was soundly rejected because it didn't provide 100% coverage.That wasn't the only such experience, but it brought clarity.
(DIR) Post #AU8M85vDTalYj0MXeS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:09:04Z
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@jens @mike805 @freemo Real experts are invaluable. But I find them all over the place. Those who can promote themselves may be "hot shots" but just as often they aren't. A close friend found this bug that was going to ruin the whole internet (I know that sounds dramatic but there were articles about it) dude has never been paid them "hot shot" bucks. He just cares a lot about internet architecture. It's not necessary or sufficient.
(DIR) Post #AU8M86NvkpjcA3nTPM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:11:23Z
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@futurebird There are a lot of gurus that dont really care to make the big bucks... there is a lot of stress and pressure if you do honestly. For me to take advantage of my own abilities i have to consukt which means im always needing to line up new work every 3 to 12 months. There is alos a lot of pressure and a demand to work long and craxy hours.@jens @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8MDHBH2jLL5lLOkK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:12:20Z
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@bnlandor I think its far more complex than just that... for sure... but there is a big negotiating pressure from having skills.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8MEQ6RMAfD3Kd2ZM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:12:21Z
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@freemo
(DIR) Post #AU8MKCDZtR5fj8inOi by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:13:37Z
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@freemo You're right, and I'm sorry: I shouldn't use concrete states here. Some (very VERY rare) companies do need that as a contractual agreement, and I'm not sure that's ethically sound.(Though the entire company collectivizing against a wrongful / constructive dismissal sounds nice.)A vast majority of unionized workers sounds good, though, because that's a bargaining group. They get to influence the company's actions too, as they're the ones propping up the company like freakin' Atlas.
(DIR) Post #AU8MLUA8f3sFfdjB8y by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:13:51Z
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@freemo @jens @futurebird and the guru is usually someone who is willing to learn a language or system in depth. Who is willing to feel stupid for a while learning a new thing, and finish learning it rather than stop when he has a usable subset. Being that person requires high motivation as well as natural knack.
(DIR) Post #AU8MQ5TprByIZG8Que by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:14:39Z
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@theogrin as long as the unions are opt out they have my complete support. And yes i do know a vreat many unions are opt out so im all for most of these arrangements.
(DIR) Post #AU8MrshCyxRf1gdwTA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:19:40Z
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@mike805 More important it also takes a huge personal investment of both time and money for most people.. yes i know earlier i said i was making 100k at 15, but thats because i built something that got world wide attention at that age. In truth most people need to spend a decade of their off work time working on advanced problems and studying before they can get to where i was at 20. I just had a bit of a leap that boosted my career a good 5 years ahead of the mark.And whike my skills have real value i do recognized i amprivilaged in the fact that i happened to get my start in the dot com bubble. Still i am 25 years of expiernce in at this poi t and had to spend alot of time and risk doing projects for recognition before i got to the point i was recognized as an expert.@jens @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8N5IkrPIj5bwkbfk by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:22:07Z
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@freemo Then on that, at least, we're in full agreement. By the way, I'd not be opposed to some manner of debate in future, either.Though I would also note that the propaganda against unions by the corporate crowd should be stopped. There are troubles with any generalized system, and unions are no exception, but that's more a case-by-case basis than a general issue with the idea, and unions are very much a big 'employees should also have power' idea, which still needs to be actualized.
(DIR) Post #AU8N5uBOFcvrgwRof2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:22:13Z
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@freemo @mike805 @jens My friend got world wide attention too for finding that fault and I won't even tag him since he hates when anyone brings it up.Hustle isn't expertise. Though it's more effective if you have some expertise to back it up ... maybe. Sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AU8NGuuJtg6X7miKNU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:24:12Z
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@theogrin Loom everyone on every issue makes it black and white.. either unions are evil and shouldnt exist or unions are perfect and there are no problems given them all the powers they want... I think we both agree the reality lies somewhere in the middle as always.
(DIR) Post #AU8NPehzUeHzUV78PQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:25:47Z
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@futurebird Hustle probably gets you farther than skill.. tell enough people your worth twice what your worth and eventually someone will buy it.@mike805 @jens
(DIR) Post #AU8NV4nxtYiHsKUeMy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:26:47Z
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@freemo You see, to me this is a bug, not a feature. It's why I studied math. No hustle required. (at least up to a point...)
