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(DIR) Post #ATxFjt1X2j7xJApa6K by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T11:47:00Z
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My wife and I have been talking about how some jobs have these psychological tests as part of the application process, and that those tests weed out neurodivergent folks. She said she has never gotten one of those jobs, because she tends to interpret the questions literally, even if that's not their intent. I honestly think they shouldn't use the tests at all.
(DIR) Post #ATxFjtrHwIWlth2um0 by mstrmustache@kolektiva.social
2023-03-24T15:27:34Z
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@calculsoberic I worked at an arcade chain years ago that had a question on the application "Why do employees steal?"Their standard was that any answer other than "I don't know" was an admission that they WOULD steal and were therefore unhireable. It was a stated but unwritten rule that they wanted people either smart enough to see the trap or who honestly couldn't imagine stealing from the company.
(DIR) Post #ATxLDkPA9T372GwTp2 by theawkwardtsar@stranger.social
2023-03-24T12:24:27Z
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@calculsoberic 2 weeks ago I was talking with a friend of mine who is in a leadership position at a co that designs such tests for employers. Although their customers can certainly do their own interpretation of the findings (nudge nudge wink wink - e.g. "don't hire that person because all they're going to do is come up with new ideas and little implementation) the focus on his co's test output is how that person has ADVANTAGES that can be utilized effectively on a team.
(DIR) Post #ATxLRwcNXYV8y5tSb2 by Cleopatra@c.im
2023-03-24T12:25:34Z
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@calculsoberic When i get these tests (luckily not very often) i try to answer them the way that i want them to see me, not the way that i really am. And i think i'm reasonably good at that.It's all quit stupid and useless and at the moments when i could afford it a strong reason to stop applying with that company (the hiring process tends to tell a lot about company culture)
(DIR) Post #ATxLh9NmMe8YttJcGG by mjibrower@mastodon.social
2023-03-24T19:21:36Z
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@mstrmustache @calculsoberic I took a similar test when I applied at a convenience store once. There was a T/F question that was “I have used drugs in the past, but it does not affect my job performance now.”
(DIR) Post #ATxLpa9KjGL6EXZxr6 by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T19:23:43Z
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@mjibrower And what qualifies as a "drug"? Illegal drugs? @mstrmustache
(DIR) Post #ATxM3x0cXDmpBXM5Tc by mstrmustache@kolektiva.social
2023-03-24T19:24:52Z
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@calculsoberic @mjibrower That's the trick, they don't care.
(DIR) Post #ATxMAtH8oYV3dIOLvU by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T19:27:31Z
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@mstrmustache I technically take drugs (medication) which are illegal without a prescription, so does that count as "taking drugs"? @mjibrower
(DIR) Post #ATxMCd6DvZwG2i79u4 by theawkwardtsar@stranger.social
2023-03-24T12:31:38Z
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@calculsoberic Those tests are not lie detectors though. I'm an INFP, and if, for some absolutely insane reason I wanted to apply for a sales position, I could rehearse and perform for the interview and answer the questions based on what I think they're looking for. I wonder what laws dictate, if anything, around the sharing of that info. Can ABC Test Co share my answers from when I applied to Big Sales Co with "INFP's R Us"? Sort of like that Seinfeld episode with Elaine's medical notes...
(DIR) Post #ATxMGD9QLSPIivJqiG by justafrog@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T12:37:28Z
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@calculsoberic I haven't seen any decent science which establishes those are anything more than tests of humility.As in, how much corporate bullshit are you prepared to endure to get this bread?
(DIR) Post #ATxMSrmX6fWuDFe9WC by mstrmustache@kolektiva.social
2023-03-24T19:30:34Z
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@calculsoberic @mjibrower That's the bonus for the corps: either they get to go after you for legal OR illegal drugs. They write these things with malice aforethought and intent to only benefit themselves.
(DIR) Post #ATxOIMq3UubrFyPpUO by arclight@oldbytes.space
2023-03-24T12:56:52Z
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@calculsoberic Based on my experience with HR departments, they are possibly the least able to judge the psychological fitness of others.My first job had me take the MMPI and talk to a psychologist (the psychologist even remarked that the MMPI wasn't designed to do what they used it for). This was mainly a check for undisclosed mental illness because the job involved unescorted access* to a nuclear plant. I didn't really blame them but it also wasn't a casual screening or MBA astrology like Myers-Briggs.*everywhere except the security stations and battery rooms. A room crammed full of lead-acid batteries is not anywhere you want to be probably ever.
(DIR) Post #ATxOONsQYB8YDLOUTI by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T12:58:51Z
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@arclight Suddenly it all makes sense! Yeah, I don't know if there's a way we could change this on a large scale, but I find it interesting that the test doesn't really achieve what it was meant to (probably happens with most standardized tests, I would imagine.)
(DIR) Post #ATxPjwbuhrO3ySVxXE by arclight@oldbytes.space
2023-03-24T13:13:34Z
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@calculsoberic It just seems like a form of hazing, like whiteboard interviews. The psychological tests HR depts typically use have low predictive power; I suspect the main function is intimidation. It implies that if you don't get the job, it's because you're psychologically "broken".
(DIR) Post #ATxTfVc3XbFcttinnk by kathimmel@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T14:01:23Z
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@calculsoberic i used to reply to the questions these tests posed by giving them what they wanted. usually got the jobs. the most recent time one of these beasts turned up during the application process, i answered honestly...& didn't get any further.