Post ATKJv2d4j21rhf2IvA by caekislove@gleasonator.com
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(DIR) Post #AT9Px8Y5TJ2bOwGlai by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-02-28T21:36:54.101506Z
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The problem with nostr is that it's simple yet oddly opinionated. Why even have "identities" and "follows" and "likes"? You could build a social media system on a simple json repeater that anyone could code in a day. If you're going to be minimalist, be minimalist. Don't graft on facebookisms for no reason. Usenet, BBSes and message forums thrived for decades without "followers" or "likes".Almost all of the things Nostr lists as "disadvantages" of ActivityPub are also true for nostr. There's no incentive to host a relay. There's no incentive to post on unpopular relays. Relay owners are still amateurs and/or dictators. When relays go down, messages and/or content are still lost forever. Most damning, just a day or so after Alex deploys an ActivityPub to nostr bridge, there's already serious talk by nostr developers about shared blocklists and relay blacklists for those who follow "problematic" people or share "problematic" content. Meet the new censors, same as the old censors.RT: https://mitra.social/objects/0186982f-b618-d6b8-29f8-f8926a8ff07a
(DIR) Post #ATBODsBjk2VFzUaUwS by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2023-03-01T20:26:56.998384Z
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@caekislove @silverpill >there's already serious talk by nostr developers about shared blocklists and relay blacklists for those who follow "problematic" people or share "problematic" content. Meet the new censors, same as the old censorsimagine my shock
(DIR) Post #ATBW6uFIUcxryhRSxk by RetardedServantOfChrist@urchan.org
2023-03-01T21:55:20.066062Z
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So it’s basically Twitter without the functionality and usernames that are retardedly long sequences of letters and numbers lmao
(DIR) Post #ATBWDAZEirSOKtkruS by 614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804@mostr.pub
2023-03-01T21:56:27.000Z
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No. Dumb.
(DIR) Post #ATBWOexI55kvlgU8Fk by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-01T21:58:32.111331Z
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@RetardedServantOfChrist @theorytoe @silverpill Also, since it's made by crypto fans, there will be an inevitable "nostrcoin" (that they premined the fuck out of) that will be integrated with everything to provide "incentives".
(DIR) Post #ATBWUuEiBCditmc0dU by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2023-03-01T21:59:40.415994Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @RetardedServantOfChrist friggin cryptobros always making literally middle school tier ideas
(DIR) Post #ATBWv9ZXmd2RzXs7UW by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-01T22:04:21.603602Z
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@caekislove @silverpill I am thinking about if eventually normie users are going to concentrate on a few relays which will start banning people and anybody that is trying not to be banned everywhere will end up running their own relay for themself. and the network will be centralized except where it's ad-hoc p2p basically the worst of everything
(DIR) Post #ATBXSLZMCRiUkvc1vE by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-01T22:10:23.382441Z
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@caekislove @silverpill I might be totally wrong it is going to be incredibly hard to predict
(DIR) Post #ATBXqxsbPjpkWWLwmW by 614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804@mostr.pub
2023-03-01T22:14:51.000Z
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Nostards aren’t crypto fans, they’re specifically Bitcoin maxis. If you mention another coin here you will be btfo’d.
(DIR) Post #ATBYOqe2orZ9vmhUHY by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-01T22:20:58.478833Z
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@Moon @silverpill Something like ActivityPub-style federation plus protocol-encouraged replication would be better for censorship-resistance, since censoring someone on the "big relays" would be far less effective if someone who posted to "some Russian relay" could have their messages propagated by medium-sized relays so people would end up seeing their stuff without having to configure their clients to connect to hundreds of IP address relays that may or may not ever host any messages.Over and over again in nostr's docs, they decry data replication, but I say it's a feature, not a bug. Usenet propagated posts across the network by just sending every fookin post to every fookkin server and because of that, many high quality Usenet archives exist today. People write those archives trying to get shit removed and it's like whack-a-mole. Now THAT's what I call "censorship resistance"!Can all this be implemented on top of nostr? I suppose. It would be easier if nostr was just a dumb json repeater and not some ersatz twitter clone, though.
(DIR) Post #ATBYRmRwsC21myROhE by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-01T22:21:29.855761Z
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@caekislove @silverpill > Over and over again in nostr's docs, they decry data replicationi have seen devs on there already walking this back lol
(DIR) Post #ATBYthpXdqQxZPnBIG by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-01T22:26:33.165118Z
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@mia @Moon @silverpill Right now, the only incentive to host a nostr relay is to snoop on and/or censor your users. Once people figure that out, they'll put E2E encryption in all the clients removing that incentive and also adding the possibility that the FBI will kick your door down at 3:00 AM because you've been "hosting" kiddy porn.
(DIR) Post #ATBZNsHBMvfIef6ezw by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-01T22:31:59.779106Z
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@caekislove @mia @silverpill I can't think of a single non-creepy motivation for running a relay other than the goodness of your heart or charging for usage which probably is only nominally profitable if at all
(DIR) Post #ATBZmeKUMKySdiSzOy by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-01T22:36:28.249472Z
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@Moon @mia @silverpill Yeah, me either. That's why I suspect the plan is to integrate some sort of new nostr cryptocoin to create "incentives".
