Post ATREa09BcRPOG9vJQW by ORIOliver@newsie.social
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(DIR) Post #ATPYCmCutGrl8Hx2Uy by therightarticle@mas.to
2023-03-07T21:52:46Z
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Labour takes on a new ‘funny tinge’ after re-admitting Angela Smith https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2023/03/07/labour-takes-on-a-new-funny-tinge-after-re-admitting-angela-smith/
(DIR) Post #ATPYCnVO45Ed9rbIvY by Gillinger@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-07T22:57:15Z
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@therightarticle He doesn't want lefties, he doesn't want the wrong sort of Jew, but he's alright with racists.#StarmerOut #notmylabourparty #socialism
(DIR) Post #ATPYCnx2PHLwXcXO1g by ORIOliver@newsie.social
2023-03-08T07:13:44Z
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@Gillinger @therightarticle Important not to create drama out of every misstep, unfortunate phrase, misunderstanding. Starmer wants to get the Tories out. He's got a good chance. Let's support that excellent aim, and improve policies once he's in! #GTTO #GetTheToriesOut #KeirStarmer
(DIR) Post #ATPYCpysrO1ApvPtBI by therightarticle@mas.to
2023-03-08T16:11:45Z
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@ORIOliver @Gillinger After a whole tsunami of missteps that becomes a difficult ask and an impossible one for many excellent people and activists who are now former Labour supporters and members including those who chose to leave and those expelled often on the most ridiculous and trumped up grounds.
(DIR) Post #ATPYCqSJ5zYOJBBO2i by Gillinger@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T16:21:33Z
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@therightarticle @ORIOliver Another misstep? #Labour respond to Lineker's tweet:A spokesman for Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said comparisons with Germany in the 1930s "aren't always the best way to make" an argument.I would argue that #Starmer would earn a lot more respect if he actually backed him and agreed that that is exactly the argument.
(DIR) Post #ATPYEb0PVd0MyDy9C4 by johnelalamo@mcr.wtf
2023-03-08T16:25:05Z
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@Gillinger @therightarticle @ORIOliver 👏👏👏
(DIR) Post #ATPYQj2tRTofNgukT2 by Reddog@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T09:18:42Z
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@Gillinger @therightarticle Starmer’s ‘Nu-New-Labour’ is now a ‘safe pair of hands’ for the establishment. If you think Starmer will suddenly open the doors of Labour to expelled socialists, left- wingers, anyone supportive of workers, or refugees, or Palestinian rights, or women, or, or……Wake up, Labour is in the pockets of the same class as the Tories, Sir Keir will see to that.
(DIR) Post #ATPYQjngdVFLioo7P6 by isaacmottistone@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T10:49:20Z
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@Reddog @Gillinger @therightarticle So what is the alternative? Nobody has had the courage to form a new political party that embraces socialist ideals. Therefore to reject Keir Starmer’s Labour is to embrace the Tories. Sorry. I am not going to do it.
(DIR) Post #ATPYQkZBmtFC6923Rg by Reddog@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T11:55:23Z
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@isaacmottistone @Gillinger @therightarticle As is your right. I will vote for the candidate who best represents my politics. If there is none, then I exercise my right not vote. Voting for lease worst is not my thing.
(DIR) Post #ATPYQm9jsU4h1n8l3Q by therightarticle@mas.to
2023-03-08T16:19:26Z
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@Reddog @isaacmottistone @Gillinger Same here. There are two flaws in that view. First it was those on the right of the party itself that enabled a Tory victory in 2017. Second, it is wrong to imply that the right and only course is to vote Labour because that is what you are telling me I should do. I will make my own mind up about how I vote.
(DIR) Post #ATPYQmymoguLa71Wca by Gillinger@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T16:23:43Z
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@therightarticle @Reddog @isaacmottistone Agreed, 100%. Otherwise, we're just sleepwalking towards another 5 years of misery and without PR it'll go on forever.
