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(DIR) Post #ATfjEE0O8NMbmRNpKa by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T11:43:06.981226Z
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Kyiv, #Ukraine, Bohatyrska 20 street in March 2022 and now.
(DIR) Post #ATfjddwIqgWlS9aolc by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T11:48:15Z
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@kravietz Let me guess it immediately fell completely to the ground?
(DIR) Post #ATfk8aF4e3BUxn7tJI by adrcatgul@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T11:53:11Z
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@kravietz I love that they not only rebuild, but rebuild and make it look 10x better than it did. This galls russia just as much as being mired in Bakhmut. Bravo Ukraine.
(DIR) Post #ATfk9H2pVRwLiGjDhA by adrcatgul@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T11:53:58Z
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@guy @kravietz This is Kyiv, not russians in Mariupol.
(DIR) Post #ATfkDvVqzMHUNgWSv2 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T11:54:37.383083Z
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@adrcatgul Exactly, they turned a Soviet-style grey apartment block into a pretty nice modern building, I bet with proper insulation added too.
(DIR) Post #ATfkLOBInXwrK1T5fM by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T11:56:09Z
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@adrcatgul @kravietz I was making a 9/11 joke about how buildings collapse all the way to the ground after a short period of fire.I don't understand your response.
(DIR) Post #ATfkSFDoVXU7Ysub5M by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T11:57:09.205059Z
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@guy This is reinforced concrete so if there was no structural damage, they building could have been safely refurbished. In the first photo it looks like whatever Russians fired exploded in front of the building, damaging exteriors and causing fires, but not the structure.
(DIR) Post #ATfkVwnWwv7fZyNr3A by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T11:58:04Z
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@kravietz Thank you, I'll be here all week.
(DIR) Post #ATfkaQGVKft6834PAW by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T11:58:38.741750Z
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@guy US-specific jokes such as 9/11 conspiracies aren’t very well understood in Europe specifically because they’re US-specific.@adrcatgul
(DIR) Post #ATfkoGhnfjWwXARJpo by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:01:22Z
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@kravietz @adrcatgul American's are notoriously culturally insensitive.
(DIR) Post #ATfkzSahp2Daa8SS80 by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T12:03:07.610392Z
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@guy“American’s” what? @adrcatgul
(DIR) Post #ATfl7DW3kpIs90z2AK by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:04:47Z
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@kravietz @adrcatgul Nice catch.
(DIR) Post #ATflrPCwcJkfj64Czg by adrcatgul@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:13:08Z
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@guy @kravietz Aside from 9/11 jokes being in poor taste, your comment on a before and after implied you were referring to the after.
(DIR) Post #ATfm65gVUC6ZWItfPc by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:15:46Z
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@adrcatgul @kravietz ...go on
(DIR) Post #ATfmTXSGP2eYJBPp4q by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:20:02Z
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@adrcatgul @kravietz Also, 9/11 jokes are not in poor taste. Your response about building engineering completely illustrated that.
(DIR) Post #ATfmq9EacWl7qlnhPU by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:23:27Z
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@kravietz as I suspected most of the damage is extensive fires, gas is supplied to every apartment so guess what happens when Russians shell such houses up close
(DIR) Post #ATfn3CruQ5u8szQ1Vw by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:26:28Z
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@guy @kravietz there's difference between constructions, that WTC has very high heavy steel grid, when you heat steel it softens and it could collapse under its own weight eventually. In concrete houses with rebars that are only 9-16 levels it won't happed
(DIR) Post #ATfnM4i6yXGF5PpigC by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:29:54Z
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@Renegade_GDI @kravietz How about WTC 7?
