Post ATo0Ee8aECcdJTgO36 by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
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(DIR) Post #ATjdgGHtQ58bsHOdhg by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-18T08:51:04Z
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how it feels to talk about #activitypub and how #fedi implements it
(DIR) Post #ATjg9lyUt13ISNWXtw by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-18T09:06:00Z
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the way to maintain an authoritative collection is to send out Add/Remove, not to have everyone send out Create and then expect everyone else to reconstruct the collection for themselvesyknow, actually *maintain* the collection. currently we just punt it off
(DIR) Post #ATjg9mgSFaDKei5ePw by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-18T09:09:42Z
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i can't say i blame developers for taking the lazy route and doing the bare minimum to be compatible with what already exists, but that is so limiting and i'm not here for itthe bigger problem is that there's so many assumptions being made with zero basis or foundation in anything. we're just replicating stuff around and then every server assembles it however it *thinks* it should be put together.
(DIR) Post #ATjg9nMzhQF2mdzciu by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-18T09:16:12Z
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we're getting to the point that the contradictions and shortcomings are starting to become more apparent...- things like moderated conversations are impossible if you don't actually have a concept of a "conversation".- there's so many different ways to do "groups" that it's a running joke at this point, because everyone has a different idea of what a "group" is. it's the "blind men feeling an elephant" problem.- things like forums and subforums, chat rooms, etc are not easily possible rn.
(DIR) Post #ATjg9o2TDDQ0rHOkN6 by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-18T09:19:50Z
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the "trick" is that there isn't actually any difference between all these different presentations. if you understand "objects" and "collections" you can construct whatever you want: forums, walls, chat rooms, conversations, aggregators, whatever. it's all just objects in collections.right now, no one understands 'collections". we just pass around objects with Create and Announce and leave it up to the consumer to figure out how they should be grouped.
(DIR) Post #ATo0Ee8aECcdJTgO36 by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-03-18T09:35:42Z
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@trwnh this understanding is the base of the #OMN project http://hamishcampbell.com/tag/omn/We need the help of someone who can write funding applications https://activism.openworlds.info/@witchescauldron/110041152391339416
(DIR) Post #ATo0EenhlJW1N0vE92 by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-03-19T16:51:13Z
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@trwnh what are you doing to practical make this happen, links please :)
(DIR) Post #ATo0EfNVcC9hA3fox6 by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-19T16:53:21Z
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@Hamishcampbell in the short term? i'd like to develop solid docs to "prove the theory". after that i guess we need to prove the concept. either someone else builds it according to my docs, or i might have to learn enough coding to put together something for myself ^_^;
(DIR) Post #ATo0EgS9cPSuUkr2pc by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-03-20T07:49:34Z
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@trwnh this is a troubling view of theory and practice. All good horizontalists understand that they come from practice. At the basis of this is #DIY that is working through practice to build theory.To start from theory go ground and round and round then try and put this into practice, ends in a dizzy mess. When this mess is imposed as a solution we obviously get more #techshit to compost or academic wank to clean up.
(DIR) Post #ATo0Eh6DDTVYUzb2Gm by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T09:46:54Z
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@Hamishcampbell well, the "practice" is having used the web for many years, having used many services, drawing from the experience of just being around and trying to talk to people. using twitter for a decade and fedi for nearly another decade, i'm what some might call an "early adopter" or "power user". the theory i'm trying to develop is based on my experiences with many, many different services, what worked, what didn't. and at the core, what it means to communicate. how to do so effectively.
(DIR) Post #ATo0Eheb9d0uDdgUro by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T09:56:02Z
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@Hamishcampbell essentially the theory i have is based in this growing feeling that we were better off with forums and blogs being separate things, before "social media" merged the two use-cases and killed off both. no longer did people publish things or discuss things with others, but now they produce "content" and consume from their "feed". sure, we can have these back-and-forths via replies and comments, but it's not really conducive to larger discussions.
(DIR) Post #ATo0EiyUFAW6JbztVQ by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-03-20T07:53:40Z
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@trwnh how old are you, have you ever done any frontline activism? You maybe need to. We are building from what works #grassroots #DIY with #OMN #indymediaback #OGB based on theory from practices.Good to engage with this flow to practice activism.
(DIR) Post #ATo0EjERHrHF75SdN2 by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T09:59:16Z
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@Hamishcampbell and i've been thinking a lot and researching the foundations of communication because i also am trying to develop a clearer, simpler understanding of what it is we're really doing, via analogy to face-to-face tangible interactions. maybe this is "academic wank" as you say, but i do plan on building something eventually, or at least making it possible for someone else to build
(DIR) Post #ATo0EjyAXprBOur9eK by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T10:07:48Z
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@Hamishcampbell so far i've managed to identify the following separate types of communication- publishing: you make a resource available to some audience. (WWW)- subscribing: you receive or browse resources from others. (RSS/Atom, mailing lists and newsletters, status and events updates)- discussing: you go to some forum where other people gather. (also WWW)- messaging: direct communication with a known audience. (mail, chat, DM/PM, and so on)
(DIR) Post #ATo0EkSeiUF8vT7VAW by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T10:12:08Z
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@Hamishcampbell so, if we were to build a "unified communications app", it should at least be able to do those four things, via whatever various protocols you wish to support. but from an everyday perspective, no one cares about protocols, you just want to talk to people or see what they have to say. for the people who do care, we want our protocols to be open so that we aren't being controlled by the commercial corporations. (i believe you call them the "dot cons"?)
(DIR) Post #ATo0EkrpCuNOBWtbOq by Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info
2023-03-20T08:46:40Z
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@trwnh it's good to think and talk about these things. I did a few blog posts from this http://hamishcampbell.com comments please.
(DIR) Post #ATo0El26agbEhPhoQK by trwnh@mastodon.social
2023-03-20T10:18:21Z
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@Hamishcampbell and part of having those open protocols is having them be *good* protocols, useful and reflecting reality. not reflecting the business needs of those trying to monetize everything. hopefully a better understanding of "reality" can help develop better protocols that feel more "natural" and easier to understand and use. after that, well... that's the hard part in tearing down the walled gardens and building a proper commons.