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(DIR) Post #AUDLiq4LnaRnL0qFwu by JuliusGoat@mastodon.social
2023-04-01T11:59:47Z
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Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. That word is "Nazi."Historians study their motives, but there is a broad understanding: their motives don’t exonerate them.
(DIR) Post #AUDNQT0D1PR4UeGvDs by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-04-01T17:19:32Z
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@JuliusGoat you don’t even need to formally join
(DIR) Post #AUDNcD8toWx4mPw8q8 by shoq@mastodon.social
2023-04-01T12:58:59Z
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@JuliusGoat Important history. Makes me wonder how history will view all the journalists remaining on Twitter because choosing a server was "hard."
(DIR) Post #AUDeDW2295P9LSXGeu by dogemocenigo@ioc.exchange
2023-04-01T13:34:20Z
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@JuliusGoat @robchandhok Well said.In Germany we also say that if at a dining table there are a Nazi and nine more people, then there are ten Nazis dining at that table.
(DIR) Post #AUDeJ0arwdI9ZxRtA0 by avuko@infosec.exchange
2023-04-01T18:58:57Z
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@JuliusGoat I am well and truly over all the nuance.Same how when it’s domestic terrorism, it’s always everything except terrorism.
(DIR) Post #AUDsEdJtvsDlb4Ju7c by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:04:42Z
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@JuliusGoat Excellent words, something we evryone should consider, whether they voted for Biden, a man who started his political career by being pro-segregation and faught to keep segregation alive right up until it started costing him votes... or Trump, someone who was brutal on immigration (not exactly racist but I cant think of anything racist he did, maybe someone has a better example?).... Either way, most of this nation is a bit too close to supporting the wrong people it seems.
(DIR) Post #AUDtVQjg4cQBRcwy0W by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:18:57Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Biden fought to keep segregation alive? Biden wasn’t even in the Senate until ‘72. Do you have a source for this claim?
(DIR) Post #AUDu1GhotrqrbVGMAi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:24:40Z
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@SpinozasHeresy Tons, it was his his whole platform when he started as an elected official. In hisnown words he was trying to prevent a "racial jungle" so hisnwhite kids woukdnt have to go to school with black kids.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626Note i didnt read this article, i just know the quotes and seen the videos of him campaigning for pro segregation.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUDuIHECDC1A98W5y4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:27:46Z
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@SpinozasHeresy Way back in 1977, he said that forced busing to desegregate schools would cause his children to “grow up in a racial jungle.”https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/bidens-history-getting-away-racist-remarks@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUDuaIC1MYyoLr5d9k by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:31:04Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Ooo. OK forgot about this stuff. I also remembered the mandatory minimum sentencing for crack cocaine issue. That was pretty racist as well.
(DIR) Post #AUDugMpj1U9UTsYeFE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:32:07Z
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@SpinozasHeresy Most racist history of any president in my life time, even trump, and trump was pretty awful so thats quite a comparison.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUDv2JfrRtwb3PPUK8 by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:36:08Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat The difference with Trump is that I don’t think he’s really come around to being any less racist than he was in the 70s. Even though Biden might not necessarily have publicly atoned for his attitudes, I’m pretty sure he’s evolved. Trump, not so much.
(DIR) Post #AUDwcXRZpb5c8fZ4Yy by pogrommer@poa.st
2023-04-01T23:53:54.687001Z
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@JuliusGoat https://nordicresistancemovement.org/what-is-national-socialism/
(DIR) Post #AUDwkgG0wku1n32T9U by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-01T23:55:18Z
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@SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat I thinknthats way off base.. he was consistently racist right until.itncost him votes. Even now its so transparent he is picking minorities simlly for the votes due tomthe fact that he will pick any minority, even one with bad records (like harris) just to get the minority vote. Yet he still keeps groping women and making low key racist comments...Dude hasnt changed a bit and is clesrly just playing the game.