(DIR) Post #ATfnkPUTMpyMU63dQG by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:34:17Z
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@guy @kravietz fire in the lower levels and fire in the upper levels would give the same effect, that's metal grid with high conductivity. Before collapse it even deforms the funny was as if the grid is made of rubber
(DIR) Post #ATfo4mORvObhJ9x9sm by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T12:37:42.038778Z
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@guy @Renegade_GDI The international conspiracy of Reptilian Illuminati! made the official version surprisingly consistent and convincing:On September 11, 2001, the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris ignited fires on multiple lower floors of the building, which continued to burn uncontrolled throughout the afternoon. The building’s internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered cascading failure of nearby columns throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
(DIR) Post #ATfo5662fXlaPrUjy4 by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:38:02Z
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@Renegade_GDI @kravietz If you believe you know what you're talking about RE structural engineering you should seriously look up WTC7. You'll have a better understanding of why I don't think 9/11 jokes are in poor taste.
(DIR) Post #ATfoH8vZy6FefjLQrw by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:40:11Z
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@guy @kravietz you think insurance scam, somebody made fire and called the fire department but then detonated charges to look like accident? I won't look natural if collapse of the building is completely impossible dues to fire but it seems like it's quite explained by physics of metal grids
(DIR) Post #ATfocvMX5HxSyGL1JA by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T12:43:52.126271Z
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@guy When you respond “you should seriously look up X” to people who have just looked up X and presented their findings, rather than dispute these findings, you only imply that you don’t understand them and choose to ignore them only to resort to the safe space of your conspiracy sources.@Renegade_GDI
(DIR) Post #ATforr7f88HCAIVDgu by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:46:51Z
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@Renegade_GDI @kravietz Called the fire department? Now that's a 9/11 joke in poor taste. But no, I don't believe FEMA's explanation of the event on Wikipedia...There's video of the owner stating he made the decision to "pull" the building before it fell to the ground in a tidy pile.
(DIR) Post #ATfoxfmYCstAjMOxP6 by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:46:07Z
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@kravietz @guy there's nothing quantum science, medieval blacksmiths make a piece of steel soft by small fire then kick the crap out if it into any shape they wanted. But it works only on 'skyscraper' kinda buildings, mostly metal and too heavy, almost on the egde of collapse. A bit of heating and it collapsed
(DIR) Post #ATfp7SeNsw1ctoFVRo by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-03-16T12:48:00Z
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@Renegade_GDI @guy @kravietz Larry Silverstein even said on TV that "we decided to pull it", meaning that they decided to demolish the building because it wasn't safe anymore. He leased and insured WTCs 1,2 and 7 two months before they came down. I think insurance scam is valid suspicion here.
(DIR) Post #ATfp7TJrOjCayRed60 by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:49:39Z
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@alasaarela @Renegade_GDI @kravietz It occurred to me a few comments back that I'm debating two The Ukrainian war advocates about false flag attacks.
(DIR) Post #ATfpWrjpkJDnwnub6e by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:54:14Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz one Ukrainian and one from Poland, so you can be sure we're advocating only self-preservation, nobody wanna go genocided here
(DIR) Post #ATfpvcHCMzO1EVJu5I by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T12:50:35Z
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@alasaarela @guy @kravietz but also there's history of alqaeda from almost the same clowns and in 1993 they moved in a fuel air bomb into the WTC towers and detonated it. They didn't know physics, cold steel is really resistant. And Clinton is like 'Afghanistan? There's no Taliban there, why attack our buddies Mujahideen? Get lost!'
(DIR) Post #ATfpxgcZBgXBHqImA4 by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T12:59:06Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz ...Russians are motivated by the desire to commit genocide on Ukrainians and the Pols now?What a load of horseshit.
