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(DIR) Post #ATVn3IbSFldkyI7we0 by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T16:39:24.175597Z
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CEO of Y Combinator Garry Tan: “This is an *extinction level event* for startups and will set startups and innovation back by 10 years or more.“
(DIR) Post #ATVnT7WA5hh07UxpAW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T16:44:04.170393Z
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@11112011 I cannot wait for SF startups to go extinct. They are all based on ad revenue and selling data. It is a city full of sociopaths writing checks to 20-year-old nerds that don't understand they're being put into a meat grinder, and before they're completely ground up, the sociopaths tell the nerds "KPIs" and "You have to put a shit-ton of tracking in this stupid webapp you made, it only makes money if it's a big-data play."
(DIR) Post #ATVniZbxvDYtav2zDc by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2023-03-11T16:46:51.529237Z
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@11112011 >set innovation back 10 yearsWelp that’s it, how will we survive without 10 years of new money losing grift operations like Uber and Grub Hub? Stupid bank went under because no one wanted to buy their Thernos 2.0 bonds.
(DIR) Post #ATVnk8kUlb1KrSmfTs by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T16:47:08.744858Z
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@p dont know man, but looks someone gon buy itimagem.png
(DIR) Post #ATVnn7dpLCbuIM5SGu by Komnene@cawfee.club
2023-03-11T16:47:39.775781Z
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@11112011 Inshallah
(DIR) Post #ATVo8g6kOHZVGvtPpg by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T16:50:48Z
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@EvilSandmich @11112011 All young innovators have now is cheap computers, the knowledge internet, free 3d modeling software and 3d cheap printers.Rome has fallen...
(DIR) Post #ATVoCDWAd529lCTJMe by guy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T16:52:12Z
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@11112011 On the positive side California real estate is going to be more affordable in the next 2-4 years.
(DIR) Post #ATVoQvIud8K5cBHbJg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T16:54:52.653542Z
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@11112011 The Paul Grahambot is gonna run outta batteries.grahambot.jpg
(DIR) Post #ATVonIv9VK2hEQqDz6 by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2023-03-11T16:58:54.866414Z
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@11112011 thank fuck for that
(DIR) Post #ATVovnLwF60bvpQ2lM by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2023-03-11T17:00:24.216591Z
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@p @11112011 its also a really convenient way of shutting out competition. very mob-like in that regard.
(DIR) Post #ATVpjtnIZHQQO86kd6 by nobullyplz@poa.st
2023-03-11T17:09:30.400312Z
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@11112011 @p Ah yes let me pull out my wallet so I can buy a bank that'll be scrutinized up the ass for the next decade. The feds can deal with that red hot potato :pepe_fbi:
(DIR) Post #ATVprKOm3Gj4vZBAuG by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T17:10:51.271398Z
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@nobullyplz @p heard jamie has a few trillions on hand dont know if true
(DIR) Post #ATVqKYxUzrA4TzMUbI by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T17:16:08.291915Z
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@Nudhul @11112011 Yeah, "user acquisition cost" is maybe the most pernicious metric. But the reason they say these things is because "This business makes enough money to support its employees and reward its founders" is not an exit event. If you fund 100 startups and tell them all to produce a moonshot immediately, one of them will IPO and you'll turn a profit, but 99 of them got a bad deal: their companies were destroyed by overreaching, but might have been viable businesses if they went for modest growth.
(DIR) Post #ATVqSlYG3oPTr6T1QO by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T17:17:37.251377Z
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@nobullyplz @11112011 > bank> scrutinyHSBC got away with handling money for cartels and ISIS. There's no scrutiny, even after fuckups.
(DIR) Post #ATVqroJOw0I7ekSaNU by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2023-03-11T17:22:06.265592Z
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On the upside, even though the banking system continued to fund ISIS, at least we made sure Dick Masterson wasn't allowed to create a patreon alternative because he has some friends leftists don't like.