(DIR) Post #AU8NavAUdXpNj1okk4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:27:51Z
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@freemo *Hustle should matter in like... advertising and sales... but maybe not everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AU8Nk8J59oyb51EAu8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:29:29Z
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@futurebird Oh in that i agree, well too a point. Obviousky hard worknshoikd pay off, but at the same time you shoukdnt have to play a numbers gsme to get an edge.More skill means you need less hustle in terms of playing the numbers, bjt you invest that hustle into study, which has real value.The problem is you often get bullshitters in management who themselves got there by playing a numbers gsme. So the end result is management themselves dont have the skill needed to identify that skill in others.
(DIR) Post #AU8Npt86UxJlkLpwrA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:30:32Z
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@futurebird Hustle shoukd matter in all areas.. jt just shoukd be hustle invested in value (skills, deliverables, etc).. when hustle comes down to "i knocked on doors till i found a rube" thrn yea thats a bug.
(DIR) Post #AU8NygqFYPSaF5gOpc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:32:07Z
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@futurebird even in sales you shoukd be finding better ways to deliver your message so you find meaningful loyal clients... if your resorting to cold calling youve already failed
(DIR) Post #AU8OVnLOOpdLxu2FGK by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:35:50Z
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@freemo Also, please note, 'I'm fine with them in principle, but' is a very clear, concrete propaganda move. There is no end to the litany of excuses used in this method of attack, and they all derive from the 'x = bad' basis.If one is operating from said basis, state it first.
(DIR) Post #AU8OVnuqH1zRjqcYW8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:38:05Z
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@theogrin i think its fine to state the edge cases where it comes unacceptable... i mean its not like the case where unions are forced is all THAT rare. Yes its a minority but for many govt jobs and labor unions like electricians and transport it is very much thr norm.
(DIR) Post #AU8P3UN3RpD6xzsZNY by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:44:12Z
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@freemo I suspect that if we get into civil service jobs we're going to be here for the rest of the night, but the Provincial government have effectively just given a giant middle finger to workers here.Also, trained labour positions aren't something into which I've done much research, but again, this way they still get a vote.I might not like the cost of an electrician, but a $250 fee beats electrocuting myself.
(DIR) Post #AU8PIEqPSPm59idv1s by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:46:51Z
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@theogrin well as ive said im all for electricians having unions... and even more so for needing an electrician to be licensed. I just want people to be able to choose which union their in or if.
(DIR) Post #AU8PdMgRVSBHYA3SMq by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T07:50:41Z
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@freemo I reiterate that the strength of a union is based on its solidarity and membership. Unless a plurality of electricians join the electricians' guild, such as it were, it holds no power to influence events, and thus, no power at all.Licensing is also bullshit, but if we get too far into that I'm going to start ranting about the ACT/SAT in the US, and nobody wants that.
(DIR) Post #AU8QAJArZhpqDpzaHg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T07:56:37Z
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@theogrin yes i agree. But i also refer to my earlier response here. So long as the electricians union serves all of its employees well then people will choose to join by their own accord.The issue with forcing people to join is thst now the union only has to serve 51% of their members ro stay in power and can throw the other 49% under a bus. With opt out scenario thry are forced to try to benefit everyone.
(DIR) Post #AU8TbEtzrkk0ebdWtM by theogrin@chaosfem.tw
2023-03-30T08:35:07Z
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@freemo I'm afraid I have to still emphasize: how is that any worse than the alternative, where the employees have NO power?We do need better unions. But that's certainly not an argument against any unions at all.
(DIR) Post #AU8U3qNO8EjkzC1XMG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T08:40:16Z
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@theogrin but those arent the two options.The option is 1) you have a union your forced into and it can throw 49% under a bus to benefit 51% 2) you can have unions be opt in in which case you have unions that only exist when it benefits anyone who joins, in which case you still have unions except now unions can compete and whichever one does the best job at helping everyone survives.