(DIR) Post #ATfqlUVwTU4SDWx5Ye by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T13:07:47.713404Z
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@guy Russians literally say it in Russian state media. You may not be aware because they obviously do not say that in their English-language media targeted for US audience.One example, Pavel Gubaryev, former leader of DNR, speaking to Ukrainians: “We aren’t coming to kill you, but to convince you. But if you don’t want to be convinced, we’ll kill you. We’ll kill as many as we have to: 1 million, 5 million, or exterminate all of you.”Plenty of such statements from Russian side over the last year. Their declared goal is literally physical eradication of any presence of Ukrainian ethnicity from the territory of Ukraine, and colonize it by Putinist Russians.They also voiced similar threats towards Poland and Baltics too, but after their miserable defeats they were of course received as nothing more than sabre rattling, but the words have been said.@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela
(DIR) Post #ATfrNcNVgVyPbxBjcW by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T13:14:59Z
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@kravietz @alasaarela @Renegade_GDI You should pick a more plausible narrative.
(DIR) Post #ATfrWTrGjOz3nEKkj2 by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-03-16T13:16:00Z
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@kravietz @guy @Renegade_GDI The republicans who say that the war could have been avoided by appeasing Putin more are simply wrong. He has a Hitler complex and wants to conquer more land and slaves before his time is up.
(DIR) Post #ATfrb7UXJjvNs7ufHE by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T13:17:25Z
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@guy @kravietz @alasaarela that's for the senators. Mitch McConnel could find millions more credible reasons - UN national interests, profits to Raytheon, NATO borders, Budapest Memorandum... and other part of the GOP just mentions cartels also require attention so part of bombings go right there and kick Sinaloa butz hard!!
(DIR) Post #ATfrcCOUZjtrMmbHeq by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T13:17:28.348197Z
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@guy You’re clearly here not to discuss, but to post your pro-Putin content. As such you only deserve to be reported and blocked and I would encourage everyone to do the same.@alasaarela @Renegade_GDI
(DIR) Post #ATfs9btcmQM4145tD6 by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T13:23:40Z
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@alasaarela @kravietz @Renegade_GDI You don't think its strategic and economic?You believe it's based on race?I am not familiar with the term Hitler Complex. I have heard of a Napoleon Complex. I could believe he has that.I'm not understanding why Russians or Putin would care about any particular race or ethnicity as long as they were out of the territory they have annexed, or at least not actively resisting within it.
(DIR) Post #ATftsU1WzpjUaMklSC by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T13:42:24Z
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@kravietz @alasaarela @guy I noticed WTC conspiracy is also part of Russian propaganda, @Partisangirl at birdsite spams either that or attacks Ukraine, from time to time she's reminded she's supposed to back Assad and Hezbollah and then she sez 'sorry'
(DIR) Post #ATftxGPX2IoDoWG6xU by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T13:43:42.121103Z
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@Renegade_GDI His general narrative, jumping from topic to topic, was a bit of a red flag that he might have been a plain Olgino troll.@alasaarela @guy
(DIR) Post #ATftzmAhv9dwtiWTVg by tivasyk@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T13:23:07Z
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@kravietz @adrcatgul are you guys feeding a #russian troll? because i don't see it :-)
(DIR) Post #ATfu1N5U9dI3gBqCcC by ottona@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T13:43:15Z
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@tivasyk @kravietz @adrcatgul pity, don't see it either. :)
(DIR) Post #ATfu3jvIDtTx59CddY by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T13:44:48.848430Z
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@tivasyk @adrcatgul That’s exactly what we were doing :) now blocked on my end.
(DIR) Post #ATfuG3mWDQQ29AyQ1w by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-03-16T13:46:28Z
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@Renegade_GDI @kravietz @guy I’m a pro-Ukraine, pro-American Finn who has lived in the US for many years. I applaud the US support to Ukraine, and hope it continues until a full victory, but I still think the 9/11 official story is fishy. I hope we can carry diverse opinions on such issues based on our own observations.
