Post AU6kHEVCx86sWjATEe by jladata@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AU6eJNdrLMpbj7r5bE by thunderbird@mastodon.online
2023-03-29T08:52:07Z
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Open discussion: How are you feeling about AI right now, specifically in terms of generative Large Language Model AI tools (such as #ChatGPT) being used as a work assistant? Could it be beneficial if done properly? Or is it just a privacy nightmare waiting to happen? It's a divisive topic, and there are bound to be many heated but valid opinions. Let's talk about it. (❗No, we don't have any current plans for #AI in #Thunderbird.)
(DIR) Post #AU6eJOBBLTUDOTRhXU by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T09:05:54Z
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@thunderbird It's scary to think of the unintentional chaos it'll cause when used be people who put too much confidence in it - not realising the limitations it has, the biases it has and what it's actually outputting. *(For example, someone getting AI to code a website that handles personal information. Many examples of insecure AI-generated code floating around.)*
(DIR) Post #AU6eJOs4lznVXVVxOi by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T09:10:35Z
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@thunderbird I personally wouldn't mind something like ChatGPT in Thunderbird or even in #ObsidianMD - being able to ask a more natural question of my own data, such as, "What is this email thread about?" or, "Can you give me a summary of last month?" I feel would be incredibly useful.However, my main contention would be that a solution like this would have to be:- On-device, no cloud processing- Transparent, explains where it got that information from
(DIR) Post #AU6eJPa28YxXjq53ui by markmcelroy@pkm.social
2023-03-29T11:02:57Z
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@BenjaminNelan @thunderbird That transparency dimension is a frequently overlooked criteria. Thanks for calling it out. A ChatGPT-generated biography of me contains about 40% completely made up and inaccurate material. It'd be cool to know where that came from and/or why it was included, especially since the correct facts persist from attempt to attempt, while the falsehoods always vary.
(DIR) Post #AU6eJPdvu44vvvuAzY by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T09:12:36Z
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@thunderbird Sadly, there is still a huge uncertainty issue with AI that needs to be resolved. I recently tried to get it to summarise a list of camera notes I took (a list of timecodes with comments) into groups. What it gave me at first seemed right, but I noticed it missed some stuff out. When I pointed it out it said, "I apologize, I missed this, I have checked again and have ensured that I haven't missed any other notes."But it had. I would have been better off just regex'ing it.
(DIR) Post #AU6eJQmpeSn7Tp4nVA by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T11:25:21Z
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@markmcelroy @BenjaminNelan @thunderbird Holy cow. I asked ChatGPT to write a 5-paragraph biography of me, and I'd estimate the same percentage of flat-out wrong details. I wasn't born in 1976, never went to Youngstown State, never wrote for Ars Technica, and never joined Red Hat as a Senior Linux Evangelist. Although that sounds like a kickass job 😂
(DIR) Post #AU6fa2CWPhnA6dZcaO by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T11:39:30Z
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@killyourfm @markmcelroy @thunderbird Here it is with the GPT4 model, how'd it do?
(DIR) Post #AU6g6L15zbndjEdHMW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T11:45:27Z
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@BenjaminNelan @markmcelroy @thunderbird Well, the facts are much closer to being facts! The birth year is right, the home state is right. And I'm impressed that it detected my shift to Linux and the resulting content (wrong year, but close). Also, I LOVE this fictitious rock group I'm in!
(DIR) Post #AU6gcxAveh6PLGmgPg by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T11:44:52Z
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@killyourfm @markmcelroy @thunderbird Wooooooow. 🫠Can't wait to employ this in future footnotes: "The information in this sentence was completely fabricated (maybe)."
(DIR) Post #AU6gcxjJaqbl3us90i by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T11:51:16Z
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@BenjaminNelan @markmcelroy @thunderbird (But I won't admit it until you call me out)
(DIR) Post #AU6gg59CTIzUw5T2eW by BenjaminNelan@mastodon.social
2023-03-29T11:51:50Z
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@killyourfm @markmcelroy @thunderbird I can't wait for *Silent Uprising's *next album. 😅 Where is it even getting this from I wonder? I thought maybe there's another Jason Evangelho it's getting mixed up with but google doesn't seem to turn up anything.On the plus side, Bing AI plays it a bit closer to the chest:
(DIR) Post #AU6granb8FxQHqqs6q by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T11:53:43Z
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@BenjaminNelan @markmcelroy @thunderbird I'm really curious too. I am 99.9% positive there are no other Jason Evangelhos on earth.