(DIR) Post #AU8VgEdYTlrRBhSKfI by stevenbodzin@thepit.social
2023-03-30T08:58:26Z
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@freemo @futurebird anyway, rule of law is good. It's one thing to let slide a few unreported gifts or conflicts of interest for a head of state. Another to have a party depend on race and age based voter suppression to win, or to rely on extraconstitutional shenanigans to implement unpopular policies. PS Accusing Gore of contesting an election is not a good faith argument and you are smart enough to know that.
(DIR) Post #AU8VswesdP8XC08W8G by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T09:00:43Z
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@stevenbodzin Huh? Why was that directed at me, doesnt seem relevant to anything i said. I never even mentioned gore for example@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AU8XuNnHQloTY8sXRY by notsoloud@expressional.social
2023-03-30T09:23:24Z
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@freemoPeople aren't paid by their skills. People aren't paid by their efforts. People are paid what the company thinks it can get away with for the work they do. Skills and efforts are only part of that.If your skills are easy to find elsewhere that value will be lower.If you make yourself look indispensable it will be higher.If you look like you'd never think of leaving it will be lower.And that's before we get into the boss's emotions.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8ZK0y717fgF2jP7I by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T09:34:01Z
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@notsoloud @freemo @mike805 I learned some of this the hard way when I was working doing processing of licensing documents for a pharm company. I realized that the 6 hour a day job could be done in 2 if I wrote a little scanning and processing algorithm. I optimized everything. But made the mistake of telling my boss who cut my hours to 2 a day. Then I quit.
(DIR) Post #AU8ZK1Tf7ouNotUbIG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T09:39:08Z
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@futurebird What you shoukd have done is told your boss "if you doubke my salary i can write a program that does it in half thr tine". Then when he cut your job down to 2 hours you coukd have found multiple part time jobs automating other system and now youd be paid twice as much. I often automate tasks and effectively am doing that all thr time.@notsoloud @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8Zaysq1SX4hKM2wy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T09:36:20Z
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@notsoloud @freemo @mike805 I had a lot of bad experiences with jobs. Giving my all and getting screwed. In the last 3 or 4 years I at last have a job that I like that pays me what I think I'm worth and more than I need to do what I want. I don't know if I could have managed those early jobs better. I just thought "do your best, look for ways to improve things and people will be happy with you and treat you right."It's not really true. You need to either advocate for yourself or find help.
(DIR) Post #AU8ZazLuHNmi9TxGG8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T09:42:18Z
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@futurebird Doing your bewt is only in your favor if you negotiate a position that pays you for your skills, and that requires strdegy on your part because the company is also looking to save money.I usually focus on consulting (though right now im an employee). I charge a flat fee per project rather than per hour. The result is the harder i work the more i make per hour since i finish my jo b sooner.@notsoloud @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8ZkJ847S9O5vvMvo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T09:43:59Z
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@freemo @notsoloud @mike805 I can't stand using an inefficient system. But my boss was already so happy about the department needing less hours and frankly I hated working for a pharm company. They were kinda evil. They still use the little app and script to this day! 15 years later. I find that hilarious. Probably could be fully automated by now. Provided that the docs could be digitized quickly and most already were.
(DIR) Post #AU8aUHS8gRcyDVEdto by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T09:52:17Z
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@futurebird Makes sense.. i guess is if they will exploit you you might as well exploit thrm. If you can automate it, charge them ;)Reminds me of this one guy i knew who completely automated his job and didnt tell anyone. He just came in and napped all day and got paid ;)@notsoloud @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU8iX3Q8WPWyk5SLzs by unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz
2023-03-30T11:22:26Z
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@freemo"People are paid by their skill" is so over-generalised as simply not to be true. Skill is just one factor.
(DIR) Post #AU8jQjXbcWcjItV3tg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T11:32:28Z
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@unchartedworlds yes obviously... the point is more skill usually means more pay, all else being equal.
(DIR) Post #AU8ubwFvmmr5Q4mJpQ by bynkii@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T13:30:19Z
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@futurebird @jens @mike805 @freemo what I find is that real experts are never considered “A” players because experts understand they aren’t the end and be all. The definition of an “A” player in tech is someone who while smart, is also impossible to work with on any terms other than their own. There is no one so smart to make that level of toxicity worth it.Because they will drive away people who are just as smart, but not as obnoxious & toxic, & we have trained ourselves to see obnoxious…
(DIR) Post #AU8ubwvPIa23UiBRTc by bynkii@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T13:32:58Z
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@futurebird @jens @mike805 @freemo …as a requirement of being an “A” player. Especially in tech, we *exalt* it. You can have them all.Give me a team of smart, respectful, kind people, who really get teamwork, and I will run rings around an egotist who can only work with themselves and views anything but loud confrontation as weakness.Also, “A” players tend to be sexist/racist/ableist/abusive/all of the above. So there’s that.
