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(DIR) Post #ATZDuRdCb7pIbOpJh2 by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-13T08:24:26Z
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(DIR) Post #ATZFUKszFpXw3pt7Nw by useless_idiot@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-13T08:42:01Z
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@don 29 September: The Kremlin would NEVER do a landgrab! 1 October: The landgrab was unavoidable!
(DIR) Post #ATZYVzdx6QQxt2MLgm by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T12:15:18Z
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@don this is capitalist media, yes
(DIR) Post #ATZZD1BVFSxL7PZIky by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T12:17:24Z
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@don 2014 was a Western-backed coup and the new Ukrainian regime then launched a war against the Donbas when they broke away because they didn't support the coup government.
(DIR) Post #ATZZD22K55CtlEHU5Q by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-13T12:23:05Z
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@rbe_expert yep, and russia saved Donbas from regime by deploying concentration camps there. the only way to counter Western-backed coup is to genocide locals, if you not agree, you are russophobe
(DIR) Post #ATZZNRGp7J3Ouz1fjk by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T12:24:58Z
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@don What does that have to do with the Ukrainian war against the Donbas from 2014 to 2021?
(DIR) Post #ATZhcTteQyBt2Ys46C by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T12:28:13Z
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@don Why won't you support people's right to self-determination? Instead you support a central government that tried to subjugate people for not acquiescing to a coup government.
(DIR) Post #ATZhcUPYWLiAdVnXpQ by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-13T13:57:20Z
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@rbe_expert are you a real retard, or you are trying to pretend you are to earn a ruble?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians
(DIR) Post #ATZkxZE86wHTW2CD1E by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T14:34:44Z
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@don What does this have to do with the causes of the war?
(DIR) Post #ATa8qbPO01Uz9dflvk by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-13T19:02:26Z
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@rbe_expert the cause of war is the same as for the #Hitler. There were a lot of p̶o̶l̶i̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶t̶e̶s̶t̶s̶ Western-backed coups around the Europe, and a lot of Jews didn't support the coup governments. Hitler decided to help them with self-determination (using a concentration camps, same as russians), and WW2 got started. People who do not honor Hitler are russophobes, btw
(DIR) Post #ATaBa36s3LAa0ZoKfY by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T19:33:03Z
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@don This is stupid. You're just regurgitating garbage propaganda that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.Also, contrary to what you may think you know, Hitler and the other fascists came to power WITH THE BLESSING OF capitalists in Germany, as a means of putting down the threat of socialism. Similarly, capitalist Putin came to power BECAUSE the oligarchs in Russia illegally dissolved the USSR against the results of the popular referendums.
(DIR) Post #ATbMoX60egnRiUTci8 by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-14T09:13:38Z
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@rbe_expert how a dissolving of colonial empire could be illegal?
(DIR) Post #ATbfA8N33tiCZvtdvU by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-14T12:39:12Z
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@don Which are you talking about?
(DIR) Post #ATdcC9IjZ5TKcH6jJI by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-15T11:15:22Z
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@don @rbe_expert And we are temporarily expleted of worthless metal scrap.
(DIR) Post #ATdcHu4v4lXr8oOEqG by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-15T11:16:28Z
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@rbe_expert @don Were you born that retarded or you fucking won it in a lottery?
(DIR) Post #ATdcLQNvPwHOCsxUjQ by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-15T11:17:06Z
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@rbe_expert @don And just in case.
(DIR) Post #ATdcQ4s0ptTGvbFac4 by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-15T11:17:56Z
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@rbe_expert @don Z is for "lobotomised western Zombies", ya know?Cheers!
(DIR) Post #ATdcZyKa0HYXXiKYkK by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-15T11:19:44Z
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@rbe_expert @don Today is a "Peanut day". At what time does your brain throw the party?
(DIR) Post #ATeH1ERWCimBUx85Qm by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T11:34:34Z
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@rbe_expert @don Do you hear yourself? Why do you want then Ukraine as part of the ruZZian empire? You are clearly sick :)
(DIR) Post #ATeH1OzuxgEaEXIhRA by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-15T14:52:32Z
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@extrn @don I don't. I want NO empires.
