Post ATJmcuVisH32p9LNwG by LexTenebris@lbry.world
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(DIR) Post #ATJfpqkHU8xtERNOD2 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T19:38:52Z
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Don't like strangers busting into your mentions to give unsolicited opinions?This could be solved if the Fediverse had better comment controls. You should be able to make a read-only post if you want. And you should be able to make a public post that's only writeable to followers. You should also be able to lock a thread if it becomes a vector for abuse.
(DIR) Post #ATJfprK5L1bZ1U7z16 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T19:45:30Z
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"Just make locked posts" is the worst response to this because that so-called "solution" basically tells people to reduce their visibility. Many people don't want their visibility to be reduced. However, they want a reduction in harassment.
(DIR) Post #ATJfprnrYJQMVq3lQm by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T19:50:23Z
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In fact, much of the "I don't want search to exist" crowd exists due to lack of comment control.People don't want to be found on search because they can't control the potential replies that might occur through a search vector. I know this because plenty of the anti-search crowd wants public visibility -- but they don't want harassment.
(DIR) Post #ATJfpsQVEeKgRg8ceu by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:06:45Z
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No, a public post doesn't mean "talk to me".Public means "publicly visible".It's about being *read*.Reading is different from writing.Just as there's different settings for visibility, there should be different settings for replying.
(DIR) Post #ATJfpt6gho4oYVsJPc by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:21:57Z
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@atomicpoet If you want to speak and not hear replies, you have a private bathroom for that.March into the public square and nail up your thesis, someone can walk up right behind you and do the same.
(DIR) Post #ATJfpuAyjL6Rs6tFjs by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:13:31Z
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On Mastodon, there's different visibility settings. They are:* Public* Unlisted* Follower-only* Mentioned people onlyI think you could largely apply this to reply settings as well. Except, reply settings could be:* Public* Local-only* Follower-only* Mentioned people onlyIf there were a way to prevent comments through search results, that would be good too.
(DIR) Post #ATJgLLmG9vzCS8K2wC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:27:38Z
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@LexTenebris You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to association.You're certainly not entitled to harass.If I can block, I should also be able to deny write access.
(DIR) Post #ATJgvEbYIwTedFQPei by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:34:01Z
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@atomicpoet Your assumption of power is silly.It's your choice to control whether you have to see or deal with me. But it's not your choice whether a third party cam see or deal with me.Now you can make the argument that systems should have an orthogonal mechanism to define opt-in block-lists for the easily melted snowflakes to build their echo-chambers, that's a debatable position.I'm literally entitled to harass, however, since the word has degenerated to mean "saying anything I don't like about me." I'm entitled to associate with those who choose to associate with me, whatever you think. Don't like it? Block exists. One could argue even that is too much assumptive power for folks to have over what a third-party can choose for themselves absent the ability to repost-and-comment on.Basically, you're arguing that the public square should have private carve-outs. But that'd definitely not be Mastodon as intended or designed.
(DIR) Post #ATJh424SH4QUMi8gs4 by JoYo@hackers.town
2023-03-05T20:35:41Z
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@LexTenebris @atomicpoet it's worse than a blog. it's advertising, plain and simple.
(DIR) Post #ATJhQQhRNyKv7Z3QLA by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:39:47Z
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@JoYo @atomicpoet Spewing content into the digital ocean without even a return address is worse than advertising, which at least intends some kind of response.It's pollution.
(DIR) Post #ATJhWo6bHCADRyratc by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:40:54Z
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@LexTenebris No, you're not entitled to harass.And yes, I'm arguing that I should be able to shut the door on a harasser's face if I don't want to be bothered by them.
(DIR) Post #ATJhacruzqEzl4oiPo by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:41:39Z
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@atomicpoet You can. It's called Block.I time travelled back and built it just for you.You're welcome.