(DIR) Post #AU8ubxLzhjIcpAcfuy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-30T13:37:44Z
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@bynkii Yup agreed you need a guru who isnt those things, but generally lists, is kind, and gets things done... a fake "A" player isnt needed. An actual expert with good team and social and empathy skills, yes.@futurebird @jens @mike805
(DIR) Post #AU9TyYQE3xRoYX74M4 by Waiting4Thunder@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T20:13:59Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 studies have shown that women who negotiate assertively for pay (whether hiring pay, raises, bonuses, discretionary project pay, etc) are more likely to receive a negative outcome (rejection, offer rescinded, termination, etc.)Please add this to your fact pattern before computing further.
(DIR) Post #AU9XLRzoQ8Af9IMrNA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T20:51:48Z
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@freemo @theogrin @mike805 Just to be clear I'm not in a "right to work" state. Unions can automatically include everyone, although there are some provisions to stand aside if you really bugs you. But more importantly the union was one of the most well-functioning democratic organizations I've encountered. You could herd your friends together and elect people to the boards. You could have influence just with a little time investment. It was not perfect but I thought it worked well.
(DIR) Post #AU9Y8BXyMlWOK4aIXQ by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T21:00:37Z
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@freemo @futurebird @notsoloud definitely never work at a frantic, emergency pace continuously for a long time. They will come to expect that much work, and you will exhaust yourself. Leave some time to learn something new. Right now I'm studying Android Compose. Before that it was WebRTC.
(DIR) Post #AU9v6iq53G1RcxS2m8 by trochee@dair-community.social
2023-03-30T05:17:04Z
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@mike805 @tofugolem @pleaseclap @futurebird @sphinx Are...Are you aware of who first said "history repeats, first as tragedy, then as farce"?A… peculiar choice of phrase to use in a rant about the commies& how do you square criticizing the DNC as an agent of "financial cartel" with "the Dems are too Bolshevik"?Oh oh oh I get it. When you say "financial cartel" (or "Bolshevik") do you just mean "Jews"?
(DIR) Post #AU9v6jWGWPlZjnBjWq by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T05:30:30Z
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@trochee @tofugolem @pleaseclap @futurebird @sphinx yeah that was Karl Marx who said that. He was pretty good at describing the faults of the present system. Not so good at proposing a solution. The Dems want a big centralized financial system with themselves at the top. They get private jets, everyone else gets an e-bike if he is good.Communism is a strategy for turning everyone against each other. Previously it was about class, the current iteration is about identity groups.
(DIR) Post #AU9v6kBk2CwXoQarB2 by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T12:14:27Z
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@mike805 @trochee @pleaseclap @futurebird @sphinx "The Dems want"No. That's what the safe-space is telling you. The safe-space recently admitted in court (again) that they lie to you. The Democrats serve wealthy people and large corporations just like the Republicans, they're just a bit less blatant about it.And you clearly do not understand what communism is, but given that you get your info from the safe-space, this is to be expected.
(DIR) Post #AU9v6lNTc3vNV75k6i by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T20:44:47Z
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@tofugolem @trochee @pleaseclap @futurebird @sphinx the whole system serves the wealthy and corporations. The D and R serve the system.Communism is direct ownership of the means of production by the state. Fascism is where the state controls the corporations but the corporations retain formal ownership of the means of production.Both C and F treat humans as just a tool, part of the means of production, to be used by the people in charge. Both are evil.
(DIR) Post #AU9v6ltjg7jF7ABVOC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T20:45:45Z
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@mike805 No one is interested in communism in the US. It's not even in the conversation.