(DIR) Post #ATeH1Pf2Un7yI4XXX6 by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T15:27:05Z
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@rbe_expert @don then why don't you support Ukrainian people, but instead you seem to support a fascist state engaged in war crines and genocide? Because ... capitalism... yeah, right. Useful idiot indeed.
(DIR) Post #ATeH1QJ65rAcIJHWyG by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-15T18:18:48Z
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@extrn @don Azov is literally fascist, its leaders support Stepan Bandera.
(DIR) Post #ATeH1QuJrSwc9khFzM by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-15T18:52:48Z
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@rbe_expert @extrn the whole Ukrainian working class support Bandera. He is heroic anti-colonialist fighter . The reason why orcs call him fascist, because everyone who does not bend the knee to russian empire is a fascist
(DIR) Post #ATeUGyVKWuEe6SkWjA by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T18:20:16.101Z
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@extrn@qoto.org What determines what state is "fascist" and what state isn't? If Russia wasn't "fascist", would that change your opinion of things? @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @don@liberdon.com
(DIR) Post #ATeUGyzohYcbd10sFM by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T19:14:06Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert there's a definition (several in fact) of fascism. You can look for traits that are present in all fascist states. For example:- ultranazionalism- cult to the "glorious past"- identifyjng varius groups as "enemies of the people".- taking the voice of "the people": saying what "the people" like or don't like, what they want or don't want, imposing your view on how the society should be organized - because you supposedly speak with "the people's voice"...There are a bunch of other signs as well. Look it up somewhere. ruZZia is clearly a fascist state right now.
(DIR) Post #ATeUGzTwtWiz8T6wDI by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T19:17:55.310Z
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@extrn@qoto.org These seem like pretty vague and ambiguous "traits" that could ulteriorly be applied to many states irrespective of political and/or economic/socioeconomic organization. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeUH01GtdNanohY9Y by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T20:11:47Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert you can start educating yoursef here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
(DIR) Post #ATeUH0YwsQJmUGSRe4 by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T20:14:16.365Z
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@extrn@qoto.org You do realize that entire page speaks about how ethereal the concept of "fascism" itself is, with many different groups having many different definitions---it's anything but concrete or objective. The article even begins with a quote from a historian saying:trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wallYou just did an internet search for the Wikipedia article to link without even looking at it yourself, I assume? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeUH182lwOIF6sTLc by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T20:35:39Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert I've read the page some time ago, when I was interested in it. So, in your oppinion because there are many definitions of something means that something does not exist? Fine. Replace fascism with a long list of verifiable wrongs and crimes ruZZia has done... I already said I don't care for labels. The labes are just shortcuts.
(DIR) Post #ATeUH1Zh78VbcroYRk by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T20:36:13.330Z
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@extrn@qoto.org Okay, excellent, so you finally answered my core question originally:If Russia wasn't "fascist", would that change your opinion of things?So, I assume the answer, then, is "no"? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeUH237Lk2p67a3JA by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T20:51:37Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert I don't understand what it means ruZZia not being fascist. RuZZia has killed innocent civilians in Ukraine, has bombed shelters, schools, kindergardens and hospitals. Has destroyed civil infrastructure, has deported children from the occupied territories, has killed and raped and tortured prisoners. Has burned Ukrainian textbooks and has prosecuted ukrainian teachers. Has turned on its own citizen, sending them into prison for long time for even a minor critique of the war (which they officially refuse to call "war")... The ruZZian big bussiness is divided by several oligarchs - friends of tzar putler... In my oppinion all this is evil motivated by personal greed and vanity of the tzar... By his dreams of a great empire full of serfs... So I don't understand the question. What is supposed to not be true?
