Post AU2tQ3ZP5eVuBMZaT2 by budgibson@me.dm
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 (DIR) Post #AU2mo04X30uwbXbSFc by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T14:01:26Z
       
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       Hearing regularly from high school and college students dispirited at essentially being forced to use CGPT to write essays and do homework, given that their peers are, and they are at a competitive and time disadvantage without it, even if they'd like to, you know, learn.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2mo0tvxu2BAxeVN2 by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T14:13:03Z
       
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       People know exactly how much text/response modulation is required to avoid detection, and it isn't much. As a result, there is no fear of being caught, and the risk of falling behind peers who are faking it is immense.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2mo1f58bkRXBi9rM by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T14:13:04Z
       
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       And even in-class work is fraught, given that laptops are often needed. Sure, faculty can tell students to turn off wifi, but in a classroom with a few hundred sttudents you can only be so many places at once, and the result is furtive CGPT-ing all over the room.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2mo2WFwuHaC6ack4 by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T14:13:05Z
       
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       It's all becoming ethics theater. We'll pretend to teach; you'll pretend to learn.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2mo32rzeN1pFqfZo by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
       2023-03-27T14:42:04.488949Z
       
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       @paul Well, Western academia is corrupt anyway, perhaps beyond repair. It's a body of institutions that are more leftist-progressive brainwashing centers than they are centers of knowledge and research. This is particularly the case in the humanities, which is where college and high school students are most likely going to need to write essays, so is there truly anything of value being lost?
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2tQ2RZHIeSgltocC by budgibson@me.dm
       2023-03-27T14:26:23Z
       
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       @paul TBH, I think you’re getting out over your skis here. People will still have to develop competencies. It’s just that those competencies will be different to suit an AI-enhanced environment. What you teach and what people learn will be different.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2tQ30fAoiyRcJqJk by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T14:42:25Z
       
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       @budgibson I disagree, obviously. These are not calculators, which removed drudgery. Symbolic manipulation for the purpose of weighing evidence, constructing arguments, and deploying language are the near the top of cognitive pyramid. Unless you're expecting rapid evolutionary leaps, it's problematic.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2tQ3ZP5eVuBMZaT2 by budgibson@me.dm
       2023-03-27T15:15:10Z
       
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       @paul I’m reminded of @simon’s recent post where he got chatGPT to crank out some AppleScript without himself knowing AppleScript, a win. That was one very specific test done by a highly skilled practitioner. I think a test of your assertion would be to take a naive user (we’ll have to define what that means) and have them do a similar task. What they have to know to do is what you have to teach them.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2tQ49uttik0bekNc by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T15:17:21Z
       
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       @budgibson @simon I'm hugely in favor of making software production itself less of priesthood and more open, as I've written extensively. I think there are immense opportunities for flourishing there, given decades of software production, complexity, and cost.
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2tQ6Ff7VVMV0MMc4 by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
       2023-03-27T15:53:40Z
       
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       @paul I'm really excited about the vision for LLM-assisted end-user programming laid out in this post: https://www.geoffreylitt.com/2023/03/25/llm-end-user-programming.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AU2x5lFLuF8vNVlvHc by paul@social.paulkedrosky.com
       2023-03-27T16:35:11Z
       
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       @simon Yes, and in case you didn't see it, we wrote a long thing on the topic. https://skventures.substack.com/p/societys-technical-debt-and-softwares
       
 (DIR) Post #AU30WXqM99CLUSXkTA by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
       2023-03-27T17:13:02Z
       
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       @paul Oh I like this quote a lot:> Software production has been too complex and expensive for too long, which has caused us to underproduce software for decades, resulting in immense, society-wide technical debt.