(DIR) Post #AU9v6mMRxMhIYDcR96 by trochee@dair-community.social
2023-03-31T00:49:12Z
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@futurebird there's _plenty_ of interest in fascism here in the USA, though :(@mike805
(DIR) Post #AU9v6nqyPMhvBAuKMS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-31T00:56:08Z
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I'm so over the "communism and fascism are equally bad" The steel man argument for why communism is bad comes down to: in some implementations it can act to concentrate power. So one could argue this is inevitable. eg. what communism seeks to accomplish is good, but it just won't work*Now why is fascism bad? Because what fascism *seeks to accomplish is obviously immoral* and cruel. Fascism "done right" is wicked. Fascism failed is wicked too. How is this even a question?
(DIR) Post #AU9v6oOeO9e6rcfDqy by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2023-03-31T01:18:03Z
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@futurebird errrm, no, communism is "bad" because the idea of abolishing property is like super weird, whereas fascism is bad because it assumes primacy of the collective over an individual, and I'm an individualist ass so I hate it
(DIR) Post #AU9w6EvGNcNcnVD2My by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-31T01:29:12Z
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@nobody @futurebird they both start out with big promises and end up with big body counts. Both assert the collective over the individual and both claim the right to use unlimited violence in pursuit of their goals. Both are incompatible with human nature, and try to make up for it by killing off the annoying non-conformist humans. So yeah, all totalitarian state-led ideologies suck.
(DIR) Post #AUAA5E4NSrlLDjsorY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-31T04:05:51Z
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@nobody "whereas fascism is bad because it assumes primacy of the collective over an individual"Woosh!
(DIR) Post #AUALOJI7NF5IPfc3Vo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-31T06:12:33Z
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@Waiting4Thunder Already part of my fact pattern. But thanks for pointing it out. Its an importang point.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUAQQQQiIqzAu3Sf0C by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-31T00:06:23Z
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@fivetonsflax @futurebird @notsoloud @freemo it has always puzzled me that more organizations don't hand out some incentive money to workers who find optimizations. There must be a valid reason why not, because it seems like that would improve efficiency quite a bit.Being a capitalist requires tolerance for stress and uncertainty that most people don't have. Every one I've known, the business owned the entrepreneur rather than the other way around. They never stopped thinking and worrying.
(DIR) Post #AUAQQRF3HhFfQB0rSq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-31T07:08:57Z
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@mike805 The ince tive is usually in the form of promotions and raises. The issue is many in management just arent good management so they do nothing.@fivetonsflax @futurebird @notsoloud
(DIR) Post #AUAQQSOezSX10GW34y by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-31T00:08:17Z
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@fivetonsflax @futurebird @notsoloud @freemo one that I knew at a startup, had bailed out of one of the network hardware companies with at least tens of millions. He spent all his time either at his desk, or out deal making. He could never just turn it off and go home and relax. The startup eventually failed and probably took a good bite out of his net worth.
(DIR) Post #AUAQX8NDpnNAvh1kJc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-31T07:10:09Z
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@fivetonsflax Not true, but like management you only get what you fight for... many make a living off of optimizing and keeping the surplus, like me.@futurebird @notsoloud @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUCW7HwccD5t7pZ1xw by mmm@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-01T05:45:51Z
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@mike805 @futurebird @freemo The sides are misnamed in order to create the metaphor and outcome you so admire. If it was accurate. The capitalists would have the right to prevent socialists from having access to text books and classes. And would exercise that right.
(DIR) Post #AUCW7JAU49mCv73cDA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T07:22:09Z
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@mmm Thats not right. Communism can exist inside capitalism, its cslled a commune, but not the other way around.So a more accurste representstion woukd be in the communists were allowed to kill the capitslists.@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AUCXEKpuMWQ24iLcLw by mmm@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-01T07:34:38Z
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@freemo @mike805 @futurebird Ah, understood, so in your metaphor, capitalists are defined as including the hard working people and the other group includes the lazy sociopaths. So capitalism is a superior system. Got it. Now we know. #NoTrueScotsman
(DIR) Post #AUCXPPCIUJwAmo6BUW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T07:36:37Z
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@mmm No in this metaphor people pick their side. There is no assumption of who is a hard worker or not.. if it just so happens all thr hard workers abandon communism and go capitalist, well that just tells you something about how people woukd respond to collectivism.@mike805 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AUCbUHnFqJ5p5Vy4kS by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-04-01T08:22:22Z
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@freemo @mmm @futurebird that's not just a metaphor. The East Germans put up a wall for a reason. All the hard working highly motivated people were getting out of the Communist side. I know people whose parents did exactly that.People were not allowed to leave the Soviet bloc for the same reason: all the wrong people would leave.Cuba was happy to let their prison population leave during the boatlift in the 80s. Those people had negative social value, so good riddance.