(DIR) Post #ATJhe8Qq6M70WDpATQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:42:14Z
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@LexTenebris Works great if I know who to block. If I don't know who to block, comment control is even better đ
(DIR) Post #ATJhm0tQ10vxSAwsls by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:43:41Z
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@atomicpoet If you don't know who to Block, how are you making an assessment in the first place?Prescience? What someone else tells you? Race?How do you expect to assert control using a metric that's wholly imaginary?
(DIR) Post #ATJiOop0pT0pJFOKwK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:50:40Z
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@LexTenebris That's the point. You don't know who will show up -- so it's pre-emptive. There doesn't need to be a metric.It should entirely be the OP's prerogative on whether or not they want to use the feature.It's their business not yours.
(DIR) Post #ATJiTLKZu2dJIEJV0y by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:23:42Z
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It's funny. Regarding potential comment control on the Fediverse, people who are "pro" and "con" tend to be divided along gender lines.Dudes tend to not want comment control đ¤ But there's a lot of women who very much want this feature. Many of them are DMing me privately to express support -- and that should tell you everything.
(DIR) Post #ATJidDm2r2FAkds4nI by meso@asbestos.cafe
2023-03-05T20:53:18.797890Z
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@atomicpoet cc @Kittystryker
(DIR) Post #ATJilI7cZYasYLoMqG by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T20:54:46Z
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@atomicpoet So -- turn off comments altogether?If so, why do you get to decide who can assemble with _me?_ Weren't you just objecting to an offense to your rights of free assembly?Your position is currently deeply hypocritical. I'm giving you the chance to rectify that.
(DIR) Post #ATJjBmV8FJ32IlRKSG by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:59:30Z
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@LexTenebris "A chance to rectify this..."Who are you? The mob?The only reason I've tolerated you is because your replies are embarrassing, and you keep digging yourself in a hole further.This threat just shows your true colours and what you're all about: trying to assert power.Thanks for demonstrating to everyone how terrible reply guys are on Mastodon, and why the door should be shut on your face.
(DIR) Post #ATJjlLK2m1LoQuD6no by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-05T21:05:36.074424Z
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@atomicpoet never going to happen. Other instances can just ignore your âcomment controlâ and still spam relies. Welcome to the beautiful world of federated media.
(DIR) Post #ATJjsQAf91h1UwCJd2 by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-05T21:06:03.590342Z
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@atomicpoet never going to happen. Other instances can just ignore your âcomment controlâ and still spam replies. Welcome to the beautiful world of federated media.
(DIR) Post #ATJkFdnkdIzMQsYLq4 by Maholmire@stereophonic.space
2023-03-05T21:11:26.748797Z
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That worked out well for Reddit. Sure didn't become a cancerous hivemind which promoted further abuse by downvoting comments to reduce the visibility of those that aren't following the status quo.
(DIR) Post #ATJkVpYYhDOZWVAOY4 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T20:52:03Z
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This entire thread is literally reply guys who are sad about a possibility that they might not be able to reply đ
(DIR) Post #ATJkVq94VSbPLkFYSe by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T21:13:14Z
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But seriously, the reply guy problem on Mastodon is embarrassing.And it really puts a dent in the whole argument that Mastodon has got rid of social media toxicity.Of course, that's not true. People have been complaining about reply guys for years. It's becoming so bad that "Well, akshually..." has become a Mastodon stereotype.This is why it's better to have more moderation tools, not less.
(DIR) Post #ATJmW0NQfK6UzUAiae by video_manager@mstdn.social
2023-03-05T21:36:44Z
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@LexTenebris "Spewing into the digital Ocean"? You had to *choose* to get his posts in your feed. Don't blame the dairy when you *choose* to drink spoiled milk.
(DIR) Post #ATJmcuVisH32p9LNwG by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T21:38:05Z
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@video_manager [looks at Federated, looks back at you, looks back at Federated]Come again?I had to choose to go down to the beach today but that doesn't make an oil spill less polluting.
(DIR) Post #ATJmm7gRGdtkHjkVPs by video_manager@mstdn.social
2023-03-05T21:39:43Z
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@LexTenebris "Look Mommy!! Look Look!! I saw a thing to take offense about!! Look look Mommy!! It's all about me!! It's a tiny spot in the vast ocean, but Look Look!! I made it all about me Mommy!!"
