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(DIR) Post #ATxD0Xbdcv5nwWy9c8 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-24T14:32:08Z
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The American Library Association has released new data about book bans in the United States. The numbers shattered last year's records.This page has a lot more explanation of what's happening, more images to share, and ways you can get involved.https://uniteagainstbookbans.org/2022-book-bans/h/t @elaterite #BookBans #Books #Libraries #FreeSpeech #Literacy #History #Histodon
(DIR) Post #ATxD0iZCsIgRwAurqq by LovecraftEnthusiast@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-24T21:22:34.229837Z
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Honestly we just need to fill libraries with Mein Kampf, children shouldn’t be denied the truth
(DIR) Post #ATxDKyLTv5zwfK9dpo by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-24T21:30:45.704718Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite Which specific books do you want children to have access to where there was an attempted ban? Just a few examples of why I should care, please.
(DIR) Post #ATxDQE7EiKJ51XzrtI by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-24T21:26:10.233309Z
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@LovecraftEnthusiast @grammargirl @elaterite You can't even buy The Turner Diaries on Amazon and these shitlibs think THEY are the ones being "censored" 🙄
(DIR) Post #ATxDQGLqOzBDxQqYwC by LovecraftEnthusiast@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-24T21:29:10.784841Z
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The books and media they like get pushed to the front page even if they dont sell a copy. The things I want get delisted and the seller is banned.But yeah censorship is le bad now that its hit something they like for the first time in their lives.
(DIR) Post #ATxDQKzLA59ML5MA3U by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-24T21:31:43.148548Z
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@LovecraftEnthusiast @elaterite @grammargirl Which is, again for the people in the back, CHILD GROOMING BOOKS. Kiddy porn for kids. How to get your 12-year old butthole fucked by an adult stranger instruction manuals. You know, good liberal values.
(DIR) Post #ATxDR8ks89HmggyJRg by meowski@fluf.club
2023-03-24T21:46:53.344440Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite kys pedo
(DIR) Post #ATxDXOaKBjOLWL1MsC by CONSERVATARIAN@freeatlantis.com
2023-03-24T21:51:51Z
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@grammargirl The ALA are not the good guys here. They are trying to stop parents groups from banning grooming porn books ALA is pushing through school libraries. @elaterite
(DIR) Post #ATxDzGEmoiuVjwEZCy by Abiuth@me.dm
2023-03-24T21:22:18Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite
(DIR) Post #ATxEYuMfcKMOKMv4K0 by M_U@toot.community
2023-03-24T14:35:48Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite Expel Florida and Texas from the US, and the chart is flat.
(DIR) Post #ATxIeQVfvevLHy1CYy by artesianspring@geekdom.social
2023-03-24T19:42:44Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite thanks! Knowledge is Power.
(DIR) Post #ATxJUpQ0Z3tDbFM3Iu by MacropodCare@theblower.au
2023-03-24T23:20:03Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite Did this accurately explain why #conservatives are fucking stupid?
(DIR) Post #ATxJe53VnMxIhhFBvk by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-03-24T18:33:32Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite wrong way, America
(DIR) Post #ATxKC4d9skPbEP7uW8 by linkeddev@toot.garden
2023-03-24T14:40:01Z
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@grammargirl sigh.
(DIR) Post #ATxNpuURItBHE6jetM by msgbi@mastodon.social
2023-03-24T15:09:55Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite @charles_ex burn them for 8$ month
(DIR) Post #ATxQ6VOU3yuEDvzUKe by Ambigramart@toot.community
2023-03-24T14:52:57Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite It's fuckin backwards. Like Germany in the 30s or The Handmaid's tale or Farenheight 451
(DIR) Post #ATxQMv9o2m2ilCx8mu by FlotteBiene86@nrw.social
2023-03-24T18:54:25Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite #fascism is on the rise everywhere
(DIR) Post #ATxRMdCatrcD1ngOJc by Phil@freeatlantis.com
2023-03-25T00:48:17Z
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@CONSERVATARIAN @grammargirl @elaterite And keeping books, that are not age appropriate out of school libraries is not the same as banning books. Its disingenuous to refer to such a thing in such a way.