(DIR) Post #ATVr72tWzy6HEAclkm by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T17:24:54.027022Z
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@sj_zero @nobullyplz @11112011 :bidenshades: victoly
(DIR) Post #ATVrB1waTWJ9RAxCJE by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2023-03-11T17:25:35.517930Z
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JPM wins! Was my favorite headline.Even gets the Diamond/Epstein news out of the media cycle. I’m sure they’re all angling to be the management layer for CBDCs as a nationalized monopoly. You literally can do any criminal act you want just like other bureaucrats. “Only Bank of the US” is the title fight.
(DIR) Post #ATVrJF4fXaDATdeL4a by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T17:27:06.261001Z
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@thendrix @p @nobullyplz there can only be one
(DIR) Post #ATVvLnA6AsaMarf1CC by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2023-03-11T18:12:22.922886Z
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@guy @11112011 Wish I had the link but somebody took a peek at that VC money and it actually nothing to do with innovation and everything to do with the usual suspects routing no-work cash to their college buddies so that they could IPO the debt away and start again on something else. Like every other POZ scheme it relies on a co start stream of fresh cash that the Fed has tightened up. Hopefully now real innovation can shine through.
(DIR) Post #ATVvZNAvaZYC3GWZO4 by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T18:14:50.340893Z
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@EvilSandmich @guy lot unpack but heres a link https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/719739/000110465906019224/a06-2370_210k.htm#:~:text=Silicon%20Valley%20Bank%2C%20as%20a,California%20Department%20of%20Financial%20Institutions
(DIR) Post #ATWX0sg6GbxHsX5KNs by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T01:14:23.822106Z
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@p @11112011 I'm of the controversial opinion that targeted advertising and analytics aren't bad in theory and could even benefit consumers in some ways, but maybe collecting mic audio and camera footage and exact gps coordinates is pushing things a *bit* too far.
(DIR) Post #ATWYgwBhhxJ4seU9lg by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T01:33:12.171989Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @p @11112011 that's mainstream turn-of-century opinion among techies. "It's not ads that are bad. It's seeing ads that don't interest you that's bad."20 years of big data ads later and 30% of my vacation time with family is quietly fuming about having to reach for the remote to skip the ads that I see on their smart TVs.
(DIR) Post #ATXM44Xth8xLDUWkoi by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T10:46:25.800013Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @11112011 > I'm of the controversial opinion that targeted advertising and analytics aren't bad in theoryAnything could be made to be not so bad in theory.> maybe collecting mic audio and camera footage and exact gps coordinates is pushing things a *bit* too far.People pay for Amazon Ring to have *just* the creepy surveillance bits mounted on their front door.
(DIR) Post #ATXf5ibc8XFUsYlRi4 by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T14:19:37.375806Z
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@apropos @11112011 @p Well I guess there's always the nuclear option of router based adblock like pihole or Blocky.https://pi-hole.net/https://github.com/0xERR0R/blocky
(DIR) Post #ATXgAZBMhS8f3TMVlY by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T14:31:42.247663Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos @11112011 > the nuclear option of router based adblockIs this the "nuclear" option? I thought that was the first line.
(DIR) Post #ATXvCjXIfrrt3g75m4 by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T17:20:10.250056Z
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@p @11112011 @apropos Would the real nuclear option be going back to bbs then?
(DIR) Post #ATXvqzyYyGktd246ng by LongaManus@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T17:27:26.881955Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @p @11112011 @apropos BBS were too centralized, a distributed, decentralized, system like the fediverse is a much more desirable solution. There are two main problem for it to become popular though:1) it must be significantly easier for normies to access it2) businesses must be able to invest in ads to pump their shit outif these two conditions aren't met, it will forever remain a niche media for those with enough skills to access it.
(DIR) Post #ATY0TYzxbdiJ4OMb9k by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T18:19:14.258203Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @11112011 @apropos The nuclear option is preventing the ads and tracking from getting out of their own network rather than just preventing them from entering yours.
(DIR) Post #ATY0eSXdx6jKEKJWs4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T18:21:12.418245Z
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@LongaManus @ScatmansWorldFSE @11112011 @apropos 1 is solved (unless the Gab boomers were not normie-level), 2 is not necessary nor desirable.