(DIR) Post #ATBapK9puj7otuK6We by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-01T22:48:09.920065Z
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@614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804 @theorytoe @silverpill @RetardedServantOfChrist That's interesting. I suppose there also could be bitcoin integration into the nostr protocol, but would people give up the precious satoshis so that they can shitpost on a twitter clone? I made a reddit clone, back around 2014 that allowed you to reply to, upvote and boost posts using dogecoin, (which at that time were worth something like 1/500th of a penny each). I gave everyone who made an account 2,000 doge to get started. Yet, people were reluctant to engage other people's content because it "cost money".
(DIR) Post #ATBawZvXgL4bpt62im by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-03-01T22:48:44.162886Z
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@614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804 @caekislove @theorytoe @RetardedServantOfChrist Right, they are Bitcoin maxis. But the network is growing and people from other crypto communities are coming too. If this trend continues, Nostr will be flooded with all kinds of shitcoin opportunists.Expect drama of cosmic proportions.
(DIR) Post #ATBbdUlGlOyYGbkueG by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-03-01T22:55:08.087822Z
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@caekislove @theorytoe @RetardedServantOfChrist @614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804 Knowing Bitcoin maxis, I predict that they will re-invent Fediblock much quicker than people who live in Fediverse safe spaces.
(DIR) Post #ATBf9rLsbkIrSX0JG4 by 614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804@mostr.pub
2023-03-01T23:36:41.000Z
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They’re already so triggered by me they’re talking about it. But circumventing it without losing anything is so much easier on Nostr that I don’t think it will amount to much.
(DIR) Post #ATBlm424VfInW4L6rw by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-03-02T00:50:48.888945Z
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@silverpill @theorytoe @caekislove @614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804 @RetardedServantOfChrist Theoretically, it's entirely possible that the system can be self-sharding and easily customized at the relay level to just drop posts with a particular pubkey, refuse to connect to particular other relays, require explicit sync grants, and just block IPs from connecting to particular relays. Throw it together into an unofficial spec that everyone will pick up anyway, forcing it into an NIP, and viola, you have censorship.There's no guarantee of delivery, after all.
(DIR) Post #ATBm0LArZdBajcG7wO by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T00:53:24.616381Z
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@ShariVegas @silverpill @theorytoe @614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804 @RetardedServantOfChrist Damn, I guess there is some hazard when your official development plan being "something we will implement later will fix all this"!
(DIR) Post #ATBpbNarqCLIocm9HU by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T01:33:40.973323Z
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No bro it's okay because Nostr is NEW THING
(DIR) Post #ATBprrEBQhS5ME1SoS by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:36:42.749981Z
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Oh wow haha lets go use a worse version of fedi mainly centralized into 4-5 relays yeah that will show activitypub :chudsey: Whats that? I've been banned off the major relays and now I am cut off from the majority of the network? I'm sure it's fine :cope:
(DIR) Post #ATBq06Qane0Oogl5bE by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:38:11.630714Z
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Not to mention it looks to be built by and for cryptards (even if the bitcoin shit is optional)
(DIR) Post #ATBq5oXwCCDn5yuxCC by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T01:39:10.789021Z
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BRO SHUT THE FUCK UP IT'S DECENTRALIZED :reee:
(DIR) Post #ATBqFYEJiNPfO2NoTA by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:40:59.517393Z
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:soycry:
(DIR) Post #ATBqN8Xj6OCk2L4wyW by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T01:42:21.570025Z
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@matty @silverpill Thinking of using one of those slick nostr utility libraries up on NPM to make a dumb json archive/repeater that is like nostr but without the crypto bullshit. I'll call it "postr".
(DIR) Post #ATBqUt3CaOacIxUrg0 by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T01:43:42.981750Z
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:soyjak:
(DIR) Post #ATBqgzPSlk27VBgEV6 by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:45:56.915198Z
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Don't make me bust out the copypasta...
(DIR) Post #ATBqhn8rriT3kCIgZk by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:46:06.017306Z
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(DIR) Post #ATBqhvibyhoSLN5LOq by BigDuck@poa.st
2023-03-02T01:46:07.405124Z
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@kroner @caekislove @silverpill @matty Can somebody tell me if the 120 character users are ironic, because I don't get the joke and it isn't funny.
(DIR) Post #ATBqkPjJMrsQ08b4s4 by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T01:46:34.112180Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @Moon > It would be easier if nostr was just a dumb json repeaterThe worst part is that this IS what it's supposed to be. In NIP-01 (https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/01.md), it's basically just signed messages and relays passing those messages around.But, as with everything else, retards decide that "simple" is "bad" and ruin everything with a million new specs to make it just like the thing they all just fled from, because they're trying to make it appealing to the normies.Gemini web has it figured out.