(DIR) Post #AU6kHEVCx86sWjATEe by jladata@fosstodon.org
2023-03-29T09:06:46Z
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@thunderbird I have used it in "dumb intern" mode, and was pleasantly surprised.No Skynet, and at present incapable of independent work. Tons of big question marks - starting with privacy (sending my prompt to some API) to legality of training materials (it has scraped Wikipedia and Stack Overflow, both under CC-BY-SA licenses). But having said that that I have found it very helpful in my line of work, quite worth the $20 subscription price. Mostly as a faster alternative to Google search.
(DIR) Post #AU6kHFLJpNnH8LY5Sa by PictoPirate@ioc.exchange
2023-03-29T09:19:32Z
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@jladata @thunderbird Do you check the results yourself? I’ve seen loads of examples of it being just plain wrong. If you have to check if it’s right that won’t save time. If you don’t check there’s a risk it’s wrong…
(DIR) Post #AU6kHFwtZfqr0t861w by thunderbird@mastodon.online
2023-03-29T09:21:33Z
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@PictoPirate @jladata It's not just wrong, but CONFIDENTLY wrong. But you're absolutely right: until YOU can be confident that it's always going to be 100% factual, it's potentially a waste of time.
(DIR) Post #AU6kHGUDZmVSgEihyC by Magess@fandom.ink
2023-03-29T12:26:50Z
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Ultimately that's because it's not a knowledgebase. It's not referencing facts, it's referencing sentence structures. The way they've built ChatGPT is very much to convince you that it's 1) a mind and 2) a knowledgebase. Cause that people will pay for.You ask it questions (requests for information).It pauses and produces results that look like a person typing (mimic something with a mind).But it's just filling in statistically likely words next to each other.
(DIR) Post #AU6kHHHUcZvD93m3m4 by Magess@fandom.ink
2023-03-29T12:28:05Z
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It's pretty great at producing form letters because those all DO have a set structure and are likely to contain the same words in very similar orders.You can generate a "statement from the CEO" that's totally usable cause all statements from CEOs are the same vacuous buzz words and contain no information.
(DIR) Post #AU6kHHu8IupX4tqv0C by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T12:32:00Z
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@Magess brb have to try this...
(DIR) Post #AU6m4exPTzHWidUXGS by Magess@fandom.ink
2023-03-29T12:52:01Z
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@killyourfm I recommend following @emilymbender if you aren't already
(DIR) Post #AU6mM0zkneUrzUrbIu by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-03-29T12:55:29Z
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@Magess You were right! I created a couple fake letters about various decisions, and instructed it to use "conversational but confident" language. The results were honestly pretty solid, and convincing.
(DIR) Post #AU6mZRKmBPflRd68a8 by Magess@fandom.ink
2023-03-29T12:57:38Z
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@killyourfm A friend generated an email from my company's CEO, and I think it could easily have been something dredged out of my inbox. Rather than trying to replace writers, we should clearly replace CEOs :P
(DIR) Post #AU6yk0MS0VeUQOgYng by hehemrin@social.librem.one
2023-03-29T15:14:40Z
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@thunderbird I believe AI can be very useful and helpful in many ways for earth and humanity. But like much knowledge and technologies, what can be used in a good way can also be used in a bad way. AI has a good chance to become (or is) powerful, which means it is important we discuss ethics, what should be allowed and not, what it means for job, how to manage "bad usage" and so on. My starting point is on the sceptic side, to be careful as a starting point.
(DIR) Post #AU8mRZmhgDi7CFeggy by thunderbird@mastodon.online
2023-03-30T08:48:00Z
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In light of this discussion, this feels like an important thing to share (an open letter from various tech pioneers urging #AI labs to pause all development for 6 months): https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
(DIR) Post #AU8mRaSXAhAfHzE5tQ by f4grx@mastodon.social
2023-03-30T10:57:51Z
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@thunderbird Please dont put AI into thunderbird. It will be an instant uninstall.