Post AToUs5q2AUHT90jS9g by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AToMWoM1BBFBCh28Ia by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T15:41:42.361894Z
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Do you ever think that the reason it's primarily men who push war and violence is because they don't give birth? They don't understand the value of life and what it takes to bring it into the world? Just read a story of a gang who stole and murdered a child because they wanted money. That question went through my head after.
(DIR) Post #AToMt2SjPDOhKYlx4q by Sexypink@social.fbxl.net
2023-03-20T15:45:43.592124Z
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@LisbonMuse they don't understand the value of life? yet women have abortions
(DIR) Post #AToQ63DSDNnLILWTqa by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T16:21:41.144548Z
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@Sexypink Lol here's the phrase, not all men. No, not even most men. Just like most women don't have abortions. But when taking a life or sacrificing a life is involved, it's primarily done by a man. I just wish there were stats on men who do these kinds of crimes, and if they're fathers, how involved they were in fatherhood and the birth. Like now, a leader will send troops on a suicide mission. Would he have thought more about those men's lives if he knew all it took to bring that life up? Is this why women aren't the primary people doing this, or would we do it too if we were primarily in power?
(DIR) Post #AToSn5OADDiQOUBGJU by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2023-03-20T16:44:21.275213Z
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@LisbonMuse @Sexypink it's usually men actually doing it, but in a democracy, it's at the behest of society, which includes both men and women. Even if we assume men are more warhawkish overall, it'd be something like 60:40 men, not 95:5 men.
(DIR) Post #AToTN1jTHeb9TlHjqi by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T16:55:53.902840Z
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@Marvin @LisbonMuse @Sexypink That's fair. ✅
(DIR) Post #AToTcDPs7qdm3lMO5A by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:01:07.273436Z
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@Marvin @Sexypink Yes I get what you're saying. In history, I always viewed the best kings as the ones fighting along with their men. It meant they really believed in what they were doing. Or the ones who tried to avoid sending their troops out in a pointless offensive. But to the others who sat at home and were so liberal with lives? I just wonder how much they were involved in fatherhood.
(DIR) Post #AToUgJAInF970Baol6 by AliBee23@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:08:51.482166Z
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@LisbonMuse I truly believe there would be conflict but never resolved by war in a true Matriarchy. If women held all the social, economic and political levers of power in society, it would be wielded in such a different way to how men do it because of the fundamental differences between us related to our reproductive roles. I also think we would not be facing climate disaster and we would've made some real strides towards eliminating poverty. Unfortunately, precisely because of the differences between the sexes, the men have managed to bully their way into power, are keen to stay there and would never step aside to create a better world so my musings on Matriarchy are just that, musings.
(DIR) Post #AToUs5q2AUHT90jS9g by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:15:11.672342Z
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@AliBee23 Its definitely interesting to think about. What I would give to push a button just for a peak into an alternate reality where all civilizations and cultures had been matriarchal instead. To see the differences would be amazing
(DIR) Post #AToWrdSTsqsX2Acnuy by TheWitchBitch@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:14:40.042869Z
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@Sexypink @LisbonMuse women understand the value of their own lives as well. Clearly you don't. Fuck off slaver.
(DIR) Post #AToWre9jI3TPCIrLKS by LisbonMuse@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:37:31.305227Z
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@TheWitchBitch @Sexypink Abortion is a really easy topic to go to for something like this. He probably had a kneejerk reaction to thinking I was saying all men are violent and don't value life. Abortion is something men have never done or would ever have to consider doing. There's no stats on if men get more abortions than women, etc. Nothing to compare. So it's a good go-to when trying to compare men's statistical violence over women's abortion rates, even though those two aren't comparable. You should either compare men's violent stats versus women's, or abortion stats which you can't do since men can't get pregnant. I guess you could compare the amount of men who want abortions versus women, but still that's just a derail of my subject. But if he does want to compare, if I had miscarried my son at five months, I would have been heartbroken. If I lost him five months out of the womb...well I can't even think about that. It's just shattering. Giving birth is intense, and then seeing the little being that had been in you actually real and there, it makes it all real. Like he has a real personality, versus the one I gave him in the womb. It just feels silly to bring up abortion on the subject of men killing others, but like I said, probably a kneejerk reaction.
(DIR) Post #AToYzpASQsNhZhE8iO by kj00@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:23:20.957160Z
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@LisbonMuse Human race would advance so fast, so far, if men were forced to suffer as much as women are. If men were debilitated for a day, even a week every month because of their periods, suffered from delicate hormonal balances, had to lose their teeth, sacrifice their health just to make a child, were given extra stitches that would ruin their personal lives after giving birth... They'd start acting mature real quick. One of the reasons I refuse to believe in a benevolent deity is how females are born to suffer physically and endure pain whereas males have first world problems at best.