(DIR) Post #ATeUH2UPiFsYSmLqr2 by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T20:53:13.663Z
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@extrn@qoto.org I asked, regardless of your hangup on "fascism", if this was being done by any other country than Russia (or, if Russia wasn't "fascist", as you claim [whatever that means, it does not matter]), would you feel so similarly? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeUH2x7zUqbtpmmbw by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T21:14:04Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert I haven't even started yet with all the ruZZian crimes of the last 50 years. The most awful crime IMNSHO is the disregard of the individual. Treating their own people like meat that exists only for the sake of advancing the goals of the tzar. This absolutist mentality was erradicated in the west a long time ago. So I can see North Korea or China very well in this role. US had done some pretty outrageous things in Latin America and the Middle East. Britain in the past too. But you are not going to turn full ruZZian troll here asking: "And what about..."? Right? That's not an afgument at all. putler has destroyed the European security architecture existing since the ww2 and I, as an European and a citizen of a country, that's a victim of the ruZZian imperialism will not play with hypotheticals in my ivory tower while there is an acive ruZZian plot to destabilize my own country and enslave me and my family. Fuck ruZZia, fuck putler, prigozin and the whole Kremlin. Let tgem burn!
(DIR) Post #ATeUH3QCFQ6FLzNzv6 by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T21:15:58.435Z
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@extrn@qoto.org So, this all really just comes down to the fact that you hate Russia/Russians and are a Eurocentric chauvinist? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATefevpDF3ugEtfvsW by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T21:28:39Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert not at all. I would feel the same about any country killing people that want to be free. It just so happens that I have a particulary long history with ruZZia an md ruZZian lies
(DIR) Post #ATefewNx9thbydvg1o by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T21:31:17.108Z
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@extrn@qoto.org What do you think should be done to a country like Russia for what they're doing? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATefewrjNBWPSzrSRU by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T21:38:42Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert Nothing *should* be done to a country. The tzar will fall off a window when they lose the war. There will be a brief struggle between the oligarchs (because in their authoritarian government there are no rules of succession) and then a fission process will occur, splitting Chechnia and other parst of ruZZia. It is possible China to take Siberia. So what they deserve will happen all by itself. What should be done is just one thing - help them lose the war
(DIR) Post #ATefexLrZ9cmyRxWPQ by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T21:44:51.547Z
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@extrn@qoto.org When do you imagine all of this will happen? @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATefexoDriJGOPEAc4 by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T21:57:25Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert It depends on the western support for Ukraine. The west has been very shy in that support. It is telling when you review the support by % of GDP: the former eastern bloc leads: All small countries that know what to expect from the empire. Meanwhile the likes of Macron and Sholtz are playing politics an "talking on the phone" and "keeping the channels open". Clowns. US has their own reasons for their support - they already carried the burden of one cold war - perhaps they don't want another.
(DIR) Post #ATefeyRZVPmkMRdawi by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:00:35Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert I can only hope this will be resolved quickly - within 5 years. But I am afraid it will not. So instead of doing something productive we are paying a ruZZian tax - because the fucking ruZZians are stupid and can't understand the first thing about dictatorships...
(DIR) Post #ATefez1NMIQQ9UOBkm by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
2023-03-15T23:28:52.418375Z
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@extrn Russians aren't stupid, most are just brainwashed and we've never had strong democratic institutions and democratic tradition to counter the authoritarian power grab to begin with.Making Russia lose the war isn't too hard, it'll probably happen this year, but what's next? Fixing Russia in it's current form isn't possible. Splitting it into a dozen of smaller states the size of Poland like your said is probably the best way, each of these states will barely have the resources to wage wars and if some of them will get just as corrupt, some probably won't. But who and how is going to implement it? It's a complex task that has to be carried out for decades and no one in the West is exactly eager to do that. Just leaving it be is also not an option — having a civil war in a country that has stashes of Soviet-era military equipment is hardly better than what we have today. I personally doubt that Russia even has any operational strategic nuclear weapons. Servicing those requires huge sums of money, at the same time there is no visible output. I know how corrupt this country is very well so those funds most probably got completely stolen. But still, not a single person in the world is going to put their money on it. No one is going to act as if there are no nuclear weapons. Even if there are none, there are nuclear power plants, catastrophe on one of those in a war-torn country doesn't sound too good, right?The West, including the US, is not interested in all that, they'll be fine with Russia as it is and will probably do everything to keep it together, just replacing Putin with someone who is slightly less nuts, so they can get back to business as usual as soon as possible. But in this case this cycle is bound to repeat itself again and again.@adiz @don @rbe_expert
(DIR) Post #ATeivTJsmEb0cJbEX2 by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T22:00:50.803Z
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@extrn@qoto.org I wouldn't exactly call the support "shy"---the United States has spent more on Ukraine in a year than they did over a decade in their war against Afghanistan. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeivTpmrc7IDGWiGG by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:06:03Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert USA still refuse to provide more effective weapons like ATACMS. Ukraine needs also abilities to hit deep inside ruZZian territory: to destroy airstrips for strategic bombers and training centers.