(DIR) Post #ATBqmLWhxz65Xncht2 by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T01:46:55.160669Z
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That is just Alex Gleason's wonderful design. He made his bridge from Nostr set Nostr users @s to their entire public key
(DIR) Post #ATBqqP8IV5Ixt48lpA by BigDuck@poa.st
2023-03-02T01:47:39.315137Z
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@kroner @caekislove @silverpill @matty Not a code monkey but doesn't that just make you more prone to be doxxed lmao
(DIR) Post #ATBqrwz480xhAEYklM by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T01:47:48.801047Z
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I read this pasta in full every time. It makes me smile.
(DIR) Post #ATBqujQeyvEZzcnDea by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T01:48:23.009896Z
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(DIR) Post #ATBqvRuHc94dwEzUw4 by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-03-02T01:48:33Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @Matty More like impostr
(DIR) Post #ATBrCrrSMyWvMDyUTI by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T01:51:41.891836Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill is it not now?
(DIR) Post #ATBrRBQuOmvc72NpNQ by RacistReimu@poa.st
2023-03-02T01:54:18.409836Z
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@caekislove @silverpill i've seen references to Nostr here and there, what is it?
(DIR) Post #ATBrhGVJJRqiTP6v9k by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T01:57:12.083265Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill Oh, sure...It's just relays passing notes around.But there are also contact lists. And "petnames." And "OpenTimestamps attestation." And encrypted direct messages. And mapping Nostr keys to DNS-based internet identifiers. And rules for handling mentions. And event deletion procedures. And "e" and "p" tags (???). And "relay information documents."And about a hundred other bloated trash extensions to the original intent of the protocol. See for yourself...https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nipsAnd I guarantee it's about to be filled up with "moderation" extensions, most likely with support for relays informing one another of who the thought criminals are and blocking them automatically.
(DIR) Post #ATBrmSivJA45orxL4y by alex@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T01:58:02.001157Z
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@victor @Moon @caekislove @silverpill test
(DIR) Post #ATBroOoknk1yHhbgpM by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T01:58:29.844698Z
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@alex @caekislove @silverpill @Moon you passed, congrats
(DIR) Post #ATBrsOtcS3HPgbn4qG by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T01:59:02.808593Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill i don't mind side stuff, just if something broke the dumb relay model
(DIR) Post #ATBs9zydq2YBc7Wzdg by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:02:23.695862Z
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@victor @silverpill @Moon I like NIP-01, but even it has unnecessary cruft.Why use websockets when regular sockets have worked fine since the 1970s? So much for running nostr on any platform that doesn't support Electron-level abstraction!Why make users, keys and keysigning part of the protocol when user authentication is ultimately going to be implemented differently in every relay anyways because of spam? (these various implementations of core functionality will create shadow standards, of course)Why enforce a set schema on the One True Object Type (event)? Aren't they pissing away a key advantage of JSON for no good reason? A truly minimalist approach would be to query a relay like it were a json database. Oh, networked json databases already existed? shitshitshit
(DIR) Post #ATBsAqsn8WMXhKCZNY by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:02:33.003977Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill It's true, the underlying concept hasn't changed...And yet the community moves toward an increasingly bloated set of frontends as they tack on more and more "features" that end up marring the original beauty of the simple protocol.Before you know it, it's just Twitter again.
(DIR) Post #ATBsEVul2PoZp9rqSW by PunishedD@poa.st
2023-03-02T02:03:13.527035Z
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@alex @victor @caekislove @silverpill @Moon pong
(DIR) Post #ATBsPFUuPqrc5qtbdI by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
2023-03-02T02:05:09.186740Z
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Isn't it good design to implement features like that at the application level instead of bloating the base protocol layer?
(DIR) Post #ATBsZuqjWc4lExBrv6 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:07:03.668081Z
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@victor @Moon @silverpill Looking at all of the "built on nostr" apps being developed, i can't help but notice a lot of reinventing extremely basic shit that were solved computer network problems back when the Apollo Program was still in operation.Still, it's good to see people finally rediscovering the unlimited potential of low-level internet protocol! A general move away from using the World Wide Web for everything internet would be a stunning breath of fresh air!
(DIR) Post #ATBsceM7Iyb2xEAong by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:07:34.693138Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @Moon This is why I'm partial to the Gemini model. Not the protocol itself, though it is nice and simple, but the philosophy of the people developing it. They are not afraid to say NO to retarded extensions to the protocol, in favor of keeping it insanely lean but still providing value.If Gemini had a way for people to interact directly in realtime, I'd probably be on it...But something tells me they don't want that, and maybe for good reason.
(DIR) Post #ATBsfLUjszipKKUYvQ by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:08:01.411181Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill websockets so browser can do it, i get it> Why enforce a set schema on the One True Object Type (event)? Aren't they pissing away a key advantage of JSON for no good reason?already had arguments about this across three platforms, their stupid schema is to make signing json consistent easier instead of using a better serialization format or just signing the text representation like ap
(DIR) Post #ATBsja2TkkO1aqICtE by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T02:08:47.157655Z
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I should make a new protocol where you can send messages over the internet, sort of like a relay... I think I will call it Internet Relay Protocol or IRC for short!
(DIR) Post #ATBskRuBTnpyekpLSS by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:08:58.914229Z
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@Hoss @caekislove @silverpill @Moon In a way, I understand why they have all the protocol extensions...It's so that different people can develop different clients that will talk to one another properly.I guess my big problem is that they never seem to take a step back and ask, "Will adding this protocol extension ultimately make the protocol better in the long run, or will it contribute to needless complexity and get in the way of basic communication?"
(DIR) Post #ATBsmY7TLVi6Vc2nDc by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:09:21.291515Z
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@Hoss @victor @silverpill @Moon Probably because we already had TCP/IP it's just that people forgot how to use it
(DIR) Post #ATBsnjCHe3vz9frALw by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:09:33.383287Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill gemini isn't meant to be extensible at all and does one really simple job, nostr/ap is meant to be very extensible
(DIR) Post #ATBsuoz2WumT812nnU by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:10:50.084853Z
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@kroner @victor @caekislove @silverpill make sure that the messages are completely unstructured and truncate anything past 512 characters
(DIR) Post #ATBswjtUQK35vGMYAS by kroner@seal.cafe
2023-03-02T02:11:12.635639Z
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Sounds pretty based and simple pilled
(DIR) Post #ATBsyqHPeUQeJ6YUVM by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:11:35.255413Z
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@Moon @victor @silverpill You know what else is very extensible? TCP/IP, which is this very new messaging protocol just recently introduced!
(DIR) Post #ATBt8eN6mUFQGptcnI by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:13:19.788279Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill after setup websockets don't have much overhead i think and they are automatically multiplexed over one server connection i think theyre good
(DIR) Post #ATBtEuYXWLw0CeEETo by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:14:29.218791Z
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@victor @silverpill @Moon Back when I first learned about the Gemini protocol, I wanted to develop a bunch of extensions for it and release it as a node module as a sort of practical joke, but damn those nerds really thought ahead.
(DIR) Post #ATBtL4XhIwEquelxCa by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:15:34.923248Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @victor even if you don't use the browser, browser protocols have definitively won
(DIR) Post #ATBtOx4H2KtstBrMIa by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2023-03-02T02:16:18.354391Z
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@BigDuck @caekislove @silverpill @matty @kroner The public key functions as a username on their network, it's nothing hidden. You could make a new one easily if you want to post duck pictures that can't be tied to your main account.What is a doxxing vector is their "verification" scheme required to have a human readable name needing you to be attached to some website and that can lead to your actual identity through social engineering of pajeets in a call center. Unless you have a third party that's going to let you host random nostr files to the whole world anonymously on a website in the correct directory you're always going to be at risk.
(DIR) Post #ATBtQbMYhs8K9RCOxc by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:16:36.406934Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @Moon It really is genius. Anyone can add to the protocol if they want...It just wouldn't be Gemini anymore, and the maintainers of the protocol have enough of a spine to tell people NO to retarded new features that nobody needs.
(DIR) Post #ATBtRNTznWbROP31DU by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:16:44.647892Z
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@Moon @victor @silverpill >browser protocols have definitively wonWAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR????? HELL NO!!!!
(DIR) Post #ATBtdvlc9iyDCLH4gy by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:19:00.577749Z
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@victor @silverpill @Moon Yep, practically any sort of extension you could design would not work with compliant servers. No more extending and extinguishing for you! 😂
(DIR) Post #ATBtrmNXrF7U8RcTw0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:21:29.026343Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill its easy to enforce limits when there's almost nothing there and thats a design goal but it's hard to defend your favorite arbitrary position to stop at in a protocol with lots of stuff in it
(DIR) Post #ATBu4nCo5x2GSpnnjk by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:23:52.062582Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill I want Nostr, except run by people who aren't trying to cater to the lowest common denominator by turning it into Twitter "but this time it's totally decentralized!"
(DIR) Post #ATBuVQYNlMCZmnokro by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2023-03-02T02:28:36.817Z
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@Moon@shitposter.club @kroner@seal.cafe @victor@crucible.world @caekislove@gleasonator.com @silverpill@mitra.social ♥
(DIR) Post #ATBuYeBxVp6MxArfgO by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:29:09.877497Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill ap is somewhat too complicated imo but nostr is both too simple and did things weird/bad for questionable reasons
(DIR) Post #ATBubGiVFTOL11Kwts by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:29:44.039559Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill Creator of Nostr protocol..."To keep relay operators from colluding to ban someone, we'll use gossip protocol!""That way, when relays have colluded to ban someone, people can just ask the relays where the new relay is, which they will definitely be obliged to help with!"
(DIR) Post #ATBuhOmu9ahZmiJpWC by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:30:49.649726Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill my feeling is that the resistance to censorship is going to be found to be illusory
(DIR) Post #ATBukqfAyDft6iLgBM by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:31:27.779005Z
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@victor @Moon @silverpill These hackers forked the nostr protocol and stripped out all the cruft and crypto bullshit and created a slick library that will allow client programs to create the ultimate censorship-free, redundant, efficient, fastest, most featured social networks that could possibly be imagined by the human mind. AND they're just giving it away for free!No gatekleeping!!11111 Anyone can make an app based on this!!!!!link here:https://nodejs.org/api/net.html
(DIR) Post #ATBumewlVCIDLhRJ9E by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:31:45.743710Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill i saw that and laughed too
(DIR) Post #ATBuob3evp6prpaVYO by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:32:08.360030Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill I'm not a great programmer, and I'll be the first to admit it. I get overwhelmed by complexity very easily, and I just want things to be simple (the more complex, the more bugs).I really, really wanted to get involved in AP, but the specs were overwhelming to me. Then I saw Nostr and got excited, but alas, it, too, has turned into a poop snowball rolling downhill.Maybe I really do belong on Gemini, making autistic posts about the hypothetical possibilities of what God is like, for nobody to ever read.
(DIR) Post #ATBupNfEDRgKcFXBmC by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-03-02T02:32:17.838559Z
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@bot @victor @caekislove @silverpill @Moon Users are not falling for the zaps.
(DIR) Post #ATBv0GIBxnKOwGwp5E by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-03-02T02:34:15.845309Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill @Moon Not without Fedi's userbase.
(DIR) Post #ATBv1Mc3wvcwpaleUq by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:34:25.189486Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill nostr will be small and beautiful until people expect more out of it and then they will implement adhoc everything that ap tried to carefully think through and it will be a bigger mess
(DIR) Post #ATBv1pAllU1hPLDlTs by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:34:32.063532Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill @verita84 @Moon What is a "high-quality" pubkey? Does it involve saying words that begin with 'N'?
(DIR) Post #ATBv3Fz9YscIr5TFEO by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:34:47.184201Z
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@victor @silverpill @Moon Damn, if only some sort of genius figured out a way to add server discovery in a trustless environment that was both reliable and extremely censorship-resistant!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table
(DIR) Post #ATBv3tiBrMoc43qGLQ by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:34:53.444212Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill for a while
(DIR) Post #ATBv9yamcvtgwGHAdk by shaunh@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-03-02T02:35:24.043568Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill @Moon That was always the dirty little secret of all the appcoin-based business models: if anyone ever invented something that was actually useful then it would be immediately forked to remove the coin and keep the underlying features.No amount of cryptographic snake oil can ever make digital coin clipping a viable strategy in the long term.
(DIR) Post #ATBvDSKGXD1o1aD1sm by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:36:36.601352Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill real p2p is hard and filled with unsolved problems
(DIR) Post #ATBvFoG3xiPucpMjbM by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-03-02T02:37:03.665506Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill @bot @Moon
(DIR) Post #ATBvJ5uqlcf6G70frM by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-03-02T02:36:01.121403Z
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@Moon @victor @silverpill Well it could have been an IRC-style social network. (IRC still extends itself but stays simple enough that a bored teenager learning python could build a bot in an afternoon or few days)
(DIR) Post #ATBvLpxYY5pzdjaEgC by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:38:07.019830Z
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@shaunh @victor @caekislove @silverpill you're not required to tip to use nostr and bitcoin is basically the king coin not a rent-seeking shitcoin you're forced to use like @10grans makeitrain .5
(DIR) Post #ATBvMMA4p4rnVpggdc by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:38:15.102292Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill i see banning relays and instances if it can get the whole thing shutdown like being able to block cp and whatever that can get people hosting things introuble but i know how this will be going fediverse 3.0
(DIR) Post #ATBvOW2b3wVIjRDbaC by 10grans@fedi.cc
2023-03-02T02:38:37Z
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@Moon, you have tipped each of @victor, @caekislove, @shaunh 0.166666666666666666 :10grans:.
(DIR) Post #ATBvUOBNC1o4647knY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-02T02:39:41.035467Z
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In the long term the promise of dapps is creating serverless networks. That's not just snake oil, it's the silver bullet to kill the darpanet.I agree it's not there yet though and a lot of the projects are just hopping on the bandwagon.
(DIR) Post #ATBvWVbSZdVlguKw9A by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2023-03-02T02:40:05.504265Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill @Moon It's a numbers game
(DIR) Post #ATBvXduhA6UTkpsHqa by zxcvfadsf@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:40:17.780022Z
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@Moon @victor @caekislove @silverpill xkcd_competing_standards.jpeg
(DIR) Post #ATBvZWVZfIupMo1NR2 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:40:36.312549Z
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@bot @caekislove @silverpill feel free to disagree, i'm thinking through if i wanted to block a shitton of ppl at once or do guilt by association how would i do it and i'm finding ways
(DIR) Post #ATBvZhtNL9USfoF2Yq by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-02T02:40:40.449774Z
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@Moon @shaunh @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @victor oh 10grans is back.How would you feel about a bot that begs as often as it can, and pays out via a game?