(DIR) Post #ATxS54kXq8kHCtkuDw by jargoggles@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T16:52:42Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite I came across another post with this, which is really cool: https://www.bklynlibrary.org/books-unbannedThe Brooklyn Public Library is allowing individuals ages 13-21 to apply for a free BPL eCard, providing access to their full eBook collection as well as their learning databases.
(DIR) Post #ATxS5O7vnPk3IvqLoW by shoq@mastodon.social
2023-03-24T15:56:00Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite Nice timing. I'd just started reading this when your post arrived. The history of book bans—and their changing targets—in the U.S.https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/history-of-book-bans-in-the-united-states
(DIR) Post #ATxVWuqIZH1GS2Phrc by DemocracySpot@mstdn.social
2023-03-24T16:39:50Z
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@kimlockhartga x
(DIR) Post #ATxX5QA0jcmVNkeQjo by Tribear@mastodon.coffee
2023-03-24T16:03:52Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite all the earmarks of a war, one that can't be won.
(DIR) Post #ATycUbhJfeSLKg1CUq by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-25T06:04:44Z
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@Zettour @grammargirl Our Skin: A First Conversation About Race; Because of You, John Lewis; Anne Frank: Diary of a Young Girl; The Bluest Eye. Google them for details & more."If a book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But for God's sake, let us freely hear both sides if we choose."--Thomas Jefferson 4/18/1814"I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson 9/23/1800
(DIR) Post #ATycUciPt2vkUNXaqm by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-25T14:27:41.017732Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl Yeah, I see no problem restricting children from sexual and in particular incestuous content without parental permission.
(DIR) Post #ATycu6BPSpKv7YFXlI by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-24T21:17:39.682029Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite Yeah well I bet the number of faggot pedophiles (or do I repeat myself?) trying to put groomer books in libraries also skyrocketed over the last few years too
(DIR) Post #ATycu8R55X3o6jb5Sy by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-24T21:20:03.282980Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite real principled shit, right here 🙄
(DIR) Post #ATymD86nQb7SBNF1Wa by fancynancysays@me.dm
2023-03-25T16:16:29Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite #fascism in real time.Share the Brooklyn Public library’s linkhttps://www.bklynlibrary.org/books-unbanned
(DIR) Post #ATzOqGoCoMkuiXdVsO by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-25T22:32:57Z
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@Zettour @grammargirl So are you saying that you prefer that children learn about sex from their friends and on the internet than from a book written by child development experts?
(DIR) Post #ATzOqHVoCFdMtm2Kq8 by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-25T23:29:25.859791Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl Bluest Eye which you mentioned is largely about incest, rape, and insanity from what I can tell; so no, I don't want children learning about sex from that for the first time. Parents or a structured course in school is the proper avenue.
(DIR) Post #ATzTKS9TbOdUOxEX0y by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T00:13:18Z
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@Zettour @grammargirl After reading the article about Bluest Eye on Wikipedia, I'd say it is a good book for kids, especially when "One educator,...Shekema Silveri, has stated: 'Teaching novels like The Bluest Eye helps us break down barriers with students. After reading the book, I had a student who said that she is the product of incest. And I’ve had a student who said that she was molested by her uncle.'" If a book helps kids talk about & expose abuse that is a good thing, don't you think?
(DIR) Post #ATzTKT0ePhAd3s6ztg by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-26T00:19:43.369902Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl By that standard we should be showing kids Debbie Does Dallas in class so occasionally someone can share that they were railed by the entire football team and coach it can be exposed. There isn't a need for it and exposing that sort of content at scale will lead to more harm overall than the good of some particular individual.