(DIR) Post #ATeivUIV8r5LeJxe1A by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T22:07:35.105Z
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@extrn@qoto.org I don't want America to provide more money and weapons to Ukraine. I'm already upset that America has spent the amount of tax dollars on some corrupt Eastern European rotating-puppet-state that they have. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeivUpTAHSNIZNyPA by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:15:48Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert And what state that will be? And if you don't do it now, eventually you'll have to do it - just like in WW2. And it will be much more expensive. I think the american administration understands this very well, but they move slowly because of politics - both internal and international.
(DIR) Post #ATeivVMnAO6yxuyaLQ by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T22:29:03.314Z
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@extrn@qoto.org I don't think we will have to do anything at all. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeivVyitMS8rYisT2 by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:41:05Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert Not helping Ukraine means ruZZia taking it. Then Moldova. Increasing their influence. Getting cocky. Starting shit in US (Trump). It is vastly more expensive than just proving them wrong right in the spot of their first transgression. (not that it's their first - they already escalated from human rights issues in the 2000s to the war with Georgia, to the poisonings on western soil, to annexations of Crimea and starting shit in Donbas, to elections interference in US and otger countries...). Much cheaper to kill 500000 orcs and be done with it.
(DIR) Post #ATeivWLPX0bJzvKzpY by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:26:05Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert Much like our government here. Officially - not sending weapons so the ruZZian puppets here are happy. Unofficially - top supporter of Ukraine during the initial critical phase of the war last year. That no doubt was the cause of the government fall. Since then we are under interim gov. managed by a pro-ruzzian president that creates chaos in the country and destroys the democratic institutions.
(DIR) Post #ATeivWW2tT6kWuJUPI by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-15T23:35:47.182Z
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@extrn@qoto.org We aren't taking anything. Pretty racist of you to refer to Slavic people's as "orcs". You're clearly a typical European supremacist. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATeivWzT84dy0A4zGi by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T23:47:26Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert I do not refer to slavic people as orcs. I'm slavic people... :) ruZZian rapists in Ukraine are orcs. Ask anyone ghat cares. .
(DIR) Post #ATeivXYv0H03m6fIWW by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-15T23:58:05Z
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@extrn @adiz @don From my perspective as a Marxist this whole war is a huge tragedy that didn't need to happen if the USSR's regime had not been revisionist Stalinists who decided to undemocratically dissolve itself to allow its bureaucracy to profit off of privatization. The Ukraine War is the result of capitalist imperialism of NATO / the West seeking to assimilate Russia and then China into its territory and control to protect itself against collapse.
(DIR) Post #ATeivY5X315VPFvLMG by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T00:05:28.187530Z
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@rbe_expert @extrn @adiz @don when the war broke out initially, i was active in the local support for ukraine in my country (still am). to this day, i have not seen a worse consideration of facts and people than the one that the local marxist organisation gave. people were dying and they couldnt even bear to call them people, just workers
(DIR) Post #ATeivYGAPTavwEtpw0 by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T00:01:00Z
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@extrn @adiz @don This becomes obvious once you read this:https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/
(DIR) Post #ATeivZ83B8hEdM6rvE by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-15T22:32:30Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert Sad truth is, freedom has to be forcibly accuired. People that get their freedom by someone tend to lose it quickly. But the free nations has the obligation to support that struggle. Ukraine now has the potential to turn really free, independant and strong country. It will all pay out.
(DIR) Post #ATeokFUwQO7GI0nuE4 by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T00:13:15Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don we have a saying here that sounds like: "don't sell cucumbers to an all cucumberman". You are a hobbist marxist. I've lived through that shit... You are very much mistaken and wrong about many things. You are happy to be able to discuss your (backward) views in a free forum - a luxury you wouldn't have under any totalitarian ideology. According to Trotsky (for example) the likes of me will regretfully have to be exterminated :) I'd very much like that, obviously :))))
(DIR) Post #ATeokHeEQojgxPALz6 by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T00:17:34Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don An old socialist joke: Khruschev and Kennedy meet and Kennedy laments over the freedom of speech in USSR and proudly asserts: Any citizen in US can curse the american president publicly! Kruschev replys: "Same here - any citizen can curse the american president, no restrictions!"
(DIR) Post #ATfKHWD6PHoCFznuRk by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T00:54:31.799Z
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@errante@rot.gives Workers are people. The distinction (and tragedy) is that it's the workers (the proletariat class) suffering and dying for the benefit of oligarchs, corporate interests, and geopolitical agendas which they are uninvolved in and do not benefit from. @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @extrn@qoto.org @don@liberdon.com
(DIR) Post #ATfKHWrA0LqqGEXtsu by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T07:04:05.216659Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert @extrn yes all workers are people but if you focus on their societal function as their primary discerning trait, can you really say you care?
(DIR) Post #ATfKrDK26tHK6L4BzU by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T07:07:07.957Z
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@errante@rot.gives It's not about societal function, it's about economic class. We exist within a modern caste of sorts based on class. Building consciousness of the division and one's place and exploitation within this system, and developing solidarity amongst one another, allows organization against the hierarchy. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @extrn@qoto.org
(DIR) Post #ATfKrDqIAx5BiO9xGy by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T07:10:30.895788Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert @extrn :akarided: do you not see how it is incredibly dehumanising to have my country invaded, my friends and family forced out or killed, all for them to be reduced to 'workers' and their plight to 'workers struggle' amd no acknowledgement given to them beyond that
(DIR) Post #ATfKsgmY439tl86kZU by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T07:10:27Z
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@adiz @errante @don @rbe_expert dividing people by class builds real solidarity 😂😂😂😂😂🤡... of the kind needed for building concentration camps...
(DIR) Post #ATfLIkqJaaN1smIZnc by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T07:15:29.503571Z
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@extrn @adiz @don @rbe_expert the marxist only cares about the individual insofar as they can embody the idealised worker. if they deviate (lumpenprole, for instance) they are discarded. if marxist realises this flaw, then they contort their definition of worker to include the people they care about, rather than challenge the worker notion
(DIR) Post #ATfLWKQYb84I0iitY8 by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T07:17:57.346853Z
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@extrn @adiz @don @rbe_expert marx, notably, only cared about factory workers. no one else had revolutionary potential. thieves, and prostitutes were evil corruptions of the pure prole, and farmers were too stupid
(DIR) Post #ATfN2BvxoNjqtDAdsm by errante@rot.gives
2023-03-16T07:34:50.600483Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert @extrn doesnt change the fact that his analysis needs to be contorted in every case that its potentially helpful
(DIR) Post #ATfO1HXpZ7CJxJ0rAm by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T07:33:57.316Z
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@errante@rot.gives Marx got a lot of proposed antidotes incorrect but I believe his criticisms of capitalism and identification of problems within society are inarguable. @extrn@qoto.org @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATgU7rdB6WSCUmznSS by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T06:25:25Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don So NATO started the war... Diesn't strike me as something a sane person would say....
