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(DIR) Post #ATuUazH2UGPuoJxylM by leo@twit.social
2023-03-23T14:40:19Z
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I really wonder how these members of Congress propose to "ban" TikTok. Remove it from the app stores? Great. No more security fixes for users. Build a great Firewall of the US? Pretty unseemly for a "democratic" nation.Make it illegal to have TikTok on your phone? Pardon me, citizen. I need to examine your device. Failing a workable way to ban an app I'm afraid this is all just performative saber rattling.
(DIR) Post #ATuUl8pVoSjVLNvtK4 by simonzerafa@infosec.exchange
2023-03-23T14:42:09Z
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@leo I can see the eBay ads now for any old insecure smart phones being sold for a premium because they have TikTok installed đŤ¤đ¤Śââď¸
(DIR) Post #ATuUopp4QHRnYKUGvY by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-03-23T14:42:51Z
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@leo Yeah that's the thing.#TikTok is bad, yes, but they have a right to operate in the #USA.Do they spy on Americans? Most likely, yes, but I'm not sure how their surveillance of Americans differs from #Meta or #Twitter's surveillance of Americans. And it's a hard sell to state that the user data they sell never falls into the hands of #China anyways.
(DIR) Post #ATuUsXnxM5DapTjd7g by khalidabuhakmeh@mastodon.social
2023-03-23T14:43:28Z
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@leo You could probably ban them from hosting their app infrastructure on U.S. or European servers.The lag and degraded user experience might be enough to drive folks nuts.
(DIR) Post #ATuUzlRn1zgHASoFlo by mookie@trblcorp.com
2023-03-23T14:44:46Z
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@leo My guess is that they'll seize the tiktok.com domain. That's the easiest route for them.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_In_Our_Sites
(DIR) Post #ATuVI6qEE7oajVzKDY by thegibson@hackers.town
2023-03-23T14:47:57Z
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@leo Agreed on all points, but I will say this for the them...It has spurred healthy discussion about this approach, just like what you've posted here.I do like that it gives us a chance to represent the founding principles of what the internet means in a free world to a new generation that may not have been there the last time we had this discussion.
(DIR) Post #ATuVJ71j1Tqnb7qNkG by adnan@1210.nl
2023-03-23T14:48:16Z
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@leo When India banned TikTok, TikTok themselves banned the users from India. Any user that had used TikTok on a phone (IMEI) sold in India was flagged in their system. But that was because ByteDance thought that showing the govt of India it intended to follow the rules of India, it would have a chance of being unbanned. India hasnât unbanned TikTok although they have been told to work with an Indian partner before they are let back in.
(DIR) Post #ATuVOh1Kcv7gg6JxAW by kevin@elephant.crime.group
2023-03-23T14:49:15Z
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@leo big honkin fine for bytedance to offer it, an actual large % of global revenue. Not sure that'll work. VPN to another countries App Store, buy there.
(DIR) Post #ATuVQFRu6jQ5kJUWum by scottjenson@social.coop
2023-03-23T14:49:34Z
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@leo I totally appreciate your point, banning a single app is impossible to enforce, and intellectually precarious. As an many have already said, if we were to have a stronger set of data protection laws in place (one can dream), this would make the problem SO MUCH easier: just pull any app that violated those laws.
(DIR) Post #ATuVQukQYlb9pdTOym by shortwavesurfer2009@social.freetalklive.com
2023-03-23T14:49:41Z
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@leo pulling it off US app stores would be enough to kill like 90% of its use as Americans dont step out of Spple and Google's walled gardens. Eventually TikTok would make some sort of breaking change to the access API or something which would render the old versions people in the US have unusable. youTube does exactly this to try to stop apps such as YouTube vanced, etc from working.
(DIR) Post #ATuVaj64jSB4aqHH8K by shortwavesurfer2009@social.freetalklive.com
2023-03-23T14:51:29Z
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@leo pulling it off US app stores would be enough to kill like 90% of its use as Americans dont step out of Apple and Google's walled gardens. Eventually TikTok would make some sort of breaking change to the access API or something which would render the old versions people in the US have unusable. youTube does exactly this to try to stop apps such as YouTube vanced, etc from working.
(DIR) Post #ATuVxDeJotrLij1J2m by jamesvasile@fosstodon.org
2023-03-23T14:55:32Z
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@leo Put them on a list of parties US folks can't do business with. This would: remove from app stores, ban from gov phones, kick them off US server infra, and also ban US ad payments.This would prevent 99% of TikTok use by Americans, which is good enough. And nobody in congress cares about security updates.Banning TikTok is dumb, but it's workable enough and not mere saber rattling.
(DIR) Post #ATuWAp1s9ab1PtWWIK by PHolder@twit.social
2023-03-23T14:58:00Z
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@leo Well of course Leo, in order to restore the faith in public order, you are required to install this monitoring app to help your government help you give up your TikTok obsession. Don't mind those regular pings to the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and NSA... that's all part of the protections we offer you! đ
(DIR) Post #ATuWg8Ekn1CxxvTiLo by leo@twit.social
2023-03-23T15:03:40Z
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@jamesvasile I suppose if you could get every country in the world to follow the US lead in blocking ad-sales you'd put TikTok out of business. Otherwise they'll continue to generate plenty of revenue from non-US advertisers.I don't think TikTok users in the US would mind an ad-free version. Maybe TikTok would leave the US market. Maybe they wouldn't. But it's not the same as a ban.