(DIR) Post #ATJmwctO5Y4JyPoXTs by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T21:41:38Z
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@video_manager I think you might have reversed the roles in this discussion, not the least typified by the fact he's currently blocked ME and not vice versa.Fucks were not given by me. He was trying to justify putting shit out there with no ability to respond. Like I'm generously allowing you to because you are in the ocean and stumbled over my shit.Give it a re-read. Try another run at it.
(DIR) Post #ATJnZM3KdDeh2Xvsp6 by video_manager@mstdn.social
2023-03-05T21:48:36Z
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@LexTenebris Hella lotta effort for "fucks not given". Ain't nobody buyin' it, lookie-me-boy.
(DIR) Post #ATJp3yAHb10lstLVqa by gunchleoc@mastodon.scot
2023-03-05T22:02:28Z
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@atomicpoet @LexTenebris I think a comment control feature would also come in handy when you get targeted by a shitstorm, which is basically a DDOS on your time when you have to take care of blocking and reporting everybody manually. The only other choice left in these situations at the moment is to completely lock down your account to followers only until the thing dies down.
(DIR) Post #ATJp3yjjTDMrepvp6O by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T22:05:21Z
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@gunchleoc @atomicpoet What do you think of legitimately invoked shitstorms? That is, you said something VERY stupid in public and are seeing the repercussions thereof?Do you then support the same kind of activity to withdraw from the battle you invoked? I think there's a legitimate use somewhere in what you're saying bit it has to involve the situation I describe as well.Maybe just the ability to turn off your own personal notifications at a thread level suffices.
(DIR) Post #ATJp7RlbzbcWYvSrNg by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T21:30:32Z
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This reply guy thinks he's "literally entitled to harass".No, he's not.
(DIR) Post #ATJp7SQNY2EKbMXPvM by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T22:03:38Z
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A few fellows are telling me that they don't appreciate the term "reply guys" due to this being needless genderization of the actual problem.But this ignores that harassment is a problem that disproportionately affects women online.And I don't want to ignore or diminish that problem.
(DIR) Post #ATJpWzQ60bawAta2l6 by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2023-03-05T22:10:07Z
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@atomicpoet This actually brings up my only reservation with comment controls, which is that it might lead to more DM abuse.
(DIR) Post #ATJqOJOeSyo5TmKZUm by gunchleoc@mastodon.scot
2023-03-05T22:20:13Z
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@LexTenebris @atomicpoet There is no such thing as a legitimate shitstorm. A shitstorm won't change anybody's mind about anything, it will only get people to double-down in their trenches.If you disagree with something, have a polite discussion instead.If the person you disagree with is abusive/racist etc, report and block.
(DIR) Post #ATJqf8llEQ1ZRUAFou by LexTenebris@lbry.world
2023-03-05T22:23:17Z
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@gunchleoc @atomicpoet Just because you believe that doesn't make it globally true.Are you arguing that the entirety of "actions have consequences" as it has been applied in social media spaces for the last five years is actually not true? I would be open to that discussion. Legitimately.The difference between "polite discussion" and "shitstorm" in the minds of many people on Mastodon is whether or not they agree with the topic.If 500 people want to have a "polite discussion" at once, is that a shitstorm? Because by the implicit terms of the earlier discussion, it absolutely is.This is the core problem with trying to impose mechanisms which affect the experience of anyone but yourself. Which was, I point out, the whole idea behind the original concept that spurred this discussion.
(DIR) Post #ATJrSUxFXHPeRF4dYu by GertyBz@mastodon.art
2023-03-05T22:32:10Z
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@OpenComputeDesign @atomicpoet The DM abuse will happen regardless, sadly. :/
(DIR) Post #ATJrXHNNRqBrlzZgNk by gunchleoc@mastodon.scot
2023-03-05T22:33:04Z
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@LexTenebris @atomicpoet I don't know how others define it, but there is a difference. There might of course be borderline cases, but in general it should be pretty easy to spot - in a shitstorm, people usually start calling you names or being snarky etc.And BTW making a post followers-only already affects the experience of people other than yourself, because it can't be boosted.If you block a harasser off your profile, that will also affect their experience.