(DIR) Post #ATgU7sEOs8ECMEPWTY by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T06:32:09.924Z
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@extrn@qoto.org Gee, I don't know, it's not like there was a CIA sponsored coup that toppled the pro-Russian government in 2014 and installed a radically pro-Western regime which purged the officer corps, immediately began antagonisms on the Eastern borders, and destroyed decades of Ukrainian-Russian cooperation or anything. @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @don@liberdon.com
(DIR) Post #ATgU7slMtYbE0TpqrY by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T06:37:51Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert dou you have any evidence? Because of experience I can tell you it is far more likely the educated Ukrainians living in big cities envisioned themselves as part of Europe with freedom to go wherever they like, work whatever they want and live their lives as they please, than deciding to join an authoritarian pigsty.
(DIR) Post #ATgU7tLshno3piv0m8 by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T11:01:09Z
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@extrn @adiz @don So they needed to foment unrest in the streets of Kiev and coup the government. That was their solution to that.
(DIR) Post #ATgU7tyWO8iNlYzs0G by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T11:13:19Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don who are "they"? And solution to what? And do yoj have any evidence? Because I can tell you - nobody needs to foment anything with me - the moment the orcs try to take my freedom they'll die
(DIR) Post #ATgU7udztvtLqCOzeS by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T11:32:16Z
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@extrn @adiz @don These "educated Ukrainians living in big cities" that you speak of
(DIR) Post #ATgU7v9C1wqTOwzuHA by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T11:42:57Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don these are people that do not want to have their lifes stollen by a dictatorship. I tell you - no sane person who lived in eastern Europe will ever want to join ruZZian sphere of influence.
(DIR) Post #ATgU7vpNV6abVmjb1s by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T12:34:51Z
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@extrn @adiz @don The old Ukrainian regime was at least as democratic as the new Ukrainian regime, which bans worker strikes and leftist opposition parties.
(DIR) Post #ATgU7we4Sd8g30S52m by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T13:33:25Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don old regime was also fond of snipers killing protesters as far as I remember. I also remember poisoning politicians... And if you want to see what Ukraine would have been now, look no further than Belarus. I don't know why you are so drawn to dictators. Why don't you go to live there? It is easy recommending "workers" do it, why don't you give an example? You are too comfortable enjoying the freedom of the west, while talking shit about it... I believe Popper concluded you should not be given that opportunity... So just go ti ruZZia or Noth Korea to educate tha "workers" 🤡🤡🤡
(DIR) Post #ATgU7xEaGsLVsFXExM by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T13:56:15Z
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@extrn @adiz @don Evidence of snipers?
(DIR) Post #ATgU7xp657YLhUcOrw by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T14:13:47Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don dead bodies
(DIR) Post #ATgU7yOBydcrSL2QZU by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T14:14:12.849Z
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@extrn@qoto.org Evidence of dead bodies? @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @don@liberdon.com
(DIR) Post #ATgU7z4jQTeZaGwOsS by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T14:24:46Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert so you lost the ability to google?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties
(DIR) Post #ATgU7zdTLJRVK1C91k by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T15:00:27Z
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@extrn @adiz @don Wasn't this during the riots that forced the government to flee the building?
(DIR) Post #ATgU80CZEpW14rcAjI by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T15:04:14Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don wasn't this during the Yanukovich betrayal that forced the riots?
(DIR) Post #ATgU80m171s6qoCTz6 by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T15:07:54Z
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@extrn @adiz @don What betrayal? So you couldn't wait to simply have another election?
(DIR) Post #ATgU81SCaBcExdwAjo by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T15:21:14Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don because the traitor broke the negotiations with EU and moved swiftly to ruZZia... why didn't he wait for elections? You are too appologetic of dictators. Are you sure you are marxist? You look like a putler shill
(DIR) Post #ATgU82A9wkmH9yVHFo by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T15:26:54.639Z
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@extrn@qoto.org Ukraine was already geopolitically aligned with Russia. So, if you brand someone a "traitor" and muddy the waters with prerogatives then it's okay to throw a violent coup and overthrow a stable government (assuming it's backed by and beneficial to Western interests)? Funny how these "rules" work! 🥴 @rbe_expert@mastodon.social @don@liberdon.com
(DIR) Post #ATgU832kfmRjtI2sLY by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T15:34:02Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert Bullshit. Ukraine was in negotiations for integration with EU. That's what the people expected and I'd be shocked to learn putler didn't know.
(DIR) Post #ATgU83mTvl1gB7ROcq by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T15:36:19.149Z
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@extrn@qoto.org You are just going to make up whatever "rules" or justifications or excuses you need to keep your viewpoint on the "win". You've moved goalposts across this playing field so many times the grass has muddied. You really have zero foundation. Discussing things with you is like "pulling teeth", or akin to negotiating with a toddler. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATgU84cEpKQUldejIW by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T15:59:31Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert again bullshit. The negotiations with EU were actually complete. Just a few days before sighing Yanukovich turned to putler. How that sounds to you? ... speaking of toddlers... "the capitalist media" excuse is so deeply integrated in your mind that you refuse to see even basic facts. Putler tried to grab Ukraine. He failed, so he startrd a war. Grow up!
(DIR) Post #ATgU85WxQRnRbYC1ho by adiz@outerkosm.us
2023-03-16T16:11:04.083Z
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@extrn@qoto.org I'm not going to discuss anything further. You refuse to accept any level playing field for conversation. You won't make any concessions. You outright refused to even consider any equivalency or equality in geopolitical parallels. You won't accept anything that grains against the blinders you've installed on yourself. There is no point in conversing with a fanatic. @don@liberdon.com @rbe_expert@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #ATgU86BN0C7fct6IhE by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T16:39:18Z
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@adiz @don @rbe_expert At what point you were "discussing"? You resoned from the position of the invisible purple unicorn.... Putler is a dictator and terrorist. You don't agree? Fine - you can d go to Muhosransk to grow turnips in a comune 🤡 I am not going to accept the point of view of murderers and terrorists. I know too well the likes of you FROM EXPERIENCE in real life!
(DIR) Post #ATgU86malntfUKW1iK by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T16:59:01Z
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@extrn @adiz @don Why are you so obsessed with only one country's evils and not the entire capitalist system's evils?
(DIR) Post #ATgU87PaQp5ZRGlAUi by extrn@qoto.org
2023-03-16T17:41:44Z
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@rbe_expert @adiz @don because from the point of view of the individual ("worker") it matters very much on which side of the border they'll happen to end. I'm not going to accept any concessions to terrorists and murderers. For you, it seems, the individual happiness has no meaning and these struggles are just a meaningless distraction from the grand fight against capitalism... It all very conveniently coincides with positions of dictators and terrorists: "it all does not matter, as long as there is capitalist oppression"... It is a stupid, fanatical point. Not all evils are equal... some are more equal (if you allow me the reference).
(DIR) Post #ATgU87wYSFSb5WBUsi by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T19:14:00Z
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@extrn @adiz @don You seem unaware of how many people die every year under so-called "enlightened", "peaceful", "relaxed" Western capitalism. Let me help you understand the brutality:https://youtu.be/ClLKm8Q8Pns
(DIR) Post #ATgU88WiHoNqtf6NF2 by don@liberdon.com
2023-03-16T20:29:02Z
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@rbe_expert @extrn @adiz Stalin was annihilating more people per week, than capitalists all over the history
(DIR) Post #ATgU8Bt9mp7RK8cq8m by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T19:15:16Z
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@extrn @adiz @don This is not a model that anyone should aspire to. It's being papered over by propaganda that refuses to recognize social murder as murder. We need socialism.
(DIR) Post #ATgcmgwSY93Mqmzeqm by rbe_expert@mastodon.social
2023-03-16T22:06:05Z
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@don @extrn @adiz Capitalism murders 100 million every 5 years