Post ATRJyPdB1RaG16PW8O by white_male@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #ATQ2AMvitghomYg2wS by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-08T22:00:28.882319Z
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I still want someone to answer the following: What would be the defining set of characteristics that would make a photo or video real? Because if we are able to discern what is fake we should be able to put a list of points something needs to have to be real. This is one thing no debunker can do. Give me the list of points that would convince you that something isn't fake. You can't. :trollface:
(DIR) Post #ATQ3DvUewnPQnmHKca by wishgranter14@poa.st
2023-03-08T22:12:19.906909Z
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@moomin you can't prove a negative, though
(DIR) Post #ATQ3P7hPuHybqJaJrE by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-08T22:04:08.021298Z
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@moomin It would be nice if there were no cuts and splices, especially between when an object is completely animated and when object is completely still, despite circumstances.This one is good though.
(DIR) Post #ATQ4hPnvQp1VA2uo7c by Elliptica@poa.st
2023-03-08T22:28:52.046318Z
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@moomin No obvious signs of digital manipulation. The camera should not be framed perfectly, nor should it be framed so imperfectly that it would be unreasonable for someone to have noticed it. The camera should not be overly zoomed in to make it easy to confused the viewer or hide things from them. If it's a longer video, the video should not build in tension leading up to a big final encounter. If possible, additional and credible eyewitnesses who can confirm the authenticity of the photo or video.Obviously, the footage or image should not imply that the camera man died. A reasonable explanation for why someone was taking that picture or video in the first place. If there are people, they should act and react like they are genuinely scared or confused (meaning a delayed reaction to whatever they see, a tendency to freeze up, voice pitch raising naturally, nervous laughter, no overused of curse words).This is probably one of the best "ghost videos" out there as a result. I still think it's probably fake (or possibly they just captured some pissed off homeless guy that scared the shit out of them), but so much of their reaction seems authentic, as well as the fact that it's preceded by 23 minuets of nothing.youtu.be/14l_v8ClMOk?t=1303
(DIR) Post #ATQ96OA54kgr7fRTIO by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-08T23:18:11.865275Z
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@wishgranter14 there is no negative. i'm not pointing to any specific image or video. :trollface: >inb4 onus is on you, not an argument etc etc.i think all anecdotal fallacies are based and very effective at bullying jews. all fallacies are, are a slander of methods used to bully jews and erode jewish occupation authority. calling something a fallacy is like a jew saying stop bullying me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacieslogic, reason, rationality and empiricism are nothing but memes for universalist kikeademic cuckolds. its not that i don't understand how they work, i understand fully, i just disregard it. I rebel against the aristotlean first principles. aristotle was probably made up by jews to keep Europeans in a logic trap. i'm not trying to prove something, I don't think any photo or video is real. I want to know the set of requirements in a photo or video for acknowledging authenticity before any item is even approached. if you can develop a set of attributes for determining authenticity, what would that look like? don't fall for the logic trap here. i already know the empirical logic answers that are usually given. this is not what I'm after. i'm after the algorithm that would be used to determine authenticity in something for use in an AI. If you look deeply into this you will realize that no one will affix themselves to this or even attempt it. I wonder why :trollface:
(DIR) Post #ATQAnGg8s9i8JyRsyO by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-08T23:37:09.102084Z
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@Elliptica very good points. if a highly advanced video faking AI was to integrate all of those requirements into a video, and going even further, be able to fool advanced video authentication and forensic techniques, does the video become real then? we can be certain that this technology will exist at some point in the future. at what point does it become real? if it is indistinguishable from a real video? do you see where I am going with this?
(DIR) Post #ATQAxJiUQslSdfL3cu by wishgranter14@poa.st
2023-03-08T23:38:58.258552Z
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@moomin I got caught up with the, "prove it is not fake." And I do agree with the logical fallacy thing, because every argument is fallable.There was a video showing biden talking about weather balloons and he stepped behind the curtain and said something about people believing that bullshit. It was a doctored video apparently. I never saw concrete proof that it was, though. I assume it's faked because a) the poster deleted the video a day later b) I assume there is a real video out there somewhere where there is just silence where the fake audio was overlayed.Right there are two criteria that would prove a video to be real or fake. That is the original source video, and the reliability of the messenger. There are also technical things, like diction. In longer audio, you can tell it's doctored because nobody ever talks without coughing, breathing, snorting, swallowing, etc, for long.Your video depicting a yeti is fake, because there is no such thing as yeti's. That is, if something is depicting something that does not exist, it is fake. Although, I cannot tell if it is some sort of CG or a man in a costume.
