Post ATfgag8bv0vjXZFDMW by galdor@emacs.ch
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(DIR) Post #ATfgafUYJwt5XKVDvM by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-03-16T10:51:42Z
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Am I the only #CommonLisp programmer who doesn't like local-time? Just give me python's datetime API and leave me alone, I don't want to read a paper to use a timestamp library :)
(DIR) Post #ATfgag8bv0vjXZFDMW by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-03-16T11:14:04Z
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@lispegistus You are not, I always found it really confusing. I have the beginning of a time package in Tungsten if you need some inspiration.https://github.com/galdor/tungsten/tree/master/tungsten-time/src
(DIR) Post #ATfh2j96KRbcyfqf3o by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-03-16T11:19:09Z
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@galdorI already have a list of at least a dozen of lisp libraries I need to write to get to the thing I actually want to write, I don't need inspiration, I need an open source grant or something :)
(DIR) Post #ATfjFBDtxmEJRR9x5M by svetlyak40wt@fosstodon.org
2023-03-16T11:32:36Z
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@lispegistus @galdor hey, God, one more life please!
(DIR) Post #ATfjFBrxYqGxRftwWW by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-03-16T11:35:33Z
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@svetlyak40wt @galdor I don't need another life, I need money. I have about 4 hours of productive focused time a day, and very soon I'll be forced to sell it to some bullshit company or something to make rent, I would rather sell it to the CL community, but they are even stingier than most :)
(DIR) Post #ATfjFCQhTg3tBQ9gfo by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-03-16T11:43:48Z
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@lispegistus @svetlyak40wt Welcome in my world. The whole open source grant is something I think regularly about, but I do not see any way to live from open source work beyond support/consulting. As it turns out, people do not pay for things you give away for free.It's not that the CL community is stingy, it is that the language is dead out of a handful of companies, so almost all CL developers are hobbyist and obviously they are not going to pay for anything. Same problem in most other niche languages by the way.
(DIR) Post #ATfjXa9m03tDz30GYq by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-03-16T11:47:08Z
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@galdor @svetlyak40wt Part of the reason I started working on Nite is if I can make something that gets you from 0 to a working website in minutes(did this with Django this morning) in lisp, it would make it possible to start making at least some money with CL, and thus creating a market for libraries. Moonshot, I know, especially considering I don't even begin to have the resources to actually finish it, Django has a 17 year head start after all :)
(DIR) Post #ATfmCjc9wNQl6820ps by svetlyak40wt@fosstodon.org
2023-03-16T12:15:17Z
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@lispegistus @galdor > Django has a 17 year head start after all :)Now multiply it to the number of python developers working on the Django itself and it's extensions and you will understand your ecosystem will be feature-complete at year 3023 or later :)
(DIR) Post #ATfmCkAXsWw6om7TQu by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-03-16T12:16:59Z
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@svetlyak40wt @lispegistus It is not so much about the number of developers, it is that there is no market for Common Lisp web development.If you build it because you have a use case, great! But getting customers is something else.
(DIR) Post #ATfnMBxc1IorZW8hJQ by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-03-16T12:29:53Z
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@galdor @svetlyak40wt I actually do have a use case. I came up with a novel way to help manage time for neurodivergent folk and it works(to an extend) on paper. And I want to build it in Lisp, but I have to prototype it in Django because what's really missing is polish, polish makes you fast, not macros, macros just make the polish theoretically easier :)
(DIR) Post #ATfnNil9YkIhaO2aa8 by svetlyak40wt@fosstodon.org
2023-03-16T12:30:10Z
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@galdor @lispegistus there is no a market for Python or Javascript web development. There is a market of "web development". And you can find customers – great do the job using Common Lisp!But as you said, finding customers is completely another discipline than programming.