(DIR) Post #ATzZAYeZAstzOWRMJc by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T00:59:10Z
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@Zettour @grammargirl Talking to kids about abuse, how to identify it, understand when there's a threat, & how to stay "Safe, Strong, & Free," saves lives--lots of lives. My friend is the Director of the local Child Assault Prevention (CAP) Project, a program she has run for over 30yrs. Her crew talks to kids in schools daily--and horrifically--daily there are disclosures. Sadly, CAP can't be everywhere, books are a great alternative. Here's an op-ed I wrote on the topic: https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/child-abuse-prevention-program-funding-is-critical
(DIR) Post #ATzZAZPiLacFkkV0nw by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-26T01:25:10.043044Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl You don't need to have a kid read a story where someone is mindbroken by rape for them to know rape is bad. There are plenty of better ways to teach that lesson and make them aware of how to report such things. Exposing them to such material at a young age can lead the fetishes and other sexual dysfunction.
(DIR) Post #ATzZrr7mNJ3V8MkaTw by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T01:27:55Z
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@Zettour @grammargirl "Exposing them to such material at a young age can lead the fetishes and other sexual dysfunction." Do you have a citation to a study(s) that suggests or proves that statement?
(DIR) Post #ATzZrrkQ3dxp4CpRi4 by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-26T01:32:59.369249Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl There's going to be a lack of studies on the topic because no ethics board is going to approve making children read stories about rape to determine how badly it harms them. Anecdotally, I can say such experiences were clearly harmful to me personally.
(DIR) Post #ATzaQxdEAn9VS2CQbY by 14wontons91@poa.st
2023-03-26T01:39:20.636931Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl Fuck your citations and studies, kill yourself nigger.
(DIR) Post #ATzaYvMeUFQ4jgFALw by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T01:40:46.950462Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl Interesting, but why do you think books in general are reasonable alternatives for this?Fear is a much larger deterrent for coming forward than ignorance. It's hard to not know that it's wrong when your mother molests you. However, it is impossible to have faith in the systems which are designed to protect children, especially when these systems routinely mock men who have gone through this sort of thing.It doesn't seem like reading anything will help - the only thing that can help is actually punishing the women who do these things, and that is not something that our country is interested in, at all.
(DIR) Post #ATzd3NX2WbcWgwkg1g by meowski@fluf.club
2023-03-26T02:08:34.519316Z
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@Zettour @elaterite @grammargirl people should start by getting their kids out of the public schools if they don't want them to be molested
(DIR) Post #ATzd78NApPAmpovaUq by rhyse@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-26T02:09:21.987636Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl Can you just admit that you don't have an argument? Appealing to scientific research research as an authority doesn't even make sense. To anyone that has gone through the peer review process, journal articles are effectively $3k USD blog posts.Write articleDiscuss you're article at a conference.Someone writes a response articleWrite a response to the response. RepeatAnd the entire time all the previous articles are cited in order to boost citation count of all the parties involved. It's no different from social media bs. Stop it.
(DIR) Post #ATzd98eqjszUIY9SGO by meowski@fluf.club
2023-03-26T02:09:41.231446Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl here come the "experts" to talk to your kids about sex behind your back. what could possibly go wrong? you people don't know when to quit
(DIR) Post #ATzeHAglAkSWrqRI3s by guapachoso@novoa.nagoya
2023-03-26T02:14:12.561Z
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@meowski@fluf.club @elaterite@fosstodon.org @Zettour@gearlandia.haus @grammargirl@zirk.us I’m a sex expert too. Just ask op’s mom.
(DIR) Post #AU0giPw0zRdd2NecPg by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T06:31:41Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zettour @grammargirl Because as: "One educator,...Shekema Silveri, has stated: 'Teaching novels like The Bluest Eye helps us break down barriers with students. After reading the book, I had a student who said that she is the product of incest. And I’ve had a student who said that she was molested by her uncle.'" WikpClearly, if 2 kids disclosed abuse as result of studying the book, it has happened elsewhere. Formal abuse prevention programs aren't available everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AU0giQWWngqSrcjmKG by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T14:24:24.800876Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl Oh, I think I see what you're getting at - the suggestion is that there's actually some sort of discussion about the book in class, and that the students are reasonably engaged. Then, because the students are talking about the topic of the book, these things will come out naturally.Even "discussing the topic of the book" and "students are engaged" sounds like some sort of strange fantasy in a high school classroom, so it took me a while to follow your point. I'd sort of guessed that the book was being used like books were used in my high school - a disengaged and bitter English teacher gives the book as a reading assignment, gives the kids a quiz to ensure they at least read the book, and then never talks about it ever again.Am I right in guessing that's what you meant?