(DIR) Post #AUEcjUt1vvicJGPGIC by hosford42@techhub.social
2023-04-02T07:45:44Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 We shouldn't have to be good negotiators. Low ball offers shouldn't be made in the first place. Publicly known wages help prevent that abuse.I'm autistic. It's a big part of why I'm damn good at my job. (Software/ML) It's also a big part of why I'm a terrible negotiator. Negotiation skills have nothing to do with what I'm paid for. The system being set up to take advantage of my disability like that is literally systemic ableism. It is BS and wrong.
(DIR) Post #AUEePugSVgOsR2JdVw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T08:04:34Z
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@hosford42 I disagree. Its not like we are talking about real hard hitting negotiations here... when you look for a job you make it a full time job... get all the offers you can, tell all your offers what the highest is, tske the highest... its not a difficult skill IMO@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUEgvyjtASSCBgL0E4 by hosford42@techhub.social
2023-04-02T08:32:48Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 Sure, it's easy and I'm just making it up. Just tell me you don't think my disability is real and be done with it. If it's easy for you, it must be easy for everyone else, right?Only I learned early on that's not the case. Things that are hard for me are easy for most -- like filling out a form, or remembering a word when you're about to say it, or realizing when someone is mad at you -- but things that are easy for me are hard for most -- like designing a novel machine learning algorithm, inventing a new type of integral, or seeing the core commonality shared simultaneously by brains, economic systems, evolving populations, systems of government, and machine learning.Please do a search for the "no free lunch theorem" before you tell anyone else that something is easy and belittle their difficulties just because you lack the imagination necessary to empathize with someone who isn't like you.
(DIR) Post #AUEhRz5RPWYGX3gEGe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T08:38:34Z
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@hosford42 Never claimed your disability was fake or that it isnt hard for you.. The solution as i see it isnt open salaries just because of a few with a disability. If you cant do what is usually an easy task for others the government shoukd have to assign you a recruiter who negotiates on your behalf for free.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUEizPZo2k1aCPO0wa by hosford42@techhub.social
2023-04-02T08:55:50Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 No, you didn't say it outright. You were just dismissive about it, which conveys the same message.Happy to return to the original discussion, though. Yes, that's not a bad idea, honestly. Though I wouldn't trust a government worker to have my best interests in mind. For all I know, I'd end up with someone that thinks there's something wrong with me and I deserve a lower wage.Regardless, I don't see the harm in wage visibility. It might move wages towards the mean, as you say, but I would also expect the mean to go up. Deviation from the mean would have to be *explainable* -- based on specific skills, experience, etc. -- in order to be maintained. To me, that looks like a pro, not a con.
(DIR) Post #AUEjGUicB7JH4OeVCS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T08:58:54Z
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@hosford42 My intention wasnt to dismiss, im sorry. My intent was to be clear i wasnt talking about hard hjtting negotiations, just shopping around and taking the best offer.My issue with wage transparency is ive seen it in action countless times and the effects are devestating in jobs where skill, particularly intellectual skill, is paramount.@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUEjK3rRyYgwvnUB9c by hosford42@techhub.social
2023-04-02T08:57:03Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 I'm calling it a night, but I'll check back tomorrow if you have more to say.
(DIR) Post #AUEjK4Rxmntml2ZL4C by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T08:59:32Z
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@hosford42 Have a good night@futurebird @mike805
(DIR) Post #AUErWS4OapgB7bxaPA by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-04-02T10:31:27Z
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@freemo @hosford42 @futurebird many people do not like, or are not good at, negotiation. We can easily get the short end of a lot of deals - shopping for a car, for example. And getting a job.The best job interviews I've ever had were when I had a job already and genuinely didn't care if I got an offer or not.