(DIR) Post #AUDxVmnIScXRfr4HQW by CrustyB@poa.st
2023-04-02T00:03:53.744988Z
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@JuliusGoat So historians name for Germans who joined the Nazi party is "Nazi." Got it. Thanks for the info. I would have never known.
(DIR) Post #AUDxqAR0H9kimkMKAK by friendship@poa.st
2023-04-02T00:07:34.553614Z
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@JuliusGoat As someone from the future, I judge their actions just and admirable.
(DIR) Post #AUDyx8zw7CQ6JLabGy by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:20:00Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Really? You can't think of anything racist Trump did?https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
(DIR) Post #AUDzDTNg6EiwA2TqmO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:22:55Z
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@peterdrake Good find, I knew someone would fi d something more racist than what i mentioned, thanks.Still doesnt seem to hold a candle to bidens history, but clearly some good examples.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUDzTrYRzR1vlfKncu by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:25:56Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Talking about Bidens groping record without comparing it to trumps, is changing the subject isn’t it? I thought the contest was about who’s more racist. That aside, Biden seems to get along pretty well with black leaders. If he is a racist, as you suggest, then why do you suppose black leaders are mostly repelled by Trump?
(DIR) Post #AUDzqGpUhOz0WkzWXA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:29:55Z
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@SpinozasHeresy I tend to lump sexism against women as the same general category as racism. In both cases you are abusing a challenged class of people.And sure, trump doesnt have a grest record in either of those situations either. But biden being racist and groping openly and with countless examples outweights trump who at least mostly has a record of accusations which doesnt give him a pass but its certainly harder to accertain the reality of his incidents.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUE1JkRrkuHmjzYkAy by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:46:30Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat As far as racism and sexism, that’s a whole other long conversation I don’t have the time or energy for.And, you’ve changed the subject again. Regardless of whether you think Trump has any appearance of racism,  why is it DO YOU think, that black leaders are mostly repelled by Trump?
(DIR) Post #AUE1XrOwhYrMMJvGbY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:49:01Z
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@SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat Because he is a republican, and most black leaders tend to lean democrat. So thry will largely play by party lines... plus as we pointed out he is racist, maybe not on bidens level, but racist. Those two combined will make a strong repulsive vibe for blacks and democrwts in general.
(DIR) Post #AUE1bl0sOXOlhkWSga by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-02T00:49:47.080026Z
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@freemo @SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat >Women are intrinsecally challengedBased freemo
(DIR) Post #AUE1ndxqQbszJllwmW by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:51:55Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat So this is where I say “right on, vote your conscience”🤙
(DIR) Post #AUE1t0BTF83PgAhW76 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T00:52:50Z
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@SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat Well thats a no brainer, thankfully we have lots of choices other thsn those two last election and next.
(DIR) Post #AUE2g6Aflu6iRBjrU0 by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:01:44Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat In their time in the White House, the idea that Biden is more racist than Trump is absurd.One metric: who did they actually put into positions of power? Biden put in a cabinet that looks like America. Trump chose almost entirely white men (who make up only around 35% of the US population).I believe Biden chose career professionals while Trump chose cronies for their personal loyalty to him. Perhaps you disagree. I'm sure we could argue endlessly about which picks were "pandering to minority voters". The point is that Biden opened doors while Trump closed them.You like to advocate for letting populations judge for themselves who is supporting them, and of course I agree. There's a reason 90% of Black voters chose Biden over Trump.
(DIR) Post #AUE3xw5s4tTCLjYvEO by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-02T01:16:11.379570Z
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@SpinozasHeresy @freemo @JuliusGoat >Trump is abnormally successful with black voters for a Republican candidate>Trump is abnormally unsuccessful with black politicians for a Republican candidateI don't know, that sounds less of a Trump problem and more of a problem with black politicians not being aligned with the interests of black voters.
(DIR) Post #AUE3zoc8rECzjPYKdU by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:16:28Z
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@peterdrake @JuliusGoat Whonsaid anything about "In their timr in the white house".. biden has a history that is far more racist than trunp... in the white house being racist didnt suit his agenda, second being racist cost him votes he instead switched tactics and used black people as pawns. He was racist but playing the "look im not racist look at all my black friends" game becsuse he benefited. Just because he started using black people didnt make him lest racist, just meant he was strategic and hid it.Also keep in mind both people are family associates. Both Trump and Biden have had dinner and slept over my familys home.
(DIR) Post #AUE4DX5GpaZ1Ptib32 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-02T01:19:00.852810Z
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@JuliusGoat Historians have a word for Users who joined mastodon.social, not because they hated white people, but out of a hope for restored social media, or a sense of sexual anxiety, or a hope to preserve their virtue signaling, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. That word is "Tooter."Historians study their motives, but there is a broad understanding: their motives don’t exonerate them.
(DIR) Post #AUE4KPqq7Xjj0nFbKy by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-02T01:20:10.931641Z
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@helena_gilliss @JuliusGoat "Do not feel empathy for your own people"Nice advice
(DIR) Post #AUE54Awxr5Kc7Kw3G4 by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:28:30Z
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@freemo @peterdrake @JuliusGoat >> Both Trump and Biden have had dinner and slept over my familys home.Do go on...
(DIR) Post #AUE569frZNjijusdBA by tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:28:52Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Whom CAN you vote in the US and A who could make a difference in a completely corrupted kayfabe?Even in Germany, the party that could, in principle, make a real difference is bickering itself out of existence.
(DIR) Post #AUE5ES5qyHw6BMze3E by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:30:18Z
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@lucifargundam @peterdrake @JuliusGoat They basically act like their friends so they can beg us all for money... so every once in a while they stop by and eat our food and try to convince us their decent humans sonwe will throw them a bone.
(DIR) Post #AUE5H6mkePhExuKDgW by SpinozasHeresy@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:28:39Z
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@nerthos 8 percent. Again, do thy will is the whole of the law. Vote.
(DIR) Post #AUE5H7OgNO2OrY4Vo8 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-02T01:30:52.473100Z
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@SpinozasHeresy >Do thy will is the whole of the law.>Vote.Pick one. You can either champion militant libertarianism or endorse a system specifically designed to legitimize an illegitimate, traitorious government.
(DIR) Post #AUE5HOFjhtyz8j16iu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:30:52Z
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@tatzelbrumm @JuliusGoat Usualky there are 3 ton5 choices other thsn the democrat or republican choice on most ballota
(DIR) Post #AUE5dRxGci3CzatfrU by tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:34:53Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat … and virtually none of them have any chance to get elected.#kayfabe
(DIR) Post #AUE65WQ9c32Ex3nJSa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:39:55Z
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@tatzelbrumm @JuliusGoat Third parties have went from 1% to a majority about 8ntimes in the history of the usa and every time it happened suddenly over the course of only one or twonelections... so yes they have a chance
(DIR) Post #AUE6XSuWG0RsAnK1Fg by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:45:01Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat >> Whonsaid anything about "In their timr in the white house"In another branch of this thread, you said "he still keeps ... making low key racist comments...Dude hasnt changed a bit and is clesrly just playing the game."I'm saying that Biden HAS changed, but Trump hasn't.Is Biden devoid of racism now? No, none of us are, and it's not an all-or-nothing thing. Even if you're right and Biden is just following the political wind, Trump doesn't even do that much; he is openly more racist than the electorate.I'll say again: 90% of Black voters chose Biden over Trump. They know.