(DIR) Post #ATJsoW5A7jq4GDq0aO by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-03-05T22:41:05Z
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@atomicpoet Read only posts aren't social media, they're entitled bully pulpits.Nothing says "social" like a closed discourse!If you don't want engagement, then you don't want social media, you want a website, or a newsletter. Social media is for engagement. I mean literally the core problem of Twitter is that you have influencers dumping into the commons and not actually engaging.Why do you want to bring that same ivory tower energy here?
(DIR) Post #ATJsoWebzwCA2AQJqC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-05T22:46:39Z
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@ssfckdt There are levels to social media. Just as there are controls for viability, there should also be controls for comments. And yeah, websites and newsletters should be federated through ActivityPub. Thereâs nothing in the protocol that says that shouldnât happen. Again, nobodyâs entitled to an audience đ
(DIR) Post #ATJtIQtFzZWYqTXC4G by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2023-03-05T22:52:48Z
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@GertyBz @atomicpoet Yes, I'm afraid you're right. :(
(DIR) Post #ATK78L3IF47TCXJGKm by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T01:27:25.264925Z
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@lispi314 @atomicpoet won't work. For example, a bunch of people from poa.st or FSE can jump into replies of this post and you won't see them, because mastodon.social blocks poa.st. But I will (if I unblock them lol).Anyhow, there is no single source of truth. And there is no way for your instance to control what post people from other instances can reply to. They can even reply to non-existent posts.
(DIR) Post #ATK7zECCSqZJHhhAxM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-03-06T01:37:12Z
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@atomicpoetyes, and I'd want to be able to mute posts that don't allow comments.
(DIR) Post #ATKA0J2m7numWBveQi by joey@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T01:51:39.123448Z
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@newt @lispi314 @atomicpoet What's so bad if somebody replies to somebody else's status? Isn't that the point of these platforms?.. i.e interaction?
(DIR) Post #ATKA0JehqmFwPpfwYK by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T01:59:43.272527Z
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@joey @lispi314 @atomicpoet some people want twitter experience :akkoshrug: Perchance, they ought to go back to twitter. Or simply stop federating. This is the only way to achieve what they want.
(DIR) Post #ATKArCpjwePGbb3YUS by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T02:09:13.314548Z
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@lispi314 @atomicpoet again, this isnât how federated media works and most instances will probably ignore this and gather replies from wherever. Because with the exception of a bunch of control freaks from twitter, nobody really wants this feature anyway.
(DIR) Post #ATKBPaFzMcbd66j6lE by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T02:15:29.514051Z
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@lispi314 @atomicpoet so, what you propose is that a client should connect not only to a userâs instance, but also to the one that a post originates from. I can imagine this leading to sooooo muuuuuch abuse.
(DIR) Post #ATKEkJxPSbyYUMcGO0 by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T02:51:13.533610Z
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@lispi314 @atomicpoet sooo.. if my instance strips no-reply tags, what then?
(DIR) Post #ATKFO4fDjx5Odm42lM by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-03-06T02:59:52.464555Z
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@lispi314 @atomicpoet this is already supported. You can mute threads and avoid seeing replies to any post of your choice. No need to implement anything.
(DIR) Post #ATKw2q7AvzWTStGEGu by Kittystryker@freeradical.zone
2023-03-06T08:13:46Z
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@meso babe I don't know who you are nor do I care
(DIR) Post #ATKxIYwUeFLMnGKFAO by grillchen@brotka.st
2023-03-06T11:12:22.728909Z
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@atomicpoet how would this work with software not supporting posts without the ability to reply?
(DIR) Post #ATNX1Arcu4vXrHycs4 by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-03-07T17:02:00Z
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@atomicpoet can we propose these features on the official GitHub, or somewhere like that?