(DIR) Post #AUF5Twx0ilCPO2CtPM by Cleopatra@c.im
2023-04-02T13:07:51Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 There are always reasons. Finding out i earned less than half of the next guy took away my motivation to even tell my manager about the improvements i had been making to the code (mostly repairing what my colleagues had screwed up).Demanding higher pay? I just wanted to go away, why bother fighting when the best outcome is that i would have ended up with 'average salary'. I feel much more happy in my new job with more open salaries. It attracts completely different people, who measure succes as being helpful to customers instead of by the size of their company-car.
(DIR) Post #AUFHdGKzD4ffZNd1Ye by hosford42@techhub.social
2023-04-02T15:24:00Z
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@freemo @futurebird @mike805 Can you be more specific regarding "devastating"? What exactly were the effects you observed?
(DIR) Post #AUFZn5IysgbFQMWWjw by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-04-02T18:46:18Z
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@hosford42 @freemo @futurebird well if a person found out they were 50% underpaid, they would probably stop working very hard. They would start looking for a job, and the more vindictive might start engaging in subtle sabotage - adding bugs rather than fixing them, not documenting anything, generally setting it up so everything falls apart once they walk out the door.
(DIR) Post #AUFZn5y6PnUdTtlMps by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T18:47:27Z
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@mike805 Its not like it matters.. there are databases that tell you the national and local average for a particular job.. you dont need open salaries to know if your underpaid.
(DIR) Post #AUFapgrAKwe4QAJsYa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-04-02T18:57:29Z
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@mike805 @hosford42 @freemo Sounds like a good reason not to low-ball people. It's incredibly insulting and eventually some of the people will find out and tell everyone what you did.
(DIR) Post #AUFaphYPk9EwaIYPy4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T18:59:06Z
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@futurebird There are a ton of good reasons not to lowball someone.. The other is you want your employees to live healthy well fed lives. Better lives out of work means happier and more productive workers.@mike805 @hosford42
(DIR) Post #AUGKJSiRyIDvBooUu8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-03-30T07:05:57Z
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@mike805 @freemo I guess I'm not seeing the connection. Grades aren't pay for doing work- And there is no reason why everyone can't, in theory, earn an A. Nor do professors gain anything by giving out low marks.
(DIR) Post #AUGKJTNvU5OtGSDcYK by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-03-30T07:12:06Z
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@futurebird @freemo the connection is (a) the more capable people opted into the capitalist camp and (b) the socialists were less motivated to stay up late finishing their papers. Same applies in the real world. The most capable got out of commie-land if they possibly could. The rest pretended to work while the state pretended to pay them.
(DIR) Post #AUGKJU5AtHzlQaS9xo by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-04-01T05:43:40Z
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@mike805 @futurebird @freemo Capitalism and communism are both terribly designed systems.Capitalism is a reaction to inherited power, and wants the limit to success be determined by ambition. The trouble is, it doesn't place limits on ambition, so suits people best whose ambitions are larger than their humanity. Communism starts with humanity, but considers ambitions bad, so creates rules to eliminate it. It ignores that ambition doesn't go away, and...
(DIR) Post #AUGKJV6d5MkkbO8ps0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-04-01T06:54:05Z
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@jens Capitalism facilitates inheritance whilst using motivational fairly tales to excuse any sparks of righteous anger at the inevitable concentrations of power this creates. Capitalism stifles creativity, risk. Markets under capitalism grind to stagnation as wealth concentrates. Communism's flaw is inorganic totality. But, a communism with worker-owned & managed companies would unleash ambition, innovation like we've never seen. Central planning where it isn't essential stifles this.
(DIR) Post #AUGKJVjckNweYKNyeO by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-04-01T06:59:03Z
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@futurebird Possibly. But that's sort of what I mean, you can't stifle the ambition completely, or I'll come out in bad ways.Social security, UBI, worker co-ops, high taxes on extreme wealth, focus on education and infrastructure, that kind of thing can be a powerful combination.I'm not saying I have a complete model. 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #AUGKJW4tTIxVcIKxns by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2023-04-01T05:49:00Z
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@mike805 @futurebird @freemo ... that means people either try to escape it, or break the rules. That's why communist states have always been exploited. The regular folk play by the rules and suffer, while the rules are enforced by those that exploit them.It should IMHO be obvious that neither pandering to, nor suppressing individual human traits is a good idea. 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #AUGKJWNKMlhiXSxgXI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-04-01T07:12:02Z
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@jens The idea of "co-equal branches of government with checks and balances" is one of the little successes in some implementations of democracy. In the same way a system of checks and balences should exist between the State, Private and Co-Op sectors. Some co-op companies already exist, but we've set things up to make this nearly impossible. That could change. In the US we'd benefit from moving health and education to the state as well.