(DIR) Post #ATPlu3vWBWDrwcmerg by jackLondon@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T18:05:26Z
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@Gillinger @therightarticle @ORIOliver Disputable - there are 6 million reasons why comparisons to 1930s Germany should be avoided.
(DIR) Post #ATPlu4c3dMFa4YgdAe by Gillinger@mastodonapp.uk
2023-03-08T18:54:42Z
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@jackLondon @therightarticle @ORIOliver This is how the Nazi Party operated -1. Demonise a section of society by blaming them for the ills of the country (they're coming over here, taking our jobs. They're all criminals).2. Encourage the right wing press to vilify them and whip up ill feeling (Mail, Express).3 Refuse to condemn attacks on them (Liverpool asylum hotel).4. Pass laws to restrict their movement (Stop the boats)Spot the difference.
(DIR) Post #ATREZwA6R5lTtqJzIe by CableSt@mastodon.social
2023-03-08T07:22:26Z
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@ORIOliver @Gillinger @therightarticle Can we trust Starmer to save our NHS from privatisation?
(DIR) Post #ATREZwmk7QfnpgOqWm by ORIOliver@newsie.social
2023-03-08T07:24:48Z
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@CableSt @Gillinger @therightarticle More likely than the Tories, and his mum was a nurse. Angela Rayner will keep him on his toes. Give him a chance!
(DIR) Post #ATREZxNbuMADg1eHzc by CableSt@mastodon.social
2023-03-08T09:37:42Z
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@ORIOliver @Gillinger @therightarticle You're assuming I haven't? He's a neo-lib. Look at his record, esp on private firms in the NHS.
(DIR) Post #ATREZy2jRT3bjYt85Y by ORIOliver@newsie.social
2023-03-08T09:45:10Z
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@CableSt @Gillinger @therightarticle OK, fair enough if that's how you see it ... But I'd hate the Tories to get back in ... I'll just keep chivvying for being as progressive as possible given the electorate and the media landscape.
(DIR) Post #ATREZyaPQFznQ0e1a4 by CableSt@mastodon.social
2023-03-09T10:27:08Z
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@ORIOliver @Gillinger @therightarticle I see Starmer is far too Tory to be trusted - do you not see his broken promises, & intolerance of socialists, esp Jewish socialists?
(DIR) Post #ATREZz4BdXoauMZnzk by ORIOliver@newsie.social
2023-03-09T10:54:33Z
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@CableSt @Gillinger @therightarticle Not really. But I'm not super well informed. I just broadly see someone who takes principled stance on many things, doesn't sink to personal abuse or cheap jibes. I dare say he gets stuff very wrong, but never as wrong as a Tory. He undoubtedly needs critics, but he's our best bet in my opinion. Each to their own! #GTTO #GetTheToriesOut
(DIR) Post #ATREZzXxqpdOOiVaPQ by therightarticle@mas.to
2023-03-09T11:24:14Z
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@ORIOliver @CableSt @Gillinger Interesting perspective. In my view and in the view of many others he is one of the most disingenuous, hypocritical unprincipled politicians in my lifetime.
(DIR) Post #ATREa09BcRPOG9vJQW by ORIOliver@newsie.social
2023-03-09T11:32:17Z
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@therightarticle @CableSt @Gillinger Wow. Also interesting!
(DIR) Post #ATREa0aTyxF7coh6yO by therightarticle@mas.to
2023-03-09T11:48:13Z
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@ORIOliver @CableSt @Gillinger Undermined Corbyn. Ditched popular manifesto and ten principles on which he was elected. Buried the Forde report. Expelled many good members and activists. Imposed candidates on CLPs. Abstained and supported several Tory policies. Adopted Union Jack as backdrop for all pronouncements. Opposed strikes. Took a right wing position on immigration and asylum. Refused to rule out further privatisation of the NHS. Not in favour of renationalisation of public services.