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(DIR) Post #AU71AyfCcuCSt3RhWS by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T15:41:25Z
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I continue to be mystified by the sentiment that being a First Amendment advocate means *socially* tolerating people I find obnoxious or contemptible. I keep getting “what kind of free speech advocate blocks people?” The kind who doesn’t deal with assholes when not professionally compelled to do so. The First Amendment isn’t a hair shirt.
(DIR) Post #AU73eRhJxOXbF0cFKy by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T15:48:15Z
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/2 I mean most of these people like to imagine that they’re fuckin Galileo tugging at the hem of my robe asking me to consider their alternative to geocentricity in the name of Science. Guys, that’s just not you. I’ve got plenty of people already yelling at me about how I’m a cuck or wanting to lecture me about whether or not women have penises or about how the incorporation doctrine is wrong. If I need input on those subjects I’m all set, thanks.
(DIR) Post #AU73eSG3sEKWykrzUG by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T15:51:11Z
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/3 Sometimes it seems like some sort of stylized cult of manhood, where to be a Real Man you have to constantly surround yourself with people you find completely insufferable. Leave me out of that one Charles Atlas. And it’s not like they really mean it. The dudes wanting me to sit through their right-wing bullshit are not seeking out dialogue with purple-haired Che-shirt wearers screaming at them that meat is murder. Spare me the pretense.
(DIR) Post #AU73eU6Z0VvAhsRQxc by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T15:56:05Z
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/4 This kind of goes to my whole quarrel with the “complain to kids about cancel culture” approach. The free speech bargain — leave the government out of your beefs and solve them yourselves with speech and association — relies on me feeling free to say when I think people are assholes and shun them. A society that tries to sell me on “oh assholes have a maximum right to speak but we are going to enact a quasi-Victorian set of social rules about how you react” is unappealing to me.
(DIR) Post #AU73eVaNV9MdIdOl4S by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T16:02:37Z
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/5 As long as I’ve been writing in public about “wow this guy’s an asshole but his speech is protected,” I’ve been pestered by people saying “oh but why did you have to say he’s an asshole, you didn’t have to say that.” Yeah, you didn’t have to be a tedious nag, but here we fuckin are. Robustly calling out assholes while accurately limning their rights is supposed to model how the free speech bargain works.
(DIR) Post #AU73f2JVosTsnslFrc by robhon@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T15:51:22Z
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@Popehat "The freedom to be an asshole doesn't prevent people from shining a bright light on your assholery." —Sphincterboi
(DIR) Post #AU76Ed2zR9hUm48HNg by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-03-29T16:38:30Z
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@PopehatI think we must maintain an exposure to the best arguments we don't like. And try not to block unless they're harassing people. But somebody who gets lots of comments is bound to get the same dumb shit they've already thought through many, many times. That must get exhausting.Running a show that tries to have these conversations, basically nobody wants to make themselves truly vulnerable to ideas they disagree with. Some social media convos are good, but nothing like voice.
(DIR) Post #AU7Mi5uCotqVwQ60jg by markmason@mas.to
2023-03-29T15:57:06Z
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@Popehat You have the right to speak. I have the right not to listen.
(DIR) Post #AU7Mi6ZKM0jtzxKqpc by Popehat@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T16:03:12Z
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@markmason that’s what I tried to explain to my wife but it went badly
(DIR) Post #AU7MsPRH3AypQ1TwUi by johninfante@mastodon.world
2023-03-29T16:07:22Z
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@Popehat If you don’t point out that you think they’re an asshole, you get people using the logic that because you supported someone’s right to say something, you agree with the content. So damned if you do, damned if you don’t, might as well get criticized for something true.
(DIR) Post #AU7NLpDsGW3BmfEzqK by AvvieLanche@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T17:17:42Z
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@Popehat free speech is a failed construct and gave us Nazism and religious oppression. Time to stop defending it. The entire reason the Fourth Reich happened is because someone gave Hitler a PA system.
(DIR) Post #AU7NLpkqHwQDQufKEK by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-03-29T19:50:23.650730Z
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@AvvieLanche @Popehat …actually it was the very own German political class (von Schleicher, von Papen, Hindenburg, virtually all of Bavarian powers) who not only made sure that such a controversial Austrian who committed a coup attempt and had his niece commit suicide was not ejected from Germany – but was in fact made chancellor because they preferrred them to the communists, but hey, close enough :blobcatshrug:
(DIR) Post #AU7NYNgpwXUY9mm704 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-03-29T19:52:41.193506Z
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@AvvieLanche @Popehat …#actually it was the very own German political class (von Schleicher, von Papen, Hindenburg, virtually all of Bavarian powers) who not only made sure that such a controversial Austrian who committed a coup attempt and had his niece commit suicide was not ejected from Germany… but in fact they appointed him chancellor because they preferred them to the communists and thought they could control him. But hey, close enough :blobcatshrug:
(DIR) Post #AU7OZFY5nScX9SfAY4 by AvvieLanche@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T19:57:51Z
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@xerz @Popehat http://churchaudio.blogspot.com/2009/02/hitler-didnt-start-wwii-sound-guys-did.html?m=1
(DIR) Post #AU7OZGFhBLUzKh3zVo by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-03-29T20:03:57.275553Z
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@AvvieLanche @Popehat I mean, cool innovations being used for grandiose nazi propaganda aside, please note that there were repeatedly legitimate reasons why not only Hitler shouldn’t have been allowed to participate in politics, but could have been expelled from Germany altogether. Not expelling him was a clear choice. It wasn’t just speech.“Most important, what both conservative politicians and a conservative judiciary in Bavaria failed to do was rid themselves of this dangerous agitator by expelling him from the country as an unwelcome convicted felon of Austrian citizenship. Instead, they—and eventually the old-guard establishment right throughout Germany—enabled his improbable political comeback.“https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/nazi-germany-hitler-democracy-weimar/671605/
(DIR) Post #AU7QXL0UjThtPPAE9w by AvvieLanche@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T20:23:33Z
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@xerz @Popehat you should note that Musk's Twitter, trump's "Truth" Social, Murdock's NewsCorp, Salem Media's empire and Putin's Rumble are all doing.the exact same thing.
(DIR) Post #AU7QXLjs0m0Fg8OSsy by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2023-03-29T20:26:02.702412Z
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@AvvieLanche You're taking it all wrong. I don't know what's the best approach to speech (at the moment I find it's all tradeoffs of how much powers can be abused). I'm not even an US citizen. I see how bad things are getting.But they're getting there because there's a core audience that is easily persuaded AND there's an all-powerful GOP in a two party state that wanted Trump to go ahead. Not just allowed, but encouraged. History is clear in that the NSDAP and Hitler got there in a similar fashion, because the German bourgeois were so afraid of a second communist revolution happening anytime ‒ I believe the same logic is ongoing. I don't think speech laws are going to do anything about it, other than letting them victimize themselves, pay a few fines, and then push the laws further when they're in power to.Hope you over there figure out this one. The world depends on it. I just can't find abolishing the first amendment to be the answer. I think that from dealing with fascists and conservatives myself. No speech law is going to make them think different.