(DIR) Post #AToZ2ahKgfHdZAvJCK by LaylaAlexandrovna@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T17:43:51.429045Z
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@Sexypink @LisbonMuse Yup men going around maiming and killing, making war, torturing and raping everything and each other is exactly the same as the difficult choice a woman makes to end a pregnancy! 🤡 Are you suffering from mass formation psychosis?
(DIR) Post #ATod3uXCou3XC94UWO by kj00@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T18:19:43.605481Z
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@LisbonMuse @TheWitchBitch @Sexypink If we have to compare abortion to any sort of violence or killing men do, it'd have to be self-defense, at most.
(DIR) Post #ATod5NX0Uoy3Psg7LU by chilady2022@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T18:37:34.967867Z
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@kj00 @LisbonMuse Excellent point. Scum males don't know or don't care tbh.... they've never had to deal with period cramps, painful cysts growing on top of an ovary or debilitating childbirth pains. Each one of us are different.. we all experience pain and cope with it in many ways.
(DIR) Post #AToiXsZpAAKTa6PCxk by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2023-03-20T19:40:53.652020Z
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Ultimately we'll never know for certain.I don't know, I think "never resolved by war" is a bit of a stretch. I think there's plenty of things that can rouse women's passions to the level of violence. Like protecting their children, for example.If two neighboring matriarchal societies were clashing over resources, I think female politicians in those societies could argue for violence by using a "what about the kids" argument. It'd probably work more than you'd think.Maybe a fully matriarchal world would have less violence overall. Maybe there's something about a T influenced worldview that sees violence as an acceptable tool more often than a more female worldview.But I think it's probably a stretch to say "never". Or hell even "extremely infrequently". Idk, I've just seen too many wholly female clashes come to violence to say "never".But yeah, it definitely sounds like an interesting alternative history concept. What would a nazi germany be like with a lady Hitler? A lady Stalin? A lady Churchhill?
(DIR) Post #ATqMWvuvRsyoyaL5cW by AliBee23@spinster.xyz
2023-03-21T12:36:28.838229Z
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@Marvin @LisbonMuse Going to war over resources to save your children would also mean sending your children to war so I'm not sure it is too difficult to imagine women would find another, more cooperative way to resolve conflict. Also, imagining a 'lady Hitler' is imagining our current patriarchal history but with women doing what the men did. The point I was trying to make is that matriarchal society would be so completely different that it is actually difficult to imagine. However, if the half of the human race who naturally exist to carry, grow and subsequently nurture all future humans, was viewed as the superior sex, whole & complete, whilst the half who merely fertilise an egg, were viewed as less valuable to society, one can imagine a society that develops around caring & nurture. Some studies have shown that men's testosterone levels drop when they hear a crying child so if men were to be valued more because they adopt caring roles, possibly men's propensity to violence would be reduced in the process. All a moot point of course, because these very differences are what's led to patriarchy in the first place and although humans are evolved enough to imagine and strive for change, it's very difficult to give up power once you have it. That's why even 'nice men' prop up patriarchy & you'll rarely meet one who would willingly step aside and give their place to a woman or strive to elevate her voice over his own.
(DIR) Post #ATqMWwXZ8Dt8uQPwqe by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2023-03-21T14:43:37.351006Z
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> The point I was trying to make is that matriarchal society would be so completely different that it is actually difficult to imagine.That's ultimately what I'm disputing. I don't think a matriarchal society would be so profoundly different as to eliminate violence entirely (or even substantially). Even just stealing is going to necessitate some use of force.Again, I don't mean to say that there aren't behavioral differences between men and women. Just that on a macro level, competition for resources is the main driver of conflict and that's far more important than patriarchy vs matriarchy.And I know you're not saying all conflict would be eliminated, that more matriarchal societies would find alternative ways of dealing with conflict. And that's a fair point.But the option of using force to get what you need is an asset to a country. And while it's not smart to go to war all the time, that doesn't mean that the possibility to use force isn't valuable sometimes. And when resources are scarce, any group that doesn't use any and all means available to it to survive just won't survive. I mean, consider any extinct group of humans.My reference to lady Hitler was tongue in cheek. Obviously history would develop differently.But on the other hand, I do kinda mean it seriously. Not that there would be literally a lady Hitler, but that matriarchal societies would still be capable of producing great calamities as we see in our current history.I think it's a little naive to think that women aren't capable of doing large scale, awful, violent things. Or they only do them today because of the brainwashing of the patriarchy.We'd definitely get at least one lady Hitler. Or maybe a lady Stalin. (Maybe a famine is more likely over outright warfare / camps?)
(DIR) Post #ATqzf8BJd9OnXguCFk by chilady2022@spinster.xyz
2023-03-20T23:27:21.475420Z
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@kj00 @LisbonMuse They take all the "best" parts of womenface (i.e. what dress will I wear today? 🤔 what kind of eyeshadow?) But neglected to give a fuck about any universal women issues 😒🙄 I hate this place