(DIR) Post #AU0ibgOla0LLyp1EYa by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-26T14:45:38.551261Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl >discussing books in the classroomHAHAHAHAHAHA please don't be delusional.
(DIR) Post #AU1INnKsaRzhn7sTya by madrobin@mindly.social
2023-03-26T21:26:25Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite They will have to pry my student's copies of Heartstopper from my cold, dead hands. Just sayin. #heartstopper #LGBTQ #consent
(DIR) Post #AU1JP8qCDVOojRjRUe by TimWardCam@c.im
2023-03-26T21:37:52Z
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@grammargirl @elaterite I don't get this at all. How come the number isn't always zero? - I thought there was some "first amendment" thingy? - or is this not taken seriously because it doesn't involve guns?
(DIR) Post #AU1Q1sa5ChxhK039we by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T22:32:30Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zettour @grammargirl I'm not an educator or child development expert. However, because my ladyfriend runs a child assault prevention program, I do know a bit about that. Teaching a book such as Bluest Eye is good, if for no other reason it is controversial. I can also imagine that if a kid selects the book at a library, the topics may cause them to ask questions, to recognize that a friend or themselves is a victim of abuse. It may empower them to talk to their teacher.
(DIR) Post #AU1Q1tC0vgIrDdnS4G by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T22:52:10.159162Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl >I can also imagine that if a kid selects the book at a library, the topics may cause them to ask questions, to recognize that a friend or themselves is a victim of abuse. It may empower them to talk to their teacher.That's exactly the question at hand - I can imagine it happening, but is it actually something that does happen?If the answer is "yes, this is what we see," then there's actually something there. If the answer is "no, we haven't seen that yet," then it's actually a question of whether or not it's this type of book that's doing good, rather than simply having the topic brought up by a caring teacher.
(DIR) Post #AU1QY9Pe9xZan5YZzE by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T22:41:37Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zettour @grammargirl While I fully support parents being engaged with their child's education & the school their child attends, I have a problem when they are animated to descend upon a school & demand certain titles be ban based solely on the rantings of media shock-jock commentators and demagogue politicians. My preference is to err on the side of the child development scholars rather than the latter when it comes to what books children find in their school libraries.
(DIR) Post #AU1QY9yk3Te6Xvybgm by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T22:57:55.578973Z
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@elaterite @Zettour @grammargirl >I have a problem when they are animated to descend upon a school & demand certain titles be ban based solely on the rantings of media shock-jock commentators and demagogue politicians.I should note that the more conservative people on fedi very often do not pay attention to media commentators or politicians, except to mock them. Conservatives who pay attention to those types of people tend to stay on Twitter, and the reasons for this are complex enough to warrant an entirely different discussion.This attitude downplays legitimate concerns from parents - these concerns should be addressed. (Possibly by showing that these books cause good enough to outweigh potential harm, or by showing that the harm is minimal.)
(DIR) Post #AU1QqUtP2JxccdDtiq by pawlicker@boks.moe
2023-03-26T23:01:19.665004Z
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@caekislove @elaterite @LovecraftEnthusiast @grammargirl they used to sell it for ages but they banned books like culture of critique first.
(DIR) Post #AU1Qu8J2xDAFjJx3Qm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-26T23:01:59.261071Z
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@pawlicker @elaterite @LovecraftEnthusiast @grammargirl The real fallacy is that the slippery slope isn't real.
(DIR) Post #AU1ROtA7JE7xjrRLlo by pawlicker@boks.moe
2023-03-26T23:07:32.056897Z
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@elaterite @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zettour @grammargirl I think we should give every high school in America copies of American Psycho, a true LGBT novel and a satire of capitalism. Sure it has lots of brutal murder scenes but high schools these days read Stephen king books.