(DIR) Post #ATQC52nbJcVIRNygHA by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-08T23:51:34.180653Z
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@wishgranter14 And if sometime in the future you go climb the himalayas and you personally observe a yeti along with guiding sherpas who have seen it multiple times, and are used to it, even though the whole world agrees it does not exist, would you say that the consensus does not know? how could they? they have never been to the himalayas. Well I have, and I have seen it personally. So while this video is cg (you can see that the movement is not realistic when it starts tumbling), the yeti itself exists for me. Or the video is real and people refuse to accept it because they are afraid of what this would mean. :trollface: If both of us went to the himalayas and saw a yeti together with sherpas as witnesses (they all strongly believe it exists) and took a clear video of it, i can guarantee you it would be called a fake video.
(DIR) Post #ATQCZ1MbDWUSfydrma by chainsaw_appreciator@poa.st
2023-03-08T23:56:25.897577Z
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@moomin Just a big ol' goofball. Having a silly little tumble through the snow.
(DIR) Post #ATQCtSKGgISG5eIOYK by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-09T00:00:40.878459Z
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@chainsaw_appreciator what do you think the yeti found in that backpack that caused him to have such a tumble? i would imagine it was the camper's old stinky socks 🧦 that made rolling down the hill preferable to try get away
(DIR) Post #ATQDFfWyGZnzPnpU1o by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-09T00:04:41.109990Z
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Ohhh, it's a backpack, I thought he was ripping a deer in half.I think the best thing to do would be train an AI to recognise deepfakes. That said there are certain tells, like the way AI faked video has certain objects "lag" slightly while moving. It doesn't fully understand the 3D structure of what it's animating.
(DIR) Post #ATQF1kKtnsRcAlfiG8 by wishgranter14@poa.st
2023-03-09T00:24:35.486068Z
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@moomin Convincing people something exists they are certain does not exist, requires more evidence than something that is easily doctored. There is also the factor that you and I are not a trusted authority.
(DIR) Post #ATQRajctdJ4ZYaXY7E by Elliptica@poa.st
2023-03-09T02:45:22.530694Z
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@moomin Video evidence would, in my opinion, become nearly useless, and it almost already is. We'd have to weigh some other form of evidence then to reach a conclusion on it. It becomes a similar problem to determining what was and wasn't real for things that happened 200+ years ago, or in the absence of a camera. There are a few credible paranormal events (Zamora Incident, Dover Demon) that I think is hard to pass judgment on because of independent eye witnesses. Religions, or the existence of things like ghosts, elves, dragons, and certain historical events present similar problems.
(DIR) Post #ATR4CWpbRvph8UvqaW by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-09T09:57:59.648284Z
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@wishgranter14 ^as taught in jewish occupation schools, and believed in jewish occupied society. i got and drank this cool aid too.if the evidence existed, id destroy it. im not interested in proving anything. im already past playing that game. im interested in breaking your trust in the idea that empirical truths can be ascertained and to put you on the path where you can awaken to this rut you are trapped in and gain trust in yourself and your own people outside of universalist propaganda. right now you trust the empirical determination method more than yourself and your own people. nothing is certain. and you cannot ascertain what is real and what isn't. pretending that you can is a bluff. if you have certainty in anything but your Race then you are under illusion. in moominvalley there are no trusted authorities, because all trusted authorities within the jewish occupation are jewish. evidence is explicitly anecdotal, empirical evidence is bullied, because I only trust firsthand opinions of other awakened Aryans. oral tradition > jewish written sources.
(DIR) Post #ATR4f1K9fhb7oeoBOK by RMIV@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:03:08.627829Z
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@moomin @wishgranter14 based.