(DIR) Post #AUGKJWqkbNEw0ijBOi by nottrobin@union.place
2023-04-01T23:46:26Z
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@futurebird> checks and balences should exist between the State, Private and Co-Op sectors.Yes love coops. I definitely believe in a plethora of community organisations that are independent from government. Groups of people empowered to create collaborative institutions according to their needs.But what's the argument for a private sector? That seems definitionally only about maximising profit for some exclusive plutocrat class at the cost of others.@jens
(DIR) Post #AUGKJXRyMz0vsA8uPo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-04-02T00:13:40Z
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@nottrobin @jens Another place where private companies can work are some types of small businesses.
(DIR) Post #AUGKJY2UBEDlhPE4KO by nottrobin@union.place
2023-04-02T00:17:03Z
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@futurebirdWhat is it about private businesses that makes them more effective than worker owned cooperatives? What even is the key difference?I suppose it's more or less that a dictatorship is simpler to operate than a democracy, so lots of small dictatorships can move faster.It would be good to interrogate what it would look like for cooperative ownership to be the automatic default for business though, how inefficient is it really?@jens
(DIR) Post #AUGKJYgXmIGPhdy3lY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-04-02T00:19:44Z
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@nottrobin @jens Worker co-ops are focused more on working conditions, the long term life of the organization, and taking pride in their products. This sounds wonderful if you want anything bespoke or mission critical BUT what if you need 200 ceramic bowls? The co-op just won't have the lowest prices. They aren't as volume and profit driven.
(DIR) Post #AUI4c2FZNvfpev3jN2 by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2023-04-03T23:42:18.023346Z
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@futurebird The current regime literally carried out mass election fraud and Stole the 2020. Infinitely more serious than Trump supposedly paying off some whore to keep her whore mouth shut.
(DIR) Post #AUITV0DtTIvgB2TVFA by leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club
2023-04-04T04:21:09.378669Z
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@futurebird It makes you a thieving cunt no matter how you justify it to yourself. If you try it I hope you find yourself on the floor unable to stand back up.
(DIR) Post #AUUcl9MusJZnlvRli4 by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-04-10T01:01:26Z
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@mike805 @freemo @mmm @futurebird @hoss @moffintosh @PonyPanda @RahowasaurusRex1979 @branman65 @Chronomemes It’s also quite telling the First World living standards turned to shit as soon as there was no longer a viable threat of world #revolution
(DIR) Post #AUUcpCfiXGktAvApMW by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-04-10T01:02:11Z
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@mike805 @freemo @mmm @futurebird https://shitpost.cloud/objects/c6dbca4f-a3d2-4fac-bf10-45e9d6bd69e3
(DIR) Post #AUUpcNpJ3BXRPUsNHs by mike805@fosstodon.org
2023-04-10T03:25:29Z
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@ec670 @freemo @mmm @futurebird @hoss the USA and the USSR motivated each other. It's too bad the USSR didn't land on the moon about a week after the USA did. The space program would have continued.Without the motivating force of competition, the West stagnated. The Communist infiltration of the West continued after the demise of the USSR, and the West is now thoroughly demoralized.Meanwhile Russia seems to be repeating the Eastern front of WW2, but they are playing as the Germans.
(DIR) Post #AUUwEXNwYjiBmjebCq by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-04-10T04:39:38Z
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@mike805 @freemo @mmm @futurebird @HossCommies didn’t infiltrate the West; ((( parasites ))) did. They transcend the capitalist/communist divide.Normal communists just want the best for their respective countries, Cuba, Laos, DPRK, etc. Anti-imperialists, just like Gaddafi and the Taliban.Just like how normal capitalists just want to turn a profit running a pizzeria or selling used cars or whatever