(DIR) Post #AU1TODcrwKFIpBhH7I by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-26T23:09:11Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zettour @grammargirl A parent who has a concern about a book should take their concerns to the librarian or teacher, the experts. Ask them how the book benefits their child's development. From the summaries I've read about Bluest Eye, it sounds like a fine book for a teenager, & teenagers should have access to it. If a particular parent doesn't want their teen to read it that's their problem--they don't have a right to deny the rest of the students access to the book.
(DIR) Post #AU1TOE2kO6wi7RnwS8 by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T23:29:49.788181Z
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@elaterite @grammargirl I lean towards agreeing with this general attitude, but if a large number of parents have a strong opinion on a particular book then there is a valid argument for removing it from the library. Even if having the book in the library is important, there may be some other measure that can be taken to address the concerns of parents.On The Bluest Eye in particular, the topic of rape in these novels can get dicey, especially if it goes into detail. It can be particularly jarring if it's not expected - having been a bookish teenager, I found the rape scene in The Fountainhead (Ayn Rand) to be disturbing. I felt that it would have been nice if I'd been prepared for it, and I can easily imagine a parent getting worked up about it (I suspect the only reason that parents don't get worked up about it is because the book is long and generally considered boring).In this particular case, it sounds like you've not read the book - that's fine, neither have I, and I don't think @Zettour has either. Maybe in this particular case, we should step back from the conversation and at least read the part of the book that has people worked up.
(DIR) Post #AU1TkoYjIsNtk3XFfk by fbievan@social.fbievan.live
2023-03-26T23:27:40.149830Z
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@elaterite @ceo_of_monoeye_dating It's this simple> books should never be bannedEnd of story, now back off
(DIR) Post #AU1Tkp7pCOSPUtxHNI by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T23:33:54.179078Z
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@fbievan @elaterite The books "Final Exit" and "The Peaceful Pill Handbook" should not be in school libraries. They are absolutely books that should be available to adults, but these two in particular pose obvious and immediate dangers to children and teenagers - they should absolutely be banned from school libraries.
(DIR) Post #AU1Um6nd4VsIYagYgS by fbievan@social.fbievan.live
2023-03-26T23:37:24.147486Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @elaterite oh we talking about school libraries? Its up to the Liberian to obtain a book to provide for children... At the end of the day schools provide what they want
(DIR) Post #AU1Um7RgfZuwYpQY7c by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T23:45:21.029234Z
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@fbievan @elaterite ...Yes, we're talking about school libraries. The concern raised by others in the thread is that giving children easy and unguided access to "The Bluest Eye" may cause harm by exposing children to explicit content (which is obviously bad), and the counterpoint raised by Bob is that guided access to it allows teachers to identify cases of incest and get students out of dangerous situations (which is obviously good).The question that is still standing is whether easy and unguided access to it has been shown to help adults identify cases of incest. There's a valid case for suggesting all sorts of actions that both address parental concerns, and this chunk of the thread is about exploring that. (For example, it might be best to have the book not available in the library, but have it still be handed out for reading in class so that the discussion can be guided by a teacher...or it may be best to have content warnings slapped on it...)
(DIR) Post #AU1UrubhJeEiTps74C by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-26T23:46:24.321937Z
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@fbievan @elaterite >that both address parental concerns"That both address parental concerns and retain any benefits of having the book discussed in class," rather. >_>;
(DIR) Post #AU1V4WW4CENnWpFerI by Oliver@boks.moe
2023-03-26T23:48:41.041689Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @elaterite @fbievan >_<
(DIR) Post #AU1WCUev5L1o2UkyvI by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-27T00:01:08.168363Z
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@fbievan @elaterite cc @Zettour You were in this thread earlier, and you got untagged somewhere.
(DIR) Post #AU1Ww7q4GJt6aIjKYy by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2023-03-27T00:04:33Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @fbievan I don't know what criteria is used for selecting books for school libraries. But I see that the Final Exit is often challenged in public libraries where it clearly should be available.
(DIR) Post #AU1Ww8bvOOAWyj7Y9o by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-03-27T00:09:34.081929Z
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@elaterite @fbievan I agree - Final Exit should be available in public libraries.In school libraries, the books that are available is often some combination of "what we can get," "what we expect students to read," and "what we're allowed to put there." Absolutely varies from district to district, and from school to school.