(DIR) Post #ATfuKlOW0QigZHzN9k by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-03-16T13:47:55.428998Z
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@alasaarela We absolutely can, in case of @guy it’s the troll-like pattern of jumping topics without actually discussing any of them.@Renegade_GDI
(DIR) Post #ATful5m0rNDnIlXBMO by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T13:48:21Z
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@alasaarela @kravietz @guy the US don't really need such provocations to start some 'anti-ISIS campaign', Obama maybe comes to the Congress and says 'Government of Iraq asked us for aid and we need to act', nobody blew up Capitol buildings to start war on ISIS. Then Iraqi gov't said 'Stoopid kuffar infidels, we deceived and tricked you, we want Islamic State for Shia and be vassal of Chine' and they kicke the US out of Baghram AB
(DIR) Post #ATful6JgqA9yzDI4qu by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T13:52:48Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz Dude look at the timeline, we went straight to Iraq. That wasn't ISIS, that was Saddam and the Baathist party.
(DIR) Post #ATfutb5kIr8kkZosme by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T13:54:22Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz that's comparison of how the US could say 'N. Alliance legitimate government of Afghanistan asked us to defeat Taliban and Alqaeda too' then start kicking butz. Why blow up any buildings at all?
(DIR) Post #ATfuvMahBhfAM88deq by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T13:54:43Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz And it didn't have anything to do with 9/11 according to anyone's assessment.
(DIR) Post #ATfv7xjuta5z2tSWxc by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-03-16T13:54:30Z
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@Renegade_GDI @kravietz @guy agree with the sentiment, but any physics scholar worth their studies would say a building with small fire on one side doesn’t collapse on itself unless deliberately demolished. They still won’t say the same on WTC7. That’s the fishy part.
(DIR) Post #ATfv7yEP4ETwZRisTo by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T13:56:58Z
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@alasaarela @Renegade_GDI @kravietz Fire on one side, wouldn't it also collapse to that side?It fell perfectly and uniformly flat without damaging any neighboring properties.
(DIR) Post #ATfv8QBX8Up7GeaytU by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T13:57:01Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz that's maybe the only part that's correct, the US don't really need 9/11 to go fight some terrorists. They did go fight Milosevic, then later came to bomb Gaddafi and no buildings suffered in NY because of that
(DIR) Post #ATfvR98UkRErtR6RqS by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:00:26Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz metal grid is high conducting material, it softens and then collapses starting from the weakest point, as they say in that case one support beam in the center
(DIR) Post #ATfvWcfAOXniuvzpKq by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:01:26Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz You obviously have very little understanding of what 9/11 was used to justify in the US.Anyway, it's all economic when the US is involved in foreign affairs. Don't be duped by our politicians into thinking they care about anyone but themselves.
(DIR) Post #ATfvq6TDnQ1CrhhLQe by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:04:58Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz Dude you are reading FEMA's assessment on Wikipedia. The Department of Homeland Security was created by 9/11.That's like reading the Warren Report to understand JFK's assassination.
(DIR) Post #ATfw3lN92DQjU8Mx3A by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:03:02Z
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@alasaarela @kravietz @guy in case of some private very rich guy who tried to scam other rich guys for insurance, there's always too many risk that cops and the FBI stick there noses and find something. Insurance company won't pay stuff and rather try to prove that's scam and no amount of GW Bush wishful thinking could stop it, they'd dig something!
(DIR) Post #ATfw3m1uae2XWZRVaq by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:07:25Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz Years from now when it occurs to you that this was all a scam to manipulate energy prices and sell a bunch of military equipment, I hope you remember this.
(DIR) Post #ATfwOH3cwJcNXx1KE4 by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:11:07Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz but FEMA is from Jimmy Carter times and they'd deal with emergencies, while DHS answers directly to POTUS, Trump once used them to crush protesters in Portland, while the rest of the agencies did nothing
(DIR) Post #ATfwevktOTQGOzCRwO by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:14:08Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz that really isn't about energy when Afghanistan has almost no oil, Chinese started some projects there some years ago and nobody in the US wanted to invest there
(DIR) Post #ATfwgI02AxRhgGvjCi by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:14:24Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz FEMA is Homeland Security.