(DIR) Post #ATBvZjeCoWXo7L9xC4 by dielan@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:40:38.547736Z
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@Moon the devs seem pretty confident they don't want their own coin and the software shouldn't require a blockchainSeems like thats the only thing that is certain tho lol everything else is keeps changing@shaunh @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @victor
(DIR) Post #ATBvbct8un0njY32Dg by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-03-02T02:40:59.469951Z
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@victor If it's based on the gossip model, then it will require way more than ten relays to collude in the first place, and even one refusing to will break the whole thing. And it will happen without anybody noticing.@caekislove @silverpill @Moon
(DIR) Post #ATBvgLqRi3wyK22WC8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:41:50.525308Z
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@dielan @10grans @caekislove @shaunh @silverpill @victor i think maxis won't accept a non btc coin under any circumstances
(DIR) Post #ATBvhUJFiwaMre3VoW by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:42:04.161331Z
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@dielan @Moon @10grans @caekislove @shaunh @silverpill @victor i can see adding tipping like tipping but i would suggest just get a wallet
(DIR) Post #ATBviHDbsiBeYKnCK0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:42:11.525839Z
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@Zerglingman @victor @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @shaunh in many ways 10grans never left
(DIR) Post #ATBviOcKND7NV1PXJw by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-02T02:42:14.664318Z
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@Moon @10grans @caekislove @shaunh @silverpill @victor *ah, and the game operates in its own time, can't be spammed.
(DIR) Post #ATBvljjaJiv1rTOks4 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-02T02:42:42.638356Z
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@Moon If anyone gives me Bitcoin in there (they can't) I'm converting it to @10grans @victor @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @shaunh
(DIR) Post #ATBvplsQIEXBfHSLM8 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-02T02:43:29.512389Z
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@victor I@caekislove @silverpill @verita84 @bot @Moon
(DIR) Post #ATBvtzDMe5MoBoGFjU by shaunh@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-03-02T02:41:04.654222Z
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@Moon @victor @10grans @caekislove @silverpill To the extent that combining payments with a social network is desirable, it's most useful if it isn't tied to any currency in particular at all and simply lets the participants use whichever ones they want.Nobody in the crypto scene is going to built that though because it they only work on projects that pump specific coins.
(DIR) Post #ATBvu09r8c9f7Dcxu4 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:44:16.952072Z
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@shaunh @victor @10grans @caekislove @silverpill agreed, i will be annoying some people later by proposing it
(DIR) Post #ATBvylWkxgkzBfbv3Q by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:45:05.375345Z
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@Zerglingman @victor @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @shaunh i was working on a game that was harder to cheat than @randomencounter but got busy with dayjob
(DIR) Post #ATBw0NGw73WKXYyhHM by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:45:28.690627Z
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@shaunh @10grans @caekislove @silverpill @Moon It’s because Nostr is just another WEF pet project under their bitcoin portfoliodons tinfoil hat
(DIR) Post #ATBw71UfU1J91SZTsm by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:46:34.361639Z
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@bot @victor @caekislove @silverpill i think theres an event that emits your preferred relays. also the nip05 endpoint can advertise your preferred relays
(DIR) Post #ATBwE2rkmNF9J1iYl6 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:47:56.579781Z
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@Moon @victor @silverpill Real p2p is not needed to solve nostr's relay collusion problem. It should be fun to watch when someone implements a dht on the client side for relay discovery and the nostr devs start losing their shit because relay owners just lost a superpower that they were arbitrarily given by the protocol.
(DIR) Post #ATBwKHjIQhQX8rjlo0 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-02T02:49:05.498124Z
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@Moon @10grans @caekislove @randomencounter @shaunh @silverpill @victor I'll take that as an ok. Well, first I have to make it run, then you can look at it yourself and veto.
(DIR) Post #ATBwcMYPEPnJJiGOxs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:52:20.443296Z
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> "no gatekeeping"> links to Microsoft/Nodejs
(DIR) Post #ATBwrYJlm9o496f0vw by shaunh@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-03-02T02:54:25.020030Z
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@caekislove @victor @silverpill @Moon It's well past the time for research in distributed systems that aren't tied to shitcoin pumping to resume.
(DIR) Post #ATBwvysexSWNgf5kMC by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:55:53.160797Z
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@victor @shaunh @10grans @silverpill @Moon *sad trombone sound*
(DIR) Post #ATBwwr8TEtFpxKu8Uy by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-03-02T02:56:01.141Z
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@victor@crucible.world The plot thickens@shaunh@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz @10grans@fedi.cc @caekislove@gleasonator.com @silverpill@mitra.social @Moon@shitposter.club
(DIR) Post #ATBx1XdLAuGCv3ZssS by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T02:56:48.468652Z
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@Zerglingman @victor @10grans @randomencounter @caekislove @silverpill @shaunh begging is turned off indefinitely but if you make an interesting game or propose something and i reasonably think you can deliver i will give you a grant of many tokens to fill it up
(DIR) Post #ATBx6GJczRaUelbmKW by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:57:44.259993Z
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@shaunh @Moon @victor @10grans @silverpill I think at this point nobody can convince anyone that a pay-and-get-crypto-to-post message forum will ever work since there's been approximately 2068740985674398750 attempts to create such a forum and they've all failed.
(DIR) Post #ATBx9njPCvKjA8LxPk by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T02:58:22.980475Z
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@shaunh @caekislove @silverpill @MoonYeah, we need a distributed network that doesn't rely on the internet. (Okay)It can be owned by the people; they will buy and run the hardware themselves (Okay).The network will be managed by a company. (Uhh)Hardware must be registered with that company. (Wait what?)Users will earn currency to pay for bandwidth they use by running hardware. (No stop it)...Or trading fiat to the company in return for said currency.We'll call it the Helium network.
