Post ATyTJba6rb7aCPKJRw by romanian@tooting.ch
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(DIR) Post #ATxDvoqIDNkzuI8UxU by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T22:17:45Z
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Today I found out that 120 top barristers and lawyers of the #UK have jointly agreed to no longer partake in prosecution of #ClimateChange protesters and will also no longer work for #FossilFuel companies.Their declaration will be read outside the Royal Courts of Justice, London, this Wednesday 29th March and I plan to travel there to show my support for them."The first time in legal history that barristers have engaged in a collective act of civil disobedience."https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65067321
(DIR) Post #ATxEIk89tpNhxCQKae by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T22:21:53Z
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More detail from The Guardian:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/24/top-lawyers-defy-bar-declare-will-not-prosecute-peaceful-climate-protestersAnd perspective from the The Express ;)https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1750357/extinction-rebellion-just-stop-oil-lawyers-eco-protest
(DIR) Post #ATxImV0p4avjZMR8Wu by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T23:12:02Z
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@sheogorath Ahahah baristas should too! No coffee or legal representation for fossil fuel companies = Climate change sorted!
(DIR) Post #ATxMoZTbqUA7oL92tU by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-03-24T23:57:17Z
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@eliptic This kind of ci il disobedience is what it is goung to take to effect real change. Governments are not going to do it.
(DIR) Post #ATxNG7F8PVRoM3VbSi by zl2tod@mastodon.nz
2023-03-25T00:02:14Z
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@eliptic feat. Jolyon Maugham who really should sort himself out a proper Mastodon presence.Kiwis represent!
(DIR) Post #ATxPXxg8uQIBoPmLTM by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T00:27:55Z
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@zl2tod Get him on!
(DIR) Post #ATxQW4jBpUFR38ru9w by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T00:38:45Z
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@Oozenet Yes. Here in the UK the government are unwilling to act on behalf of the nation. Barristers and lawyers are now part of growing number of groups and professions who have decided to take matters into their own hands because the state has failed to. The others include teachers, rail workers, civil servants, junior doctors, nurses and ambulance crews. All on strike against government policy. The people of the #UK are rising up and taking charge for the good of society and I'm proud of it.
(DIR) Post #ATxRzxvvkuUscPe1Sa by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T00:55:22Z
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@eliptic I too am glad it is finally happening. Just a shame things had to get so bad before people stood up. Hoping this happens here soon before we get to that stage. Maybe we can learn from you.
(DIR) Post #ATxTIXzuVaDTdVvkHY by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T01:09:57Z
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@Oozenet Yeah, I wish it hadn't come to this either. I can't even completely blame the current government. Decisions since the 80s with the purpose of the #economy (or lack thereof) have led to this. Not just for us here in the #UK and Europe but even more so for Americans. The poverty and suffering in what we once thought of as rich nations is staggering. I feel like I see hope in a critical mass of opposition to it now. All of us have to fight for it now though or the opportunity will lost.
(DIR) Post #ATxcrdjM5IFj8izki8 by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T02:57:07Z
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@eliptic The government is only an avatar of the electorate. The electorate holds the ultimate responsibility. The opportunity is never lost.
(DIR) Post #ATxdHSgXm0I2Pczc6S by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T03:01:47Z
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@eliptic Climate seems to be the only area where the majority r taking action. The threat to civilisation is far more diverse & complex. We need to take holistic perspective & specialists must listen/act together. #WeThePeoples need #Unity #Justice. That said Change has to start somewhere & this action is laudable & absolutely worth of support.
(DIR) Post #ATxdt8yNVmZAHPIqDg by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T03:08:36Z
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@eliptic @Oozenet"we hold their capital in our debt" radical has to be the new normal, we have the critical mass of 25% we need to work in #Unity/partnership to achieve a common goal: a better world/future supported by #Equality #Justice #Education @RianeEisler @ExtinctionR @GoodLawProject @RiveraSunAuthor
(DIR) Post #ATyDu89xcKQYOgUSky by MrInappropriate@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-25T09:52:09Z
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@eliptic Never thought I’d say this, but good for those lawyers. There will, of course, be many other bottom feeding ethically bankrupt others who can now charge more.
(DIR) Post #ATyLXf3LxAkJO4CF0a by osma@mas.to
2023-03-25T11:17:43Z
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@eliptic I don't get this. How is it civil disobedience to exercise one's right to choose clients? I mean, this isn't even refusal to act as as defense.
(DIR) Post #ATyTJba6rb7aCPKJRw by romanian@tooting.ch
2023-03-25T12:44:49Z
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@eliptic perfect, now I will start shoplifting and mugging in the name of the climate😂)
(DIR) Post #ATyTi0twNOyxg3F0uu by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T12:49:15Z
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@romanian I can't guarantee that would work but maybe you should try it and let us know how it goes!
