Post ATibMaMMgjPVGk1BiK by danielcolquitt@mathstodon.xyz
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(DIR) Post #ATiZsuHByTwIOhsnVw by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-03-17T20:43:03Z
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In Germany, the situation for post-docs has been notoriously horrid: If you don't get a permanent position in 6 yearsâyou're out. Your contract cannot be renewed.The solution the government just announced for this is:đ„đ„đ„Reduce the maximum post-doc time to 3 years.WTFQT CaroWagner_in: In den letzten Wochen und Monaten habe ich unzĂ€hlige GesprĂ€che mit InteressenverbĂ€nden, dem Bundesministerium fĂŒr Bildung und Forschung und⊠https://twitter.com/twitter/status/1636830402332467200
(DIR) Post #ATibMaMMgjPVGk1BiK by danielcolquitt@mathstodon.xyz
2023-03-17T20:59:35Z
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@tiagoThis is just horrendous. No additional support, no career development, no alternative career paths?! They just arbitrarily cut the limit to 3 years?!
(DIR) Post #ATic7LJQS4auD7wH7A by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-03-17T21:08:05Z
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@danielcolquitt Exactly.They claim it brings more âclarityâ.If by 3 years you haven't made it, then it's clear you should get out and make other plans.It's the equivalent of controlling an epidemic by murdering everyone.
(DIR) Post #ATicLOKc1W4nd2C1OC by DNPFred@mstdn.social
2023-03-17T21:10:37Z
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@tiago @danielcolquitt France had something similar: 4 years.
(DIR) Post #ATicT03a9yuMetr5NI by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-03-17T21:12:00Z
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@DNPFred @danielcolquitt The past tense there is the big difference.
(DIR) Post #ATicgluDZOqipA2fLM by DNPFred@mstdn.social
2023-03-17T21:14:24Z
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@tiago @danielcolquitt allow me to be clearer: this is still in place and has been for that last 7/8 years.
(DIR) Post #ATidP5nUyUHvG626O8 by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-03-17T21:22:30Z
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@DNPFred @danielcolquitt It's horrible.But France at least has a broad tenure track system: you can go from postdoc to MaĂźtre de confĂ©rences, and only later to Professor.In Germany, these intermediary positions don't exist â with the exception of rare tenure track professorships.So often you have to jump from post-doc directly to a full professorship.And now you're expected to do this in 3 years.
(DIR) Post #ATidrY49SxkN2ZOJFY by DNPFred@mstdn.social
2023-03-17T21:27:37Z
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@tiago @danielcolquitt I'm not too familiar with the German system but I noted how difficult it is to get a position there. I found the Emmy Noether funding scheme to be stupid: set up your lab/group then 7 years later so everything and start again.France is very challenging nonetheless. You can become a maßtre de conférences but then your research slows down dramatically.I'm any case, my original message was to say, that these limitations in duration sucks.
(DIR) Post #ATiiWKWZ7OicjONoEi by JugglingWithEggs@mstdn.social
2023-03-17T22:19:49Z
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@tiago are they trying to benefit other EU countries? It takes time and money to get a PhD and longer again to get a tenured position these days. While some may not want to stay in academia and will go into business, many will...but probably not in Germany.
(DIR) Post #ATjTOvm5QzAVn2cID2 by tired_mom@nrw.social
2023-03-18T07:05:05Z
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@tiago I think they just got the sentence wrong in that advert. It says âreliable working conditions in researchâ and it was probably supposed to say âoutside researchâ đ