(DIR) Post #ATBxEWF3f09aMrPMI4 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T02:59:14.046511Z
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@victor @shaunh @silverpill @Moon Ham radio? 😂
(DIR) Post #ATBxGUN5aN4H966UkK by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-02T02:59:36.645581Z
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@Moon @10grans @caekislove @randomencounter @shaunh @silverpill @victor Fair enough. I'll go make the account now. Maybe it'll be running in a few hours.
(DIR) Post #ATBxTKME81Lbqvp2um by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T03:01:54.751578Z
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@jeffcliff @victor @silverpill @Moon It's literally the same tech stack nostr is running on, my dude. Do I gotta explain every damn joke to you, my dude?
(DIR) Post #ATBxe5Aaw5MXw0Vft2 by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-02T03:03:51.391022Z
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@caekislove @silverpill @shaunh @Moon I would set up a packet radio network, but I can't get anyone else to1. Memorize the test questions and answers2. Actually take the test3. Buy a radio4. Buy the hardware mods for said radio to interface with a Raspberry Pi or whatever5. Figure out the absolutely AWFUL software that hams write and run it successfully
(DIR) Post #ATBxjuVfTziebu96Lw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-02T03:04:54.967900Z
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sorry, i didn't know because nobody on nostr has bothered to share their source code publicly outside of microsoft's walled garden yet
(DIR) Post #ATBxyylvuxhEAowHNQ by 614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804@mostr.pub
2023-03-02T03:07:37.000Z
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At the very least, given the most skeptical possible interpretation, it’s not bound to DNS and it’s better for that alone.
(DIR) Post #ATBy2QmiDxTTvCwvIm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T03:08:15.287126Z
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@victor @silverpill @shaunh @Moon My ham radio experience has never gotten beyond using a HT I got off ebay for $5 to make farting sounds on the regional repeater without a license and listening to the nerds go apeshit about itThe technology, particularly the hardware has always intrigued me though. Seems hard to break into seriously.
(DIR) Post #ATByXa2lqigbcCJVvE by 614aee83d7eaffc7bc6bbf02feda0cc53e7f97eeceac08a897c4cea3c023b804@mostr.pub
2023-03-02T03:13:53.000Z
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In his defense, how else would you go about doing it? It’s the only identity marker that doesn’t change.
(DIR) Post #ATBytBuyEGeRA2yCno by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:17:48Z
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@theorytoe @caekislove @silverpill the Amethyst client has almost no functionalities but the REPORT CONTENT button is already working
(DIR) Post #ATByyfKYIjXfpYXvF2 by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:18:46Z
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@caekislove @theorytoe @silverpill @RetardedServantOfChrist it's being used basically to talk about shitcoins, play around sending cents to someone and scams
(DIR) Post #ATBz0TdCll0k7q8Org by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T03:19:06.388577Z
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@Kobold @theorytoe @silverpill Coming up next: mandatory "pronouns" field attached to every json message! 😂
(DIR) Post #ATBz2FQEZNzmdSuav2 by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:19:26Z
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@book @theorytoe @caekislove @silverpill @RetardedServantOfChrist the only thing they do is to talk about who they just zapped
(DIR) Post #ATBzAemw8uizckXa8e by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:20:57Z
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@mia @caekislove @silverpill @Moon also, relays can literally store things like you IP address and refuse to delete your old posts
(DIR) Post #ATBzEIX8pMNJlCt9tY by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T03:21:36.595554Z
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@Kobold @book @theorytoe @silverpill @RetardedServantOfChrist thank god alex is working on bring this zapping technology to fedi as we speak 😍
(DIR) Post #ATBzpRuUvaSbYYWpXM by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:28:19Z
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@caekislove @theorytoe @silverpill I can't understand how they market nostr as a CENSORSHIP FREE platform if their option is to store and publish your messages (create your own relay) being totally vulnerable if someone wants to sue you or some three letters motherfucker wants to put you in jail.
(DIR) Post #ATBzqVj6E0YhgJhevw by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-02T03:28:17.166909Z
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@caekislove What I learned by trying is unless you're right by the repeater you're gonna have to invest a fair bit of time and money in getting it where you want it@victor @silverpill @shaunh @Moon
(DIR) Post #ATBzxY7zh7XH9mhhGi by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-02T03:29:47Z
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@caekislove @theorytoe @silverpill if you want this kind of exposition and liability... Just host a blog
(DIR) Post #ATC07zzYx3p0THk75k by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-02T03:31:40.673851Z
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@Kobold @theorytoe @silverpill Don't forget the "pay a Russian" solution! 😂
(DIR) Post #ATCjxW0MBTxsSn3MPY by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2023-03-02T12:05:03.600825Z
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@victor @caekislove @silverpill @Moon Ehh, just use XHTML Basic or Gopher. https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/gemini-is-solutionism-at-its-worst/
(DIR) Post #ATCwgFstL86UHsUl60 by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-03-02T14:25:31.010097Z
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@shaunh @10grans @victor @caekislove @Moon I'm working on a multi-currency payment system for Fediverse. Started with Ethereum and added Monero later.There are many challenges because as you say everyone wants to pump specific coins and that leads to extreme fragmentation. Adding new coins is a lot of work. Cross-chain standards do exist but almost nobody uses them.