(DIR) Post #ATR7LsQunsp6bMX9fs by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:33:17.855750Z
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@RMIV @wishgranter14 belief in the paranormal, cryptids, bigfoot, folklore and legends is not what I'm trying to prove, rather that it is a test of character to think that there is much more in the world than the boring sterility and nihilism that science is trying to convince us of. anyone who has seen things outside of "ordinary reality" tends to develop a complete distrust of jewish authority and starts to loathe this immense jewish occupation denial that exists for this true world of ours that isn't allowed to exist. Well let me tell you that according to our enemy European Aestheticism and Beauty does not exist either, nor does it hold value for our enemy, and yet it does endlessly. i for one trust all those legends, superstitions and folklore of our Ancestors, far more than any tenured university jew's debunking. There is much wonder in the world and we do not know about all of it and have not upturned every rock. this reemergence of wonder in Nature is crucial to Racial awakening. The way we view ourselves and our own people hinges upon this idea.
(DIR) Post #ATR7RC2XKjP2rJfLUW by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:08:49.509320Z
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@moomin @wishgranter14 >prove it is not fakeThe bar for passing such argument will always be different on both sides and self serving.It's not uniquely jewish btw, many philosophies take different stands on the spectrum between "prove it's real" vs "prove it's not real".I'd say it pays to know some of those philosophies and be able to maneuver between one and the other as needed in different contexts.And yeah, i get that propagandized mind at large won't budge to reasoning (or sophistry, lol), but that's how you pull the fence sitters towards your understanding. It's a hard days work.
(DIR) Post #ATR8jSkY2rGBqmWkvw by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:35:16.802296Z
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@moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14
(DIR) Post #ATR8nyPIHod7Bwjjg8 by moomin@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:49:34.889329Z
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@white_male @RMIV @wishgranter14 great webm
(DIR) Post #ATR9n75Ae64xlLTh8S by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-09T10:54:00.476227Z
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@moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 We're all carrying the olympian torch, the promethean fire, into the future.It's a skill issue unfortunately, i hope we can make it before our time is due. ;]
(DIR) Post #ATREuC2l6ABQwmXrEG by Deplorable_Degenerate@poa.st
2023-03-09T11:57:56.106884Z
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@moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 I remember a video of some people at some Sasquatch convention I don't know, stuff fascinates me but it isn't something I care enough about to remember names.This French Canadian guy started showing pictures of Michelle Obama and Serena Williams alongside his bigfoot pictures or something. In a thick French accent "And here we see the female sasquatch, no?"This was like 2015, right when that sort of shit would get you in trouble. And it did, but like only one woman got real offended. Lots of people laughed. Even that one guy from that AMC bigfoot hunting show, Bobo, just said "He is being racist but he just thinks it is funny. Let it go, it is harmless"I am certain he had to back pedal on that later... but it really sheds some light on the type of people who are into these things.
(DIR) Post #ATRF7NXre9VoNqNjdo by Deplorable_Degenerate@poa.st
2023-03-09T12:00:19.300047Z
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@white_male @moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 So... I should believe the races can get along in perfect harmony? 🤔
(DIR) Post #ATRFCTNrMlGrwK8Cv2 by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-09T12:00:58.895821Z
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 Exactly, when there's like three or four left.
(DIR) Post #ATRFKOYpBMmlIW2Og4 by Deplorable_Degenerate@poa.st
2023-03-09T12:02:40.416598Z
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@white_male @moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 Honestly I sometimes wonder if taking out just one specific one would fix 90% of the problems, to the point of being bareable.You'll never guess which one I am thinking of.
(DIR) Post #ATRJyPdB1RaG16PW8O by white_male@poa.st
2023-03-09T12:03:55.233568Z
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @moomin @RMIV @wishgranter14 We don't have to go the full length, modern and humanitarian slavery would be just fine. ;]But yes, probably would.
(DIR) Post #ATSEUX64OUoZs7omDw by Eiregoat@eveningzoo.club
2023-03-09T12:15:38.315586Z
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I reject the concept that "science" and "the paranormal" are in conflict somehow, it's a very marxist idea.The maxist concept of reality is that everything is logical and known and reality must conform to whatever the current accepted theories are. Anyone stepping outside of that region is a wrongthinker and crazy/dangerous.The actual scientific method is a process that acknowledges our theories about reality are just that, theories. They're limited in scope and subject to constant change and competition as new discoveries are made. They certainly have no right to declare themselves as objective reality.A great example of this is the global warming movement. That was an unproven theory back in the 1990s, but it's proponents declared it should be treated with the same weight as reality. Then when reality failed to conform to the theory they started fudging the figures and insisting even harder that everyone pretend it was real.By contrast, theologians are often much more willing to update their beliefs and doctrines to account for physical discoveries. This is because theology is and was a scientific field.