(DIR) Post #AUE6wpfgloEc0JTt1U by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:49:33Z
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@peterdrake Biden has changed his actions, fgor sure, not his racism.. He went from abusing minorities to using them to his own advantage... He realized that being racist lost him votes, so he decided instead to manipulate people and minorities and use them as fodder for his own career... he has not changed a bit.It is obviou because he doesnt even care if he picks quality minorities or not.. he will pick harris, who has an abusive record towards women and is a HORRIBLE choice, **just** because she is black.. he sees them as pawns that he can exploit to make himself paint the "im not racist" picture while staying just as racist as always... and you fell for it.Yes his little racist comments show it, like how he talked about obama being "The first mainstream black person who is clean cut and respectable" or something like that.. this is something he said not that long ago.Remember "You aint black if you dont vote for me"... the mans racist is as transparent as it gets.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUE771XjUDOTiecSMi by tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:51:26Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Given the absurdity of your and qoto.org's excommunication from significant parts of the Fediverse, "because you might hurt someone's [whom we can't identify, because it might hurt their feelings] feelings for reasons we can't tell you [because it might hurt the feelings of those who feel offended by you]",what's the chance of collective action that hasn't been reduced to absurdity from the get go?If Judith Butler didn't exist, Steve Bannon would have to invent her.
(DIR) Post #AUE7IZCufEAtJQNwJs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:53:29Z
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@tatzelbrumm The irony is qoto remains one of the top federated instances in the fediverse... because in order to not be blocked by some, you have to block a LOT... so in the end we still remain on top, and I'm ok with that.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUE7j3fO2WbBJEKrfU by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T01:58:19Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat >>he sees them as pawns that he can exploit to make himself paint the "im not racist" picture while staying just as racist as always... and you fell for it.So are you saying that 90% of Black voters "fell for it"?
(DIR) Post #AUE8Khf4IpAM488ZDE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:05:05Z
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@peterdrake Odd you should cherry pick one specific minority race, and ignore the huge portion who didnt vote at all.The number of non-whites who bothered to show up and support biden is something like 40%, not a majority at all... and yes I am saying something like 40% of minorities that were motivated to vote absolutely fell for it.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUE8Wduw35YLvdFggK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:07:14Z
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@peterdrake Also keep in mind that he wasnt even in the whitehouse yet when everyone voted for him.. so the whole using minorities as pawns and exploiting them to his advantage is not something anyone had a chance to witness yet.. There is a reason, even among minorities, his approval rating is absolutely abysmal now. People have seen his racist nonsense and are starting to realize he didnt change at all.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUE9HEC9V9K9lLWDTM by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:15:41Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Biden also got solid majorities of the Latino and Asian votes.I focused on those who voted because we have no data on those who didn't.
(DIR) Post #AUEA1nRul8KyQG64MC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:24:04Z
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@peterdrakeOf coirse we have data on those who didnt... we know they didnt feel compelled to go vote for him.And demonstrating them him exploiting minorities tonwinnminority votes worked for him only proves my point, he does whatever gets him the votes.The pictures youbshared of his cabnit tells it all. A person who isnt exploiting minorities woukd be picking people because of their skills not for being token black people. So youd have a staff that roughly resembles the generalnpopulation. Which is 12% black, so about one in 10 of his staff should be black, give or take... thats not what we see and it very obvious he was picking minorities simply for the sake of being minorities and thus exploiting them to compensate for his racist past and pander to them tonget their vote... and his manipulations and exploitations work, exactly as expected it.It worked so well he even got to fondle a few women and girls on stage as thry try tonpull away and as he would forcibly hold them by the arm... more than once.It amazes me everyone fall for such a transparent game from the guy who was all about segregation when it got him votes too. @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUEAhuIzetbzqh0JRw by peterdrake@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:31:43Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat >Of coirse we have data on those who didnt... we know they didnt feel compelled to go vote for him.They didn't feel compelled to go vote for Trump either.Again, I'm not denying Biden's racism. I'm simply asserting that Trump is worse.
(DIR) Post #AUEB0l6K6X4mnv4CUy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:35:04Z
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@peterdrake @JuliusGoat Correct they didnt vote for trump either... thsts the point. We have two racist "nazis".. trump and biden, these people voted for neither, as any rational person would.It is hard to compare to Bidens level of racism, then and now, no Trump isnt worse in that regard... Trump, overall, not just talking racism, is certainly onpar or maybe worse than biden. But in the racist department Biden is king and anyone who voted for him went full Nazi this election (whether they knew it or not)
(DIR) Post #AUEBbxjk5UnChxFF5s by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T02:41:48Z
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@peterdrake @JuliusGoat Whether you voted for the guy whonwas 100% Nazi, Biden, or the guy that was 95% Nazi, Trump, is kinda irrelevant... if you supported either your on the side of Nazis.
(DIR) Post #AUF4g8WJQr0Wmzxy4W by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-04-02T12:58:54Z
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@shoq @JuliusGoat :sticker_viking_facepalm:
(DIR) Post #AUF4tsrMSE5WH0MoAS by tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
2023-04-02T13:01:21Z
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@freemo @JuliusGoat Cancel culture administration that blocks qoto.org makes following some folks on some instances quite ... chaotic.
(DIR) Post #AUFd33Srn8rQDBSEdc by CheckingInOcassionally@mastodon.ie
2023-04-02T19:23:58Z
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@freemo @SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat "... hasnt changed a bit and is clesrly just playing the game."Confirmation bias is interesting. Consider it from another perspective:(Biden is a politician, which at least, erm, trumps an opportunist). Consider; He began playing the racist game, in hope of power to bring change, how would you see things now? Would you notice that his attempts to grab and hold photo-opts aren't just with females? Would white privilege shield low key comments?ASSumptions
(DIR) Post #AUFh0Wk6saW7xpZOwS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-02T20:08:18Z
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@CheckingInOcassionally You are right, confirmation bias is interesting...I think it is painfully obvious he is exploiting minorities to garner votes, im actually amazed its in doubt at allYea he takes photo-ops with males too... he just doesn't grope the males and hold them as he tries to kiss them to sniff them as they pull away.@SpinozasHeresy @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUJp09QfaOd9ty6YGe by helena_gilliss@mastodon.nl
2023-04-02T07:11:21Z
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@nerthos @JuliusGoat you do feel empathy for the people around you. Always. As humans we cannot deny love. But if we set some apart, if we ignore some, and they find each other, they will focus that love on each other, and that might induce hate against those outside that group. That’s how people can be set up against each other. That’s what we’ve seen in many different forms that we regret. It’s so wicked. Don’t exclude any, love and include all people, always.
(DIR) Post #AUJp0ABol6LQGCACky by nerthos@shitposter.club
2023-04-04T19:56:44.575103Z
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@helena_gilliss @JuliusGoat I think "love the people that love you, reject the people that hate you" is a lot more reasonable than loving and including people who are actively after your head, as to do that you need to reject and trivialize the needs of the people that care for you.What you argued in the previous post is not reasonable, specially when you place current Germany, a colonized nation, as an example to follow.
(DIR) Post #AUKdcdRLP4rWgFpJGy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-05T05:23:56Z
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@dogemocenigo > if at a dining table there are a Nazi and nine more people, then there are ten Nazis dining at that tableThis is fine, for a very specific definition of "nazi". Some people use "nazi" as a general slur against anyone with conservative views, and others as a general slur against anyone with views they perceive as too soft on authoritarianism, and your metaphor doesn't apply when the definition of "nazi" is so nebulous.@JuliusGoat @robchandhok
(DIR) Post #AUKduU60soYkufMPDM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-05T05:27:10Z
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"I am well and truly over all the nuance."https://infosec.exchange/@avuko/110125091204819204This, in a nutshell, is what's gone wrong with politics in the digital era and why democratic values are almost everywhere in decline.
(DIR) Post #AUKe3hDtRj8oESRGGu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-05T05:28:50Z
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@JuliusGoat > Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party... but not those who were part of the German government, army, etc during the Nazi period but did *not* join the party.
(DIR) Post #AUKeG5ZOkcfvDYPHPs by davew@mastodon.social
2023-04-01T18:39:57Z
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@JuliusGoat — they shouldn’t be called neonazis either. Nothing neo about a Nazi.
(DIR) Post #AUKeG6FwCShdLUJFiq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-05T05:31:03Z
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@davew > Nothing neo about a NaziI assume it's a way of distinguishing between those who were members of the Nazi Party, and those who have nostalgia for it.@JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUKeKezP0Kd6E9kXjs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-05T05:31:43Z
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@dogemocenigo > if at a dining table there are a Nazi and nine more people, then there are ten Nazis dining at that tableThis is fine, for a very specific definition of "nazi". Some people use "nazi" as a general slur against anyone with conservative views, and others as a general slur against anyone with views they perceive as too soft on authoritarianism, and your metaphor doesn't apply when the definition of "nazi" is so nebulous.@JuliusGoat @robchandhok @edgeoforever
(DIR) Post #AUKjvbyRg6K9MPk1Ds by amro@strangeobject.space
2023-04-05T06:34:32Z
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@strypey @JuliusGoat Yes, they did: collaborators.You can have your reasons to be an asshole, in the end you're still an asshole.If you think you're not an asshole but chose to work and socialize with assholes because assholes have their reasons; Asshole.If you think you're not an asshole but chose to work and socialize with assholes because you don't want to feel like an asshole; Asshole.If you are not an asshole but assholes started making the rules and the rules the rules, right? Asshole.Everyone has the right to be an asshole up until the point it harms others.Most assholes now a days actively or passively want to harm others. Giving them a voice in a democratic society is what created nazi germany or the usa after trump.So, don't loose yourselves in semantics about who is a nazi or a fascists, or just misguided. We all recognize who is being an asshole and sometimes the asshole is you.
(DIR) Post #AULAzBMUL4oFMDUJzE by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-04-05T11:37:50Z
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@strypey @dogemocenigo @JuliusGoat @robchandhok conservative views have nothing to do with Nazi. Rather the willingness to use power to exterminate people you dislike and considering this a non-dealbreaker. That’s a Nazi to me.
(DIR) Post #AULc8GzBUmIiAX9BLs by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-04-05T16:41:54Z
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@strypey @JuliusGoat Well, not to be "that guy" but historians don't have an agreed upon word for any of this. Anyone who thinks historians are just sitting around passing judgement on people is either very stupid or lieing. I understand the point OP is trying to make here, but we shouldn't misinterpret it as factual either.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9AEWrxJMtlkzQW by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-04-05T16:51:06Z
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@amro @strypey @JuliusGoat Well, not to be "that guy" but historians don't have an agreed upon word for any of this. Anyone who thinks historians are just sitting around passing judgement on people is either very stupid or lieing. I understand the point OP is trying to make here, but we shouldn't misinterpret it as factual either.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9Amuo6oicPqS1Y by amro@strangeobject.space
2023-04-05T18:35:02Z
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@ascott @strypey @JuliusGoat You are that guy; Members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party are historically called Nazi's, even by historians. That's not passing judgement about something subjective. We can debate if we want to call anti-democratic republican fascists, nazi's (probably not historically correct) but Nazi's are nazi's and the non-nazi's that worked for them are called collaborators (look up Vichy-regime or the dutch guy Seyss-Inquart).Historians have agreed on those words. And in the future historians will look back on this period and probably choose words our grand kids won't like to be called either to describe and categorize the people that are destroying society one human right at a time.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9BSkIaHGi9PrE0 by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-04-05T19:37:25Z
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@amro @strypey @JuliusGoat Perhaps I misunderstood then, or should have been more clear instead of focusing on semantics. If the point is just to categorize members of the National Socialist Part as Nazis, and those that helped the as collaborators, then what are we even doing here? Both are tautologies, and history is about a lot more than names, dates, and labels.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9CDBVvQN2B8wbo by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-04-05T19:38:15Z
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@amro @strypey @JuliusGoat That is, it doesn't resolve my issue with treating historians as a monolith. Historians like Zinn don't even treat WW2 as a peoples war. To argue whether people who sold goods to Nazis are technically Nazis themselves would be missing the point. It was not a struggle for better politics, it was not a struggle for humanity, it was a clash between imperialists in which regular people like you and me paid the price.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9CrF6zT12Psw2y by amro@strangeobject.space
2023-04-05T20:46:24Z
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@ascott @strypey @JuliusGoat Never heard of Zinn. I'm not claiming WWII was not an imperialistic war. The mechanism that made the rise to power of the nazi's in last century germany possible is the same that is turning the republican party in the USA in to a fascist party. Same goes for the tories in the UK and all their european counter parts.Only a struggle for better politics will break the cycle of an ultra rich elite using populists in a race to the bottom to maximize their profits. We need a globalization of human rights and a global distribution of wealth for everyone.We need to act on the weaponization of nationalism, racism and all the other schisms that populists use. So, I don't really care about your issue with historians. I care about the impression I get from your remarks that this is something that is up for debate, that the wording is too strong. That it is al academic.
(DIR) Post #AUOe9DTWoe5kx9nViq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-07T03:48:37Z
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@amro> turning the republican party in the USA in to a fascist party. Same goes for the tories in the UK and all their european counter partsClaiming all right-leaning parties are fascists is like claiming all left-leaning parties are communists (in the Stalin-era USSR sense of the word). This isn't political analysis, it's demonization.(1/2)@ascott @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUOenuhFXVBqaKcatE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-07T03:56:00Z
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@amroYou know what actually allowed the Nazis to take power in Germany? They demonized their opponents and people bought into it, and helped them dismantle the democratic institutions that would have protected people's capacity to oppose them. Civil rights like freedoms of political speech and association. Freedom of the press. Things like due process and the independence of the judiciary, and the police, from the executive.(2/2)@ascott @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUOfKuXP9P0peHkcbI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-07T04:02:00Z
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@amroAcademic freedom is another one.Look at the people eroding these kinds of democratic institutions today and you'll see who today's collaborators are. Most of them are blissfully unaware of whose interests they're serving, and in the ultimate irony, accuse anyone who questions the wisdom of their method of being collaborators.(3/3)@ascott @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUOg1MyLp0SI02bJ0y by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-07T04:09:37Z
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@edgeoforever> the willingness to use power to exterminate people you dislikeI can agree with this, provided the definition of "exterminate" is literally, physical kill. Not question their identity or some other woolly definition.@dogemocenigo @JuliusGoat @robchandhok
(DIR) Post #AUOsImVDLzJfYK2ciG by amro@strangeobject.space
2023-04-07T06:27:12Z
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@strypey It's like screaming in a distorted mirror, isn't? I think I get the point you're making but from where i'm standing in this discourse I see right winged conservative parties sliding into more and more outright extreme political stances all the while screaming that they're being demonized if you call them out on that. At the same time those conservatives would spew the most hateful accusations at their left wing or centrist opponents in the name of freedom of expression. And now we have arrived at the point (at least here in The Netherlands) sexual education for kids is being scandalized by an alt-right dutch party.I haven't seen any large rise in extreme left wing violence or radicalization of left wing parties in the last 30 years. I have seen that on the right side of the spectrum...So, where does that leave us? @ascott @JuliusGoat
(DIR) Post #AUqy9vEs3DSOecwUrY by dogemocenigo@ioc.exchange
2023-04-20T19:44:40Z
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@strypey @JuliusGoat @robchandhok @edgeoforever No. If someone accepts to be at the same table with a Nazi (provided they are doing it willingly, and they know that they are at the same table with a Nazi ), then for all purposes I see them as approving. Hence accomplices, supporters, or accessories to the crimes or the ideology of nazism. Hence, Nazi. Being conservative does not make anyone a Nazi per se!
(DIR) Post #AUsEoXI9mbAGgJpMga by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-21T10:26:09Z
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@dogemocenigoPretty sure I addressed this here:https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110144566313843293@JuliusGoat @robchandhok @edgeoforever
(DIR) Post #AUsErkIjs2s9tkd8im by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-04-21T10:26:33Z
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@dogemocenigoPretty sure I addressed this here:https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110144566313843293
(DIR) Post #AUuPgiwO4nEYIz2gUK by dogemocenigo@ioc.exchange
2023-04-22T11:37:22Z
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@strypey well, yes, I was just confirming the point.