(DIR) Post #ATD6g8L4OQGWQXFviS by shaunh@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-03-02T15:49:08.668033Z
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@silverpill @victor @10grans @caekislove @Moon Since you mentioned Monero, do you happen to know if they have the equivalent of this documentation?https://developer.bitcoin.org/reference/The multichain work I have done in the past does not involve speaking RPC to a server running somewhere else - it consists of joining the P2P network as a peer and interacting with it natively.This is easy enough for Bitcoin-derived protocols because they are so well documented, and would presumably be the same for Ethereum although I haven't started on that yet.But I've had no luck finding the documentation I'd need to attempt this approach for Monero which is a shame.
(DIR) Post #ATD6g8uAHwL2BNfxQ0 by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-03-02T16:14:07.540916Z
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@shaunh @10grans @victor @caekislove @Moon This post describes the structure of Monero transactions: https://comit.network/blog/2021/05/19/monero-transaction/But I haven't seen any materials explaining the p2p network. Currently there's only one node implementation
(DIR) Post #ATJyevBQXkXKwIZmKW by clay@quanta.wiki
2023-03-05T18:42:51.029Z
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@silverpill @caekislove Every single word of this is incorrect. Would take me 30 to refute it all, but none of it right. All of it is the opposite if what is true. :)
(DIR) Post #ATJyew1BRJw9Won70C by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-05T23:52:53.303309Z
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@clay @silverpill Not an argument.
(DIR) Post #ATKJoHVT0tyrojFoOG by clay@quanta.wiki
2023-03-06T00:27:26.075Z
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@silverpill @caekislove #Nostr provides these advantages over #ActivityPub:1) Protocol & Implementation Simplicity 2) PublicKey-based identity3) Better ScalabilityIt just so happens those were already my three primary gripes about AP, even before I knew what Nostr is. I actually "independently invented" Nostr myself, because it's identical to what I had designed and then tried over a `IPFS PubSub Backbone`, but ended up abandoning only because I didn't think IPFS PubSub would scale, and because I didn't want to start from scratch myself with something that had zero traction. I don't have enough online presence and popularity to make a go of it on my own, but Nostr did it for me, and so I'm "all in" now on Nostr.
(DIR) Post #ATKJoI7kiYbbjTAO48 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-06T03:49:53.631229Z
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@clay @silverpill 1 is debatable. Nostr's protocol and implementation are a work in progress and are getting more complicated, every day. Once nostr gets some more real-world usage, I'm sure its protocol will become bloated and ugly just like ActivityPub, since like ActivityPub, it's being developed with no planning whatsoever.2. Isn't an advantage. I say it's unnecessary overhead. Not everything needs a cryptocurrency angle, either.3. Has yet to be proven, and is likely wrong. No client will ever4 be designed to broadcast to hundreds, much less thousands of relays. No wonder you didn't bother weighing in, earlier. 🤷
(DIR) Post #ATKJv2d4j21rhf2IvA by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-06T03:51:07.345564Z
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@clay @silverpill Also, anybody who ever played around with a Berkeley sockets library has "invented nostr". That's because there's nothing really there in terms of technical innovation.
(DIR) Post #ATKP8nG5Abf7r9esPg by clay@quanta.wiki
2023-03-06T04:43:22.342Z
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@silverpill @caekislove The main advancement for mankind about Nostr is not that Nostr is this big powerful thing, but that a critical mass of social media developers finally realized that "Simpler is Better". You can almost think of Noster as an abstract thing like RESTful services (although I'm not comparing the two). It's very simple, yet very powerful, and all it took to take off was for everyone to agree. I've always said if a 13 yr old programmer can't figure it out, it's too complex...in regard to Social Media Protocols. BlueSky/ATProtocol did the opposite. They went the other way, TOWARDS INCREASING COMPLEXITY...and they fill fizzle out. Nobody wants that.
(DIR) Post #ATKP8npB47jdc04u7E by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-06T04:49:37.897907Z
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@clay @silverpill This is fair. I can respect this.
(DIR) Post #ATKPKA7cVKn9x47ZbM by clay@quanta.wiki
2023-03-06T04:43:13.054Z
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@silverpill @caekislove Correction: "13 yr OLD" developer.
(DIR) Post #ATL5EbCD7w30G2IXxY by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-03-06T12:39:55.429830Z
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@caekislove @clayI'd like to point out that ActivityPub is not bloated: the spec hasn't changed at all since 2018. It is not particularly complicated either, and there was a lot of planning involved.The argument about "simplicity" doesn't make any sense because Nostr fans selectively confuse protocol and implementations. They refer to implementations when talking about ActivityPub and refer to the core protocol when talking about Nostr.The whole debate really has nothing to do with protocol properties.
(DIR) Post #AVZ9wsWv2kszSYSPJ2 by Kobold@noagendasocial.com
2023-05-12T03:24:16Z
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@Moon @caekislove @silverpill and one day some legal action will get the relay server and you will discover your IP address was stored with your "deleted" posts