(DIR) Post #ATfwvbYviwEqhJYUqm by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:17:06Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz FEMA got created in 1979, but also answer to POTUS. Federal Protection, Secret Service and Border Patrol don't even need common DHS to serve their duty as usual and crack on those who POTUS won't like and cancel there green card!
(DIR) Post #ATfxFfA835YxedWFu4 by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:20:46Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz and before creating DHS the US had Immigration and Naturalization Service instead of the mess of BP, USCIS and ICE but still they'd go search for illegals and such and deport them to hell!
(DIR) Post #ATfxKHpUEAa6jj4K4e by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:21:37Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz You don't know what you're talking about, or what I'm talking about.
(DIR) Post #ATfxlSJVM7CF4U44f2 by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:26:31Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz then why you're even talking about stuff that's not related to restoration of a building in Kyiv?!
(DIR) Post #ATfxuZuwSDr7GCvRxI by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:28:09Z
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@guy @adrcatgul @kravietz that was LONG period of fire, and 7th tower too, long long fire and it heated the bulkheads to softening point. Then boom!
(DIR) Post #ATfy35tRS8NskSHhvE by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:29:43Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz No need to continue.
(DIR) Post #ATfyOQ5tXdr3TuHJs8 by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:33:34Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz indeed as you assessments about reasons to come to Afghanistan suggests you didn't look into it much. Why not mention that Mujahideen had stingers, then Taliban came and kicked there butz, then stingers could come to the hands of bad guys? Reason enough to come intervene
(DIR) Post #ATfykdIF9EvCmxe7nM by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-16T14:37:35Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz Our politicians are playing games, selling equipment in your countries. They don't care about your causes or the damage caused.This situation is exactly the same. The mujahedeen were being armed in order to annoy ant thwart Russia. Americans don't give a fuck about the mujahedeen. It's about money.
(DIR) Post #ATfzC7OBMQ9vwpWvcu by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-16T14:42:32Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz they did actually cheer for Shah Massoud but alqaeda blew him up, then later helped make Rabbani part of the new Afghani government. Those are old notorious Mujahideen who even fought Daoud before the Soviets assassinated him in 1978 Saur coup
(DIR) Post #ATh5GN55kmIyeoyJpQ by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-17T03:25:16Z
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@Renegade_GDI @alasaarela @kravietz Osama bin laden came out of the mujahedeen and was allegedly behind 9/11.US military industrial complex used that as a basis for the perpetual war on terror and a basis to invade, wait for it... Iraq. I wouldn't doubt that disenfranchised Azov battalion remnants launch some lame ass attack against the US in 15 years, and we use that for justification to get into some comply new military misadventure. Negotiate peace. You're being played.
(DIR) Post #AThHBMQByfqKc6DcDA by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-17T05:38:48Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz that's just Saudi operative to help supply real Mujahideed who are not Arabs but Pashtuns, Tajiks and Uzbeks. As Saudi king once sent Jamal Khashoggi to bring him home he refused, and decided to go rogue and found some international terror squad. When common Mujahideen as noted planned to take power in Afghanistan, until Taliban raided them from Pakistan
(DIR) Post #AThHcseiEv8KPA8IhE by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-17T05:43:46Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz are you reallly that desperate? We negotiated peace since 1991, always ends up in Russians breaking agreements and attacking Crimea again to steal it. Only defeating the violent fascist imperialist aggresor can stop the aggression
(DIR) Post #AThIh5cW4zUnj5g0gq by Renegade_GDI@mastodon.world
2023-03-17T05:55:44Z
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@guy @alasaarela @kravietz you also make zero sense about Azov that's been a SWAT team of patrol police and those who had military background could become cops. If they didn't break any laws. So why would cops go attack some US?! Even if 4 dozen of them are some far right bunch who founded National Corps, nobody there attacked anyone, and the US too. Minister Avakov doesn't hire terrorists!