(DIR) Post #ATybQ8Xw0rKFoCw1Ee by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T03:15:08Z
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@Oozenet @eliptic Government is about people doing their bit, ordinary people in "the back room". It's not about heads of department (ministers, prime or otherwise) we are all deluded if we believe otherwise. 'The people of England deceive themselves when they fancy they are free; they are so, in fact, only during the election of Members of Parliament: for, as soon as a new one is elected, they are again in chains, and are nothing.' Jean-Jacques Rousseau, The Social Contract (1762)
(DIR) Post #ATybQ9DPWeVDsqL8sq by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T03:51:23Z
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@Herefordrob @eliptic It sounds to me like they are free but they are making spectacularly bad choices about who they elect combined with not holding the elected to account.
(DIR) Post #ATybQ9uIxAoW1sPOk4 by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T10:07:01Z
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@Oozenet @eliptic Sadly I don't believe adversarial party politics as a way out of the mess we're in. It does not promote open dialogue but a following of the party line, thus subsuming the individuals voice. Representative has failed us. We need participative democracy, sortition may be one way.
(DIR) Post #ATybQARyvxkhiKAIEa by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T10:08:34Z
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@Oozenet @eliptic We need to experiment with democracy not put it in a box. It let's #civilsociety thrive & people grow. @democracywb @YWF_Global @CUNCRthinktank @worldfederalisthttps://riverasun.com/the-laboratory-of-democracy/
(DIR) Post #ATybQAywxO7jMZacca by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T14:15:40Z
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@Herefordrob Thanks for the link. I'm really hoping for reinvention and innovation in our western democracies. Historically we all have such a strong tradition of it which I want to used to further the cause of 'common' people.
(DIR) Post #ATycQ7BTB5nbXOyqGG by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T14:26:53Z
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@osma I don't know the details but it's my understanding that there are rules governing lawyers which require them to represent anyone who requires it. The purpose of this is to ensure that nobody is left unrepresented on the basis of personal bias and politics. It will produce instances like this where morality and process are at odds with each other and one has to change to accomodate the other for it to be resolved. People want government policy to change, so it's that which should change.
(DIR) Post #ATyf75eSwzyF96AAfw by Herefordrob@mindly.social
2023-03-25T14:57:02Z
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@elipticWe need to change politics. People don't trust politicians and don't trust the decisions politicians make. Perhaps because those elected to represent us are not like us? Or perhaps because politicians are constrained by powerful vested interests, media conglomerates, party factions and highly ideological party members?https://www.sortitionfoundation.org/citizens_assembly
(DIR) Post #ATylNOwHbkANK4eqOW by osma@mas.to
2023-03-25T16:07:13Z
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@eliptic I get that requirement in defense, but in this case they seem to be refusing to represent a plaintiff in an immoral accusation. Bur, 🤷
(DIR) Post #ATymQRNf5PoJiaTdqq by Shanmonster@c.im
2023-03-25T16:18:57Z
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@eliptic I hope fossil fuel companies will have to resort to Amber Heard’s legal team from now on.
(DIR) Post #ATyvyT0QRvHqBxuNhg by drgeraint@glasgow.social
2023-03-25T18:05:59Z
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@eliptic This looks like a really good initiative.Unsurprisongly, that BBC article misrepresents the situation. All the criticism levelled at the barristers seems to be on the basis that they will not represent defendants, whereas their actual stance is that they will not prosecute them. Big difference.
(DIR) Post #ATzEzmnoEKdB0aLkMS by PaulNickson@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T21:39:05Z
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@eliptic @Oozenet That’s brilliant. I’d not looked at it that way before.Negative view - the Govt have screwed up & don’t care. We’re doomed.Positive view - the people are taking over and saving the day.
(DIR) Post #ATzFEFTGRCB7ycdVNA by revndm@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T21:41:37Z
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@eliptic @Oozenet I’m happy to hear it. Go Britons!
(DIR) Post #ATzGDfvcgTVfhJBvG4 by eliptic@mstdn.social
2023-03-25T21:52:50Z
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@PaulNickson Yes! The biggest gains in justice and liberty were won by our forebears at the bottom who fought to rise up and claim them. They weren't granted by those already in power out the kindness of their hearts. We have a rich and beautiful democratic tradition which I think we will uphold. We can't give up now :)
(DIR) Post #ATzGeuFrWigBwtdv9s by PaulNickson@mastodon.social
2023-03-25T21:57:39Z
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@eliptic Agreed. It’s against their interests for the landed gentry to give us anything so they don’t. If we want it we demand it. If that doesn’t work we take it.
(DIR) Post #ATzRrIJezaSjXoWrC4 by GhostOnTheHalfShell@masto.ai
2023-03-26T00:03:05Z
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@eliptic Maggie put spoke of global warming in 89. A trained chemical analyst she accepted the science then
(DIR) Post #AU0DqyCwYB0WymIYdM by FreedomEnslaves@mastodon.social
2023-03-26T09:01:00Z
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@eliptic @Oozenet not enough though. We need to be like the French
(DIR) Post #AU0UQaQg2AY4vIj9U0 by SiSe@kolektiva.social
2023-03-26T12:06:44Z
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@eliptic 👏👏👏👏