(DIR) Post #ATuXpDIhQrvWEMDaqW by tomasveneny@mstdn.social
2023-03-23T15:16:30Z
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@leo NSA will block it base on metatags...
(DIR) Post #ATuaTxOteXrchNflZ2 by photonstopper@mastodon.art
2023-03-23T15:46:15Z
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@leo On the other hand, congressional efforts to ban TikTok may inspire an entire generation to finally start voting!
(DIR) Post #ATubT3u45fYiWzO93I by IcyShark@twit.social
2023-03-23T15:57:18Z
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@leo hold all the end-users responsible (i.e. fining everyone who uses it)?
(DIR) Post #ATuc6dUjhDQED4PZGy by kerneltux@home.social
2023-03-23T16:04:27Z
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@leo I think itâs a big effort in mis-direction.âSee, we are showing weâre strong on our citizensâ data against other state actorsâŚbut pay no attention to our ongoing efforts to remove womenâs autonomy over their own bodies & against other vulnerable people within our own borders!âNot saying this isnât important, but things our own govât is doing has more for-reaching effects.
(DIR) Post #ATudHQZOBtgpGOIVaS by nobloat@fosstodon.org
2023-03-23T16:17:37Z
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@leo Are there any known substantial cases of espionage that are related to Chinese companies, or is it just because it's China? There are clear evidence of bad practices in US government and tech companies yet the US wouldn't like it non-US countries started banning their tech giants.
(DIR) Post #ATufwaoLDe4wo632Yq by jamesvasile@fosstodon.org
2023-03-23T16:47:28Z
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@leo Sure, the hundreds of US users who sideload would enjoy an ad-free TikTok, but at that level of adoption, the US got what it needed.And if the ban includes app stores run by US companies for users in other countries, you tank TikTok user numbers in a lot of places, not just the US.
(DIR) Post #ATugLexcvYrkuuLOme by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-03-23T16:51:59Z
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@leo The threat of a ban is to force a sale to US entity, I think.
(DIR) Post #ATuhFRmD8I0mFAbcie by drwho@hackers.town
2023-03-23T17:02:03Z
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@leo They've been talking about a great firewall of the US off and on for the last fifteen-some years back home. So far they haven't actually tried to get it done because nobody wants to be the first to take the political hit in case it fucks up.
(DIR) Post #ATuhmdQkpBfxwaOXzs by murph@hackers.town
2023-03-23T17:08:02Z
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@leo What would make more sense than all this hand-waving on the part of Congress would be real, substantive privacy legislation from companies abroad and domestic. That would help solve some of these problems, but will probably never fly without huge public pressure.
(DIR) Post #ATuib8VzWlFapVvRLs by kusuriya@hackers.town
2023-03-23T17:17:11Z
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@leo and that's all it is, hey we want to look hard without actually doing something hard that will affect the shareholders of our sponsors. I seriously believe congress needs to walk around like NASCAR drivers with thier sponsors sewn on thier suits
(DIR) Post #ATuiddiQUmIOAxw3km by barrylyga@mstdn.party
2023-03-23T17:17:40Z
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@leo Couldnât they legally compel Apple and Google to nuke the app on everyoneâs phone? There is a kill-switch, after all.
(DIR) Post #ATuii7ft3BRmFasxOK by sebastian@twit.social
2023-03-23T17:18:21Z
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@leo Theyâd likely prohibit all transactions with the company as part of trade sanctions. No need to get into technological or user-facing measures.
(DIR) Post #ATuj2kkjT6HZEzzO0u by doomscroller@mstdn.social
2023-03-23T17:22:09Z
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@leo Won't someone think of the TikTok Performance Poets?
(DIR) Post #ATuj9bUSIwn2Xadt9E by lehti@pounced-on.me
2023-03-23T17:23:15Z
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@leo I'm pretty sure Google Play Services is capable of uninstalling apps without the user's consent
(DIR) Post #ATujCpTel0zGn1o4fY by doomscroller@mstdn.social
2023-03-23T17:24:00Z
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@leo Won't someone think of the TikTok Performance Poets?
(DIR) Post #ATuk2OfZfn7chmyEbI by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-03-23T17:33:22Z
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@KoolinColorado @leo True but the "well what are you trying to do with it though" argument should never be part of government policy; either a deed should be legal, or it shouldn't be.Are we really going to affirm that spying is fine so long as it's for "the good of the country"? So if the wrong country does it, it's suddenly a big no-no?
(DIR) Post #ATuly1c9eKRDx1PjVY by GQB@newsie.social
2023-03-23T17:54:56Z
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@leo Do they end up trying to require Apple to implement its rarely used ability to yank apps off of a phone without the ownerâs knowledge or consent? And would Apple do it?
(DIR) Post #ATuohapRlmiA6dUIIS by misterstockwell@mastodon.social
2023-03-23T18:25:36Z
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@leo Apple and Google have kill switches they could use if ordered to.
(DIR) Post #ATvFv7JoyvwjOmMtN2 by dullatip@twit.social
2023-03-23T23:30:34Z
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@leo You have missed the point :). "BANNING TIK TOK" is the point. Whether it is true or false, logical or illogical, implementable or unimplementable, does not matter.This is the way!