(DIR) Post #ATY1tpIxhYHP7vL2Tg by LongaManus@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T18:35:11.353448Z
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@p @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos 1) sadly, 'Gab boomers' are a large portion of the userbase and they would consider Pleroma way too complicated.2) we agree on the 'not desirable', but unfortunately it IS necessary IF we want the success of the system. Think of it as the 'game industry' for computers...
(DIR) Post #ATY3JE9QYpWnNbYRSi by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T18:50:59.089708Z
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@p @11112011 @apropos I'm still confused what you mean, are you suggesting we need to stop advertising deals entirely? People still need a way to make their business known and many companies are all too happy to take their money to give exposure. Or do you want to completely stop any form of ad tracking/analytics? The only thing I can think of for that is an outright ban.
(DIR) Post #ATY4BmrJjYA2f66FPc by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:00:50.711884Z
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@LongaManus @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos That is what I'm saying: Gab federated a while. You can get their old code: it's AGPL, they are obliged to release it. It's just Mastodon with a different FE (which was forked to produce Soapbox), the code kinda sucks, but it did federate. Whatever problem you think the UI has, that's a solution: clearly it can be used by boomers.I don't know what you mean by "success"; it looks circular to me, but maybe not, so how would you define success for this network? If it's adoption, according to http://demo.fedilist.com/ , there are 9.7m people here, and there are 60+ new servers created every day, adoption is on the way up, it's succeeding by that metric. I can talk to people I want to talk to, so purely from my perspective, it's already a success.
(DIR) Post #ATY5tEkI1lIxYb5xA0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:19:54.165152Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @11112011 @apropos > are you suggesting we need toYou asked what would be the nuclear option, I said that'd be the nuclear option. I'm not suggesting a course of action, let alone a specific plan. There are a lot of ways you might do it; I don't think you could ban advertising, but an attempt at doing so would probably count as a nuclear option, if the goal is to make sure that adtech is nuked. Actually blowing up their datacenters would also count. Things like that.So what I am saying is that "not letting their electrons onto my copper" would not be anything approaching the "nuclear option".
(DIR) Post #ATY6FFv8L82PZVfO4W by LongaManus@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:23:52.928564Z
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@p @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos 1) didn't know about that, interesting knowledge, thank you for sharing2) the metric to define 'success' vary depending on context and time. In this case, I would like to see Facebook, Twitter, and ALL mainstream garbage go down the sink and be replaced by a decentralized, censor resistant alternative; in order for this to be even theoretically possible, a driving power is required, and that is -usually- money, lots of money. Who holds the money? businesses. They are the ones most suited to pour that money into the new engine to drive the (much welcome) change. What do they want in exchange? to achieve their goal, aka, 'to sell their shit'. I am okay with that, as long as no Orwellian tracking is at work there.
(DIR) Post #ATY8UOk61QDnBVqt60 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:49:01.726227Z
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@LongaManus @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos > 1) didn't know about that, interesting knowledge, thank you for sharingFSE was the first instance they blocked. It was great.> In this case, I would like to see Facebook, Twitter, and ALL mainstream garbage go down the sink and be replaced by a decentralized, censor resistant alternativeThat would be great, yes.> a driving power is required, and that is -usually- moneyThat's backwards. Businesses put that money into Twitter because there are people there, which gives Twitter ad inventory: if there aren't people, then businesses won't pay for ads.Case in point, Facebook got sued because a lot of sites shifted all of their advertising dollars to Facebook on the basis of misleading metrics Facebook presented (they counted subsecond-duration autoplays as "views", so someone scrolling past an ad was counted as a view, which inflated the metrics significantly). Because the metrics were fraudulent, paying Facebook for placement didn't turn into traffic for those sites, and their own numbers tanked. A lot of sites folded, or like Cracked did this massive layoff because they thought they were getting ten times the engagement from Facebook that they were getting from Youtube.
(DIR) Post #ATY8kmz7envl0KhEZc by xue@collapsitarian.io
2023-03-12T19:51:59.109825Z
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@p @11112011 sounds like you have experienced some of it
(DIR) Post #ATY8w3CNiNHATaGg9A by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:54:01.578387Z
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@xue @p of course he did gary tan funded fse
(DIR) Post #ATY9Ac2gxn4Wb1gBua by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:56:39.483358Z
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@xue @11112011 I've seen VC ruin a lot of cool ideas in my time.
(DIR) Post #ATY9FaqIqrlSK5GA08 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T19:57:33.490493Z
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@11112011 @xuenew_funding.mp4
(DIR) Post #ATY9Ti56jcW4pNuq3c by LongaManus@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T20:00:06.566714Z
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@p @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos it's like a coin, there are two sides of the story. I know in-depth how corrupted their metrics are, but still businesses are the driving force: consumers are not relevant in the grand scheme of things. Of course, there are those like you and me who care more about the efficiency and convenience of a communication tool (even IRC was good, by that time standards) but, unless the entire civilization changes wealth distribution system, there is no escaping the money circuit (businesses > consumers). There are countless real life examples, think for one to the Linux/Copyleft movement, or even most GNU projects have business entities to collect payments and raise funds in some way, otherwise they simple wither and die.Just to further clarify, as extreme simplification my entire point is: we would greatly benefit from involving businesses in the decentralized social system.The first one that comes to mind, is that we would be able to 'pull out' of the dumb tiktok/facedumb inferno more normies that would start (maybe) embracing our views.Anything is better than those zombification factories.
(DIR) Post #ATYAmDu3GFpcgh8Ut6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T20:14:39.617361Z
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@LongaManus @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos > even IRC was good, by that time standardsI still use IRC. I have one set up on this house's LAN. It's like a text-based intercom.> or even most GNU projects have business entities to collect payments and raise funds in some way, otherwise they simple wither and die.FSE's still kicking since September 2018; GNU projects don't have much recurring overhead, but fedi instances have server bills (and in the case of :chad: instances like FSE, also hardware), so there is something to that, but I think it's negligible for the most part, and the stuff I am working on as we speak should actually make it much easier.> we would greatly benefit from involving businesses in the decentralized social system.Quite possibly, but I don't think it could be done without changing the character of the place. No one's making any money here, so it's like a pure communication tool. Engagement-farmers eventually just wander off: you *can't* measure impressions if you can't run JavaScript on other people's servers and lock down clients. Twitter took off long before they could generate cash, because it was small and fun and people liked it. I don't know when Twitter hit 10m users, but fedi is at 9.7m and it was under 6m just a few months ago. Email and IRC didn't need businesses to get involved, they just needed to be useful.
(DIR) Post #ATYC2KwIy4GB68RBHE by LongaManus@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T20:28:46.648423Z
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@p @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos that's absolutely good (FSE kicking) but I am trying to look at the overall picture (the entire federated system). 50% of the masses are 'change-hesitant' (lmao, let's use their language poison against themselves) and will only move to the next shiny object if 'the majority' does so. For that to happen, you need to funnel everything through the usual marketing machine. The big picture is much more important than just my personal enjoyment of a specific tool.If 'the masses' joined a TRUE free speech platform, maybe their indoctrination could be reverse-engineered and they would join our ranks.I enjoyed this exchange.
(DIR) Post #ATYCfZa6Sn99nplIxM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-12T20:35:52.107433Z
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@LongaManus @11112011 @ScatmansWorldFSE @apropos > For that to happen, you need to funnel everything through the usual marketing machine.I don't think so. Look at Twitter's adoption, Github's, etc. I started using Github because my friends were using it to share code, I started using Twitter because my coworkers were making jokes there.> The big picture is much more important than just my personal enjoyment of a specific tool.Well, the personal reasons have floated the place so far and they establish a floor: people will stick around as long as they want to. What's the floor for IRC? We don't really know, but if it is useful or fun, then you'll use it. The adoption here is driven by Twitter/Facebook/etc. becoming increasingly hostile, and also because this place is where the party is.> I enjoyed